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Delta Iddon wrote:

olssam 62 wrote:

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Traky78 wrote:

Hum...

We just give some life to your EU tournament, with everytime a full 16 of What The French, real What The French. Some of players couldn't register on Urgent fury, some were in holidays, some haven't PC...

So yes we broke those ****** rule but how many EU corps can actually put 16 players every two days ? I mean real corp, not corp created to win the tournament ( yes No Free Pass i see you ), so CCP you are actually allowing players to create a corp just for a tournament and those same players just come in this CORP the day of the battle.

So CCP for your next tournament, i 'll take the best EU players and they 'll jump in my corp the day of the battle. Is there any rules to avoid jump corp ? This is an issue CCP need to be warned for the next tournament. Yes the next ... We all know this one were a test.

A lot of corps broke this absurd rule since the begening of your tourney.

Dear CCP, just admit this rule was bull***** and let people from the CORP since more 2 weeks participate.

I apologize to everybody for the inconvenience, personnally GAC. But we just wanted to give you all good fights.

Bare in mind that the only reason most of the NFP's members are in NFP is because they didn't have the numbers to do a 16v16 format after UF changed it from 8v8 to 16v16, hell i initially joined NFP as one of the backbench to make the numbers up to allow NFP to compete, i didn't plan on being one of the main players

Our random selection of people still managed to make up at least 12-16 members every match night, so it is not just you that was "bringing life to the tourney"

another thing to note is that CCP did not control this tourney, the rules provided are from urgent fury, the (apparent) hosts

You broke the rules that other corps have followed to the T, it doesn't matter how stupid you think a rule is, you cant just break it and think you are innocent on the basis that "the rule is dumb"

I'm glad you admitted to breaking the rules instead of trying to cover it up, not many teams would do that, but to then be proud of it and try to justify it by your opinions of the rules AND by claiming that your corp is the reason the tourney is running is pretty astonishing.

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Heavy Breaks Red Star. EoN. 254	Posted - 2013.09.13 00:24:00 - [211] - Quote If you leave me now you take away the biggest part of me.... Oooooooohhhhhh Jay please don't go.
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1161	Posted - 2013.09.13 00:24:00 - [212] - Quote glad CCP is doing something about cheaters, NFP did nothing wrong and WTF brought ringers which is a pretty clear rule violation. now if only they'd do something about ariana glitching for AE in tourney, that'd be nice.
RevoItZ Red Star. EoN. 253	Posted - 2013.09.13 00:28:00 - [213] - Quote Heavy Breaks wrote: If you leave me now you take away the biggest part of me.... Oooooooohhhhhh Jay please don't go. You best log on if we get a second chance Breaks! (You're probably laughing since this is coming from a guy who didn't turn up Monday)
Traky78 What The French CRONOS. 293	Posted - 2013.09.13 00:30:00 - [214] - Quote Lol policemen everywhere !!
Traky78 What The French CRONOS. 293	Posted - 2013.09.13 00:33:00 - [215] - Quote RevoItZ wrote: I hope we get back in. I don't want to see WTF disqualified, I want a rematch and them to witness the full fury of NFP! RevoltZ will beat WTF one more time before he leaves Dust for good Come at me <3
Delta Iddon No Free Pass 95	Posted - 2013.09.13 00:33:00 - [216] - Quote Traky78 wrote: Lol policemen everywhere !! What did you expect? Teams are only permitted to play in tournaments in a manner bound by the rulesets, you agreed to them when you signed up
