you know i would be fine if they toke this out for reworking and tweaking for a length of time called SOON tm

I would too because SOON tm is like 3months or so i can live without the SL for 3months or so

lolswarms

Invisible missiles, bend around cover, instant lock on and fire and forget the king of easy AV against generally everything

So what if it only effected air vehicles and FG/PL were only good for ground vehicles?

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Shut up i havnt done yet

So swarms effect air vehicles, makes sense since they follow the target anyways, look at when they target ground vehicles they just follow the tank around the corner/s and it cant escape, too slow and big to not miss

DS can escape tho, at least if the DS pilot is good they would survive and SL users would maybe have to think and *GASP* work together instead of instant lock/fire & forget/free WP collected

Problem is the DS has the FG still to deal with, problem is the FG requires some aim at least unlike lolswarms

DS needs a buff anyways since CCP took away 2 skills which added more shield/armor hp to vehicles

So HAV and LAV would escape the lolswarms and instead FG/PL would be needed but it would eliminate the majority of problems thet vehicles users have with AV except it just dumps it on the DS pilot but hay at least we dont get whacked with invisible, corner avoiding fire and forget instant lock on through walls swarms anymore which we cannot avoid, at least when we die it would be to a FG who has to aim, if it was a death to a PL i would lol good for them, if its lolAVnades then no thats still a crutch which needs a nerf

Not like DS plague the skies anyways, but it would shaft alot of SL users but then again skilling into a crutch so meh

This idea will get shot down instantly because the majority of you are bad and rely on the lolswarms as it is

A tank should absolutely require multiple AV players to take it down. It's a freakin' TANK. You should scatter as soon as you see one approaching. Not switch to your AV fit to pop it and back to killing infantry in less than a minute. It should take teamwork (novel concept) to eliminate one.

thats soon TM
SOON tm is 9-14 months, you need to caught up in CCP talk.

on a off note since BF3 was brought up. they handle AV much better. its next to impossible to hit air vehicles with the smaw/rpg but they have more ammo so you use the lockon ones(names forgotten but w/e) but the lockon ones don't lock on to tanks and the tanks there take more shots and longer to solo kill then on dust, sad... i landed 4 rpg shots to back of an enemy tank and 5th was the kill and their tanks. my thoughts the only truely balanced AV is the plasma cannon after playing other games where tank deaths didn't mean a whole lot and coming back here where it mean 3-15 matches worth isk if you die once in a tank. sadly really that other games put tanks higher up then dust and make them free so yea proof the risk vs reward system isn't working and AFK is running rampant here because of the risk v reward system.

Care to explain your reasoning behind this ?
Why should it take more than 1 person to counter something 1 person can control ?
By that logic my assault rifle should take more than one person to take down ... it's on a 'freakin' armor plated and shielded dropsuit !
Ohh and what about a logiLAV ... that's a 'freakin' open top beach buggy with more defenses than your 'freakin' HAV !

lolswarms

Invisible missiles, bend around cover, instant lock on and fire and forget the king of easy AV against generally everything

So what if it only effected air vehicles and FG/PL were only good for ground vehicles?

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Shut up i havnt done yet

So swarms effect air vehicles, makes sense since they follow the target anyways, look at when they target ground vehicles they just follow the tank around the corner/s and it cant escape, too slow and big to not miss

DS can escape tho, at least if the DS pilot is good they would survive and SL users would maybe have to think and *GASP* work together instead of instant lock/fire & forget/free WP collected

Problem is the DS has the FG still to deal with, problem is the FG requires some aim at least unlike lolswarms

DS needs a buff anyways since CCP took away 2 skills which added more shield/armor hp to vehicles

So HAV and LAV would escape the lolswarms and instead FG/PL would be needed but it would eliminate the majority of problems thet vehicles users have with AV except it just dumps it on the DS pilot but hay at least we dont get whacked with invisible, corner avoiding fire and forget instant lock on through walls swarms anymore which we cannot avoid, at least when we die it would be to a FG who has to aim, if it was a death to a PL i would lol good for them, if its lolAVnades then no thats still a crutch which needs a nerf

Not like DS plague the skies anyways, but it would shaft alot of SL users but then again skilling into a crutch so meh

This idea will get shot down instantly because the majority of you are bad and rely on the lolswarms as it is

I love how tankers talk about how "easy mode" swarms are yet sit in a tank with several thousand HP able to one/two piece infantry.

If anything is "easy mode" it's tanks.

GTFO.

As a proto swarmer: They seem to cut corners by aiming at vehicle trails instead of the vehicle itself. They are also incredibly pointless against most DS pilots.
As also a tanker: I do see all the glitches with them. To the target, swarms are usually invisible. Their ability to track also makes the damage direction sensor pointless. For armor vehicles the swarms do 120% (to my knowledge) and 80% to shields.