Ananda Yhufir Contract Hunters 6	Posted - 2013.09.13 00:44:00 - [217] - Quote Traky78 wrote: Hum... ...So yes we broke those **** rule but how many EU corps can actually put 16 players every two days? ... ...A lot of corps broke this absurd rule since the begening of your tourney. ... ...Dear CCP, just admit this rule was bull*** and let people from the CORP since more 2 weeks participate. ... I'm not part of the EU tourney so maybe I'm waaay off but this doesn't seem like a legitimate excuse. As far as I'm concerned there are 2 issues at hand here: 1) If your team could not muster the necessary forces to fight in the scheduled tournament then you shouldn't be entering the tournament. This is equivalent to saying something like, "We should be allowed to enter the Olympics even though we didn't qualify because it's not fair that some people get in and other people don't." Sometimes things are just "unfair" but we ALL (as a society/community) are keeping things "fair" by setting up rules to try and create a balanced playing field, so to speak. If your team cannot commit to the tournament the way it was set up then guess what? You don't belong in the tournament. I would prefer to have a lot of teams in the tournament because it's more fun the more people that participate. But the rules are designed to help the tournament stay organized and this rule in particular (despite your feelings of it being BS) is a reasonable rule. 2) As far as I know (feel free to correct me if you know otherwise - although I don't think it matters) was implemented, like all the rules, by UrgentFury. I don't know how much of a hand CCP had in creating the tournament (again I don't think it matters) but I think your aggression towards CCP - who has done a wonderful and nearly thankless job of giving us this opportunity - is misplaced. I don't know what the penalties are or should be for this conduct. My understanding of the rules was that this was grounds for disqualification/forfeiture. I would definitely support CCP/UF for following through with this penalty, even though the EU tourney has only 10 teams, because INTENTIONALLY and KNOWINGLY breaking a rule should not be tolerated even if you and everyone on your team (registered or not) think it's not worth following. Other teams did follow the rules and did not suffer because of them. I have a life and I understand that it can be difficult to work in a tournament of this size. Would you think it's fair for me to ask everyone else in NA to reschedule their lives around mine because I couldn't attend? No, of course not. And just because it was more than one person doesn't mean that makes it more reasonable. I don't even believe that the majority of teams broke this rule. And even if it was the majority that doesn't make it more fair. I'm not the type of person to follow rules blindly but I and most other people reading this, I'm sure, are willing to follow rules that we all agreed to when entering this tournament so we could maximize our enjoyment. When one person or one team or 50 people or 5 teams break a rule it makes it less fun for everyone. Don't hide behind rationalizations like "everyone is doing it." It makes you look like a fool and unworthy of any status you could gain from performing well. I have no personal problem with you or anyone on your team. But look at the chaos and problems you've caused as a result. Do you think anyone else wants to deal with this? This is exactly why we follow the rules and play nice.
olssam 62 What The French CRONOS. 57	Posted - 2013.09.13 00:45:00 - [218] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: glad CCP is doing something about cheaters, NFP did nothing wrong and WTF brought ringers which is a pretty clear rule violation. now if only they'd do something about ariana glitching for AE in tourney, that'd be nice.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4235	Posted - 2013.09.13 00:47:00 - [219] - Quote typical WTF crying again team that actually uses ringers saying NFP using ringers smh
Ananda Yhufir Contract Hunters 7	Posted - 2013.09.13 00:54:00 - [220] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Ananda Yhufir wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: ...(maybe turn it into an impromptu LAV race?). ... Are you watching our games??? lol We didnt do this during a tourney game but we did totally have an LAV race in a practice game vs SAC. so fun! You should record this and post it to Youtube I think this is in the works - but unfortunately it was recorded from the perspective of one of the racers so it's not clear who won (me)

olssam 62 What The French CRONOS. 57	Posted - 2013.09.13 01:07:00 - [221] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: typical WTF crying again team that actually uses ringers saying NFP using ringers smh really ? WTF call ringers vs NFP ? that ? THESE ARE WTF guys ok ? WTF did not need ringers perforce to win a game right ? and the show on the tournament 16 WHAT THE FRENCH GUYS stop qq please sorry for my english
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4238	Posted - 2013.09.13 02:07:00 - [222] - Quote olssam 62 wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: typical WTF crying again team that actually uses ringers saying NFP using ringers smh really ? WTF call ringers vs NFP ? that ? THESE ARE WTF guys ok ? WTF did not need ringers perforce to win a game right ? and the show on the tournament 16 WHAT THE FRENCH GUYS stop qq please sorry for my english umm pretty sure only ppl QQing are WTF, u guys always QQ when u lose or things dont go ur way its routine now. i know english isnt ur 1st language but u did use ringers. Using ppl that arent allowed to play = ringers maybe instead of trying to cheat ur way to a win u should of only fielded who actually signed up like everyone else. if ur short then play with players short like everyone else. No excuse for cheating.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 75	Posted - 2013.09.13 02:18:00 - [223] - Quote Delta Iddon wrote: olssam 62 wrote: look Traky78 wrote: Hum... We just give some life to your EU tournament, with everytime a full 16 of What The French, real What The French. Some of players couldn't register on Urgent fury, some were in holidays, some haven't PC... So yes we broke those **** rule but how many EU corps can actually put 16 players every two days ? I mean real corp, not corp created to win the tournament ( yes No Free Pass i see you ), so CCP you are actually allowing players to create a corp just for a tournament and those same players just come in this CORP the day of the battle. So CCP for your next tournament, i 'll take the best EU players and they 'll jump in my corp the day of the battle. Is there any rules to avoid jump corp ? This is an issue CCP need to be warned for the next tournament. Yes the next ... We all know this one were a test. A lot of corps broke this absurd rule since the begening of your tourney. Dear CCP, just admit this rule was bull* and let people from the CORP since more 2 weeks participate. I apologize to everybody for the inconvenience, personnally GAC. But we just wanted to give you all good fights. Bare in mind that the only reason most of the NFP's members are in NFP is because they didn't have the numbers to do a 16v16 format after UF changed it from 8v8 to 16v16, hell i initially joined NFP as one of the backbench to make the numbers up to allow NFP to compete, i didn't plan on being one of the main players Our random selection of people still managed to make up at least 12-16 members every match night, so it is not just you that was "bringing life to the tourney" another thing to note is that CCP did not control this tourney, the rules provided are from urgent fury, the (apparent) hosts You broke the rules that other corps have followed to the T, it doesn't matter how stupid you think a rule is, you cant just break it and think you are innocent on the basis that "the rule is dumb" I'm glad you admitted to breaking the rules instead of trying to cover it up, not many teams would do that, but to then be proud of it and try to justify it by your opinions of the rules AND by claiming that your corp is the reason the tourney is running is pretty astonishing. The rules on players having to register on UF to participate are stupid beyond belief. Add on the change on format as well as the change in numbers allowed to register without proper communication and you end up with an extremely frustrating situation. We have followed these ** rules to the tea and would expect that from everyone (although we have seen members that did not seem registered in the fights we were able to make). Hence why you have seen anywhere from 3-14 members of our 19 that were able to register participating. In the future it's a simple fix. CEO registers corp for tournament and all members that participate in any battle must have belonged to the corp before the tournament starts (and still belong to it!). We would have much better 16 on 16 matches then in every battle and the results would be a much better representation of a corps abilities.
Ascifi Ogrop SyNergy Gaming EoN. 38	Posted - 2013.09.13 05:40:00 - [224] - Quote To make it easier for people to avoid problems in the future, I think it should be CEO registers and lists the names that will participate, there should be a cut off date so it cannot be edited daily to allow ringers, I personally had no problem with having to register on UF took me a few minutes, this sort of thing was the norm for when I played competitive games like cs etc, as people have said if you're going to sign up abide by the rules or face the consequences.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1928	Posted - 2013.09.13 07:32:00 - [225] - Quote Okay my turn now. I'm so amazed by the self righteous reaction i see both here and on twitter... Oh the rules, THE RULES. Incredible how we hear about them only when some loses. To clarify one thing. Some called us cheaters. Like we intentionally decided to wrong the game. Thing is we played with..... Drums Rolling.... WTFR players. Yes some werent registeredon Urgent **IN Fury, me included. But to me that's not the point. The point is. Do you, the players we fought and won against, actually think we wronged you in the players we used ? Were you surprised to see some people in our roster when the game started ? At any point did you get the feeling you were not playing against WTFR ? I think i can safely say : No. So dont pretend to be the righteous one and glorify the rules when you know you wouldnt give a in different circumstances. Just admit you just cant stand the loss and wanna use anything possible to get your precious win back. But dont act like victims of an outrageous abuse.. Conclusion, i wont deny the technical fault. CCP can cope with your whining and disqualify us directly cause in case of rematch, we wont change anything if we dont have all the registered players available. We'll use other members of the corp. That's it. You can hide all you want behind rules, all i see are sad losers. And to answer specifically to someone who said "lol sad day when one of the corps i held in high regard tries to legitimize cheatin in a tournament. Just another loldust moment ". Dude, get down your high horse cause first we dont give a crap bout what you may think of us, and second you're very quick on judging people when you could take a good look at yourself at some point. I'm out of this **.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1051	Posted - 2013.09.13 07:39:00 - [226] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: typical WTF crying again