To vehicles- Of course there is going to be a weapon that can track. You think there wouldn't be something thousand years in the future. Especially when 3-4 (5) unique races grew to develop deferent technologies.

To swarms- You can do 2370+ damage to the best HAVs in the game. Though you may say that's deducted by the armor resistance... 15%+ 10% = 25% 2370 - 25%= 1777.5 If HAVs equip resistance mods... Equip damage mods. Don't complain about something you can fix. I am fairly certain armor havs don't usually equip resistance mods anyways.

For shield HAVs... yeah they have greater resistance against you guys(a lot). But they also have less average HP than armor tanks and a lot less HP p/s regen too. Shields usually do equip resistance mods because that's one of their few best advantages.
2370 - 20% (natural shield resistance) - 30% (resistance mods) = 1327 + 17% (damage mods) = 1552
On average shield HAVs have around 5000 hp. 5000/1552= 31ish% per hit
On average armor HAVs have around 6000 hp. 6000/1777= 29.%ish per hit

To HAV's you kill infantry in less a second.
To infantry your don't walk in the middle of the street.
You also take out 700,000 - 1,000,000 when you kill a tank.

Agreed but if they did that then they actually would have the potential to curve around cover and vehicle players would whine even more
As they are now the tracking is to good since it goes directly for the same spot on a vehicle always rather than a slower mid air adjustment
What vehicle players fail to realize is that super accurate tracking also means it will blow up against any cover you put between you and it unless its already right on your ass and since it tracks toward the bottom of the vehicle that also means they are prone to blowing up on any little bump on the ground

Unless you plant yourself on a roof its actually a pain in the ass to get the damn things to do what you want and a medium on a roof is much more vulnerable to a sniper than a heavy on a roof, hell you wouldnt even be able to return fire unlike the forge gun wielding heavy

LolHAVscrubs whining about AV again !

Come back when your HAV gets bonuses from occupants and you can't solo dominate an entire team.

When vehicles require more occupants to be effective, only then should it take more than one AV to defeat them.

Ive been on both sides of swarms, you obviously havent if you dont know their flight patterns

Did you know that the swarms flight pattern leads them to the bottom of the tank so even if you are above the tank theres a chance it will still hit the terrain

Do you know how I know this? Its because I use swarm launchers and have driven tanks
Oh no there goes you "Nuh uh you dont even know cause you dont drive it" defense
If its driven well even a ****** militia tank can be a massive fire support bonus to a team

You want a lore excuse about how the computer in the launcher is doing the locking and since nothing is being fired yet its pretty easy to keep it pointed in one direction unlike a rifle spraying plasma and kicking against you?
And you do lose lock if you point away, you just have a couple seconds before it happens

Let me guess you wont be happy until everyone that can harm you has to stand perfectly still in the open for 5 minutes before taking a single shot so you have a chance to fight back right?

Why dont you explain why a tank should be an indestructible force on the battlefield and use a better argument than "herp derp iz tank and cost da moniez"

Solaire those two seconds go by faster than you think especially under fire, and I have an alt skilled into tanks, not at proto level with everything but even then its easy mode as long as you stay aware of the situation
Oh no, there goes the fan favorite "You dont drive tanks you dont know" defense

And Pegasis explain exactly how even a properly piloted militia tank does not benefit the team if you are so sure that statement has no credibility
I mean surely you can back up you BS if you are such the authority on whats credible or are you talking out of your ass?

What part of "I have skilled into HAVs on an alt and use more than militia HAVs with the default fittings" dont you understand
I know the cost issues you whine about, I know the survivability issues you whine about, I know the "waaah swarms hit us" you whine about all first hand and I know you are also blowing it way out of proportion and they are hardly issues if you have even a shred of situational awareness and dont run off on your own like a damn fool

Explain how being in a battle (situation) and knowing that the enemy is most likely going to be in locations A B or C since they give the greatest view is not being aware of whats going on around you
Its not rocket science and if you cant figure that out then maybe a nice game of candyland is more your speed

I wonder.. did anyone ever think that the main counter to a Tank should be a.. Tank?

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Don't complain about something you can fix. I am fairly certain armor havs don't usually equip resistance mods anyways.

I wonder.. did anyone ever think that the main counter to a Tank should be a.. Tank?

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Then what was the point of AV? Or is the idea that 5 AV weapons were put in the game just for harassing LAV's?

That's not fair! That's overpowered! Why can't militia swarms solo a 15mil SP 1.3mil ISK tank!

Why can't it be that one guy should just be able to chase away a vehicle? Why must he be able to solo my tank?

This right here is why I can't take tankers seriously. Plenty of us running around with proto swarms and FG's and it's still always the "waaaaah militia" excuse.