Ascifi Ogrop SyNergy Gaming EoN. 38	Posted - 2013.09.13 07:56:00 - [227] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Okay my turn now. I'm so amazed by the self righteous reaction i see both here and on twitter... Oh the rules, THE RULES. Incredible how we hear about them only when some loses. To clarify one thing. Some called us cheaters. Like we intentionally decided to wrong the game. Thing is we played with..... Drums Rolling.... WTFR players. Yes some werent registeredon Urgent **IN Fury, me included. But to me that's not the point. The point is. Do you, the players we fought and won against, actually think we wronged you in the players we used ? Were you surprised to see some people in our roster when the game started ? At any point did you get the feeling you were not playing against WTFR ? I think i can safely say : No. So dont pretend to be the righteous one and glorify the rules when you know you wouldnt give a in different circumstances. Just admit you just cant stand the loss and wanna use anything possible to get your precious win back. But dont act like victims of an outrageous abuse.. Conclusion, i wont deny the technical fault. CCP can cope with your whining and disqualify us directly cause in case of rematch, we wont change anything if we dont have all the registered players available. We'll use other members of the corp. That's it. You can hide all you want behind rules, all i see are sad losers. And to answer specifically to someone who said "lol sad day when one of the corps i held in high regard tries to legitimize cheatin in a tournament. Just another loldust moment ". Dude, get down your high horse cause first we dont give a crap bout what you may think of us, and second you're very quick on judging people when you could take a good look at yourself at some point. I'm out of this **. Nice your a CPM and this is your attitude? No doubt if the shoe was on the other foot, you would be singing a different tune, the site was easy to register on, it's a poor excuse and my final point will be on lag, I heard on more then one occasion that you had lag on losses, be it in pc matches or this tourney, but hey ho, you only have yourselves to blame.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1928	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:21:00 - [228] - Quote Ascifi Ogrop wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Okay my turn now. I'm so amazed by the self righteous reaction i see both here and on twitter... Oh the rules, THE RULES. Incredible how we hear about them only when some loses. To clarify one thing. Some called us cheaters. Like we intentionally decided to wrong the game. Thing is we played with..... Drums Rolling.... WTFR players. Yes some werent registeredon Urgent **IN Fury, me included. But to me that's not the point. The point is. Do you, the players we fought and won against, actually think we wronged you in the players we used ? Were you surprised to see some people in our roster when the game started ? At any point did you get the feeling you were not playing against WTFR ? I think i can safely say : No. So dont pretend to be the righteous one and glorify the rules when you know you wouldnt give a in different circumstances. Just admit you just cant stand the loss and wanna use anything possible to get your precious win back. But dont act like victims of an outrageous abuse.. Conclusion, i wont deny the technical fault. CCP can cope with your whining and disqualify us directly cause in case of rematch, we wont change anything if we dont have all the registered players available. We'll use other members of the corp. That's it. You can hide all you want behind rules, all i see are sad losers. And to answer specifically to someone who said "lol sad day when one of the corps i held in high regard tries to legitimize cheatin in a tournament. Just another loldust moment ". Dude, get down your high horse cause first we dont give a crap bout what you may think of us, and second you're very quick on judging people when you could take a good look at yourself at some point. I'm out of this **. Nice your a CPM and this is your attitude? No doubt if the shoe was on the other foot, you would be singing a different tune, the site was easy to register on, it's a poor excuse and my final point will be on lag, I heard on more then one occasion that you had lag on losses, be it in pc matches or this tourney, but hey ho, you only have yourselves to blame. I dont see at all why being CPM should change anything at my opinion. This has nothing to do with what i do as CPM and wont change anything at the way i do it. Second, i dont deny the technicality. I'm just criticizing the attitude around it trying to pass us for what we arent when you have no idea neither why nor in which state of mind we used those players. At no point we ever thought we were doing anything wrong here. And at no point was it an attempt to cheat our way to a win as our top players were the ones registered. So yeah. Whatever dude. In the end, i actually dont give a damn about this tourney nor its prizes. There are just things i just cant stand. WTFR whipped asses and that's it.
Delta Iddon No Free Pass 104	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:42:00 - [229] - Quote The attitude of WTF towards rules in the tournament, however they might think towards them, is shocking. It doesn't matter how dumb your team thinks the rules are, you agreed to them when you signed up to the tournament, you then have the audacity to break those rules repeatedly, claim its ok and then blame it on teams that have lost? At this point I honestly don't care if NFP get back into the tournament, GAC has been repeatedly messed around because of your actions, they are the ones losing out the most at the moment and if i'm honest, I would be happy if GAC automatically won this tournament right now. Don't try to blame other teams when it is your team that broke the rules. I would have expected that at least some of you would be mature enough to understand that you are breaking rules and recognise the consequences that follow.
Ascifi Ogrop SyNergy Gaming EoN. 40	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:43:00 - [230] - Quote Well imo as CPM you should at least get your corp to abide by the rules and set a standard, we did exactly this making sure everyone was registered on the site and correcting there names, it wasn't rocket science I even managed to and that is saying something. If you didn't have enough then tough play with what you have, we did and I know other corps have done also, just the way it is, if we wanted as Mavado said we could of got anyone to join us if we wanted to, but again we didn't. As far as I JW made the relevant people aware of ineligible players in matches, this time we had to be made aware of it, be it the tension after the game I don't know, this is not us being butthurt but think that if you like, we just play fair and expect the same.

Absolute Idiom II SyNergy Gaming EoN. 694	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:44:00 - [231] - Quote Hi Caz. I did genuinely enjoy our Quarterfinal match against WTFR. All of NFP did. The battles were tough and the results very close. However, we were 1 or 2 people short (RL happens) and we made do because the rules stipulated you had to be registered as part of the tourney team in advance. Should we have made the same judgement as WTFR and included some other SyN/EoN players who were online at the time? NFP were team from players across the alliance afterall. I'm sure if we had, that we'd have won the matches. Like you, I wish the rules were better. They were pretty damn inconvenient! But, importantly, they applied to your opponents as well as yourselves. In order to "bring the fight" as you say, by filling gaps - you actually gave yourselves an unfair advantage over any opponent who adhered to that rule. I think you have to concede that. You gave yourselves an advantage, and it worked: you won your matches.
Doc DDD TeamPlayers EoN. 63	Posted - 2013.09.13 09:02:00 - [232] - Quote So if we cant field a full team for a tournament match, we can just grab a bunch of unregistered players to use so that the match can be rescheduled ? The team that used unregistered players doesnt take a loss or get penalized in any way ? Just want to be clear this is being approved as I feel like I have been taking crazy pills reading this thread.
olssam 62 What The French CRONOS. 58	Posted - 2013.09.13 09:18:00 - [233] - Quote And if NFP and RUST have won? Would they use a ticket? I do not think
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1051	Posted - 2013.09.13 09:25:00 - [234] - Quote olssam 62 wrote: And if NFP and RUST have won? Would they use a ticket? I do not think I don't see what that has to do with anything? If you had lost in the quarterfinals I doubt NFP would have had a desire to go out of their way just to disqualify you (when you were already out of the tourney). At least unless they have an extreme hate for you guys, which I doubt they have.
Delta Iddon No Free Pass 106	Posted - 2013.09.13 09:28:00 - [235] - Quote olssam 62 wrote: And if NFP and RUST have won? Would they use a ticket? I do not think If NFP had won, RUST would have not reported that you cheated you still cheated
smartlayer What The French CRONOS. 25	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:03:00 - [236] - Quote CCP decision is very simple to take then in fact Disqualify all the team that have used in at least one person that was not registered for this tournament Both for the EU and NA league et voila
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1054	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:08:00 - [237] - Quote smartlayer wrote: CCP decision is very simple to take then in fact Disqualify all the team that have used in at least one person that was not registered for this tournament Both for the EU and NA league et voila Sure, just send in the proof and I'm sure they will. The other EU teams have stated they've only used people on the rosters and that they've played matches without a full team because of this. But send the proof to CCP and they'll handle it.
smartlayer What The French CRONOS. 27	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:43:00 - [238] - Quote Send the proof ? Well it's not to me to do that, i hope ccp have back up log of all tournament's matches to do the needed analysis.... otherway how they will decide who are the 20 guy of each winning corpo who will earn the prices (this rule will bring some drama in corporation internally certainly ) And i dont accuse anybody, i'm not a "finger pointing guy" all i can "prove" is that i know we used unregistered corp member for some match If the other EU team have only used registered members for all matches then only WTF will be removed from the tournament from the EU league Read again
Absolute Idiom II SyNergy Gaming EoN. 697	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:53:00 - [239] - Quote I don't envy the decision CCP have to make now. I predict the eventual winners will feel pretty dissatisfied. 1) CCP might order a rematches of the finals to determine the winners, but GAC and other teams/players have already stated they are unlikely to be able to field a full team for such a rematchs next week. 2) CCP might decide that the round robin results will be used to determine 1st, 2nd, 3rd. 3) Or some other mix of options. Any way it goes; no-one wants to win a tournament this way. No-one wants a medal because of opponent disqualifications. Or to play matches with or against incomplete teams.
Heavy Breaks Red Star. EoN. 255	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:59:00 - [240] - Quote smartlayer wrote: Send the proof ? Well it's not to me to do that, i hope ccp have back up log of all tournament's matches to do the needed analysis.... otherway how they will decide who are the 20 guy of each winning corpo who will earn the prices (this rule will bring some drama in corporation internally certainly ) And i dont accuse anybody, i'm not a "finger pointing guy" all i can "prove" is that i know we used unregistered corp member for some match If the other EU team have only used registered members for all matches then only WTF will be removed from the tournament from the EU league Read again NFP were not happy we lost but that has nothing to do with the fact the rules were broken. JW is a stickler for the rules so yes win or lose it would have been reported. Was a good match and you won it.



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