lolswarms

Invisible missiles, bend around cover, instant lock on and fire and forget the king of easy AV against generally everything

So what if it only effected air vehicles and FG/PL were only good for ground vehicles?

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Shut up i havnt done yet

So swarms effect air vehicles, makes sense since they follow the target anyways, look at when they target ground vehicles they just follow the tank around the corner/s and it cant escape, too slow and big to not miss

DS can escape tho, at least if the DS pilot is good they would survive and SL users would maybe have to think and *GASP* work together instead of instant lock/fire & forget/free WP collected

Problem is the DS has the FG still to deal with, problem is the FG requires some aim at least unlike lolswarms

DS needs a buff anyways since CCP took away 2 skills which added more shield/armor hp to vehicles

So HAV and LAV would escape the lolswarms and instead FG/PL would be needed but it would eliminate the majority of problems thet vehicles users have with AV except it just dumps it on the DS pilot but hay at least we dont get whacked with invisible, corner avoiding fire and forget instant lock on through walls swarms anymore which we cannot avoid, at least when we die it would be to a FG who has to aim, if it was a death to a PL i would lol good for them, if its lolAVnades then no thats still a crutch which needs a nerf

Not like DS plague the skies anyways, but it would shaft alot of SL users but then again skilling into a crutch so meh

This idea will get shot down instantly because the majority of you are bad and rely on the lolswarms as it is

I love how tankers talk about how "easy mode" swarms are yet sit in a tank with several thousand HP able to one/two piece infantry.

If anything is "easy mode" it's tanks.

GTFO.

Agreed but if they did that then they actually would have the potential to curve around cover and vehicle players would whine even more
As they are now the tracking is to good since it goes directly for the same spot on a vehicle always rather than a slower mid air adjustment
What vehicle players fail to realize is that super accurate tracking also means it will blow up against any cover you put between you and it unless its already right on your ass and since it tracks toward the bottom of the vehicle that also means they are prone to blowing up on any little bump on the ground

Unless you plant yourself on a roof its actually a pain in the ass to get the damn things to do what you want and a medium on a roof is much more vulnerable to a sniper than a heavy on a roof, hell you wouldnt even be able to return fire unlike the forge gun wielding heavy

LolHAVscrubs whining about AV again !

Come back when your HAV gets bonuses from occupants and you can't solo dominate an entire team.

When vehicles require more occupants to be effective, only then should it take more than one AV to defeat them.

Ive been on both sides of swarms, you obviously havent if you dont know their flight patterns

Did you know that the swarms flight pattern leads them to the bottom of the tank so even if you are above the tank theres a chance it will still hit the terrain

Do you know how I know this? Its because I use swarm launchers and have driven tanks
Oh no there goes you "Nuh uh you dont even know cause you dont drive it" defense
If its driven well even a ****** militia tank can be a massive fire support bonus to a team

You want a lore excuse about how the computer in the launcher is doing the locking and since nothing is being fired yet its pretty easy to keep it pointed in one direction unlike a rifle spraying plasma and kicking against you?
And you do lose lock if you point away, you just have a couple seconds before it happens

Let me guess you wont be happy until everyone that can harm you has to stand perfectly still in the open for 5 minutes before taking a single shot so you have a chance to fight back right?

Why dont you explain why a tank should be an indestructible force on the battlefield and use a better argument than "herp derp iz tank and cost da moniez"

Solaire those two seconds go by faster than you think especially under fire, and I have an alt skilled into tanks, not at proto level with everything but even then its easy mode as long as you stay aware of the situation
Oh no, there goes the fan favorite "You dont drive tanks you dont know" defense

And Pegasis explain exactly how even a properly piloted militia tank does not benefit the team if you are so sure that statement has no credibility
I mean surely you can back up you BS if you are such the authority on whats credible or are you talking out of your ass?

What part of "I have skilled into HAVs on an alt and use more than militia HAVs with the default fittings" dont you understand
I know the cost issues you whine about, I know the survivability issues you whine about, I know the "waaah swarms hit us" you whine about all first hand and I know you are also blowing it way out of proportion and they are hardly issues if you have even a shred of situational awareness and dont run off on your own like a damn fool

Explain how being in a battle (situation) and knowing that the enemy is most likely going to be in locations A B or C since they give the greatest view is not being aware of whats going on around you
Its not rocket science and if you cant figure that out then maybe a nice game of candyland is more your speed

Don't complain about something you can fix. I am fairly certain armor havs don't usually equip resistance mods anyways.

I wonder.. did anyone ever think that the main counter to a Tank should be a.. Tank?

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Then what was the point of AV? Or is the idea that 5 AV weapons were put in the game just for harassing LAV's?

This right here is why I can't take tankers seriously. Plenty of us running around with proto swarms and FG's and it's still always the "waaaaah militia" excuse.

Who said solo? And how did you get solo'd anyways? I've seem so many tankers not have this issue with "solo" proto AV on the field. But guess what, if half the team has AV grenades and you wander in rage it's not "solo" anymore. If an FG and 2 swarmers are giving chase it's not solo. And if you let me get behind you and unload 3 AV grenades right behind you followed by 2 swarms before you react you deserve to go down.

I miss a lot of those topics because they typically degenerate into what you were doing before you actually started giving decent responses. The only reason I stopped here is because I spotted something that seemed exceptionally misguided in the idea that infantry, despite having a good variety of AV options, shouldn't be effective in AV. But that said, why, if I can get OHK'd in the back by a scout that didn't show on the mini map, should vehicles inherit an immunity to it? Asking seriously and realistically, is there even a way for a tank to be OHK'd by a single AV character? If not you already have the advantage.

That would be OP they would all scream

Take World of Tanks - Each tank has a crew, different guns and mods which can be upgraded and can fire diff shells yet a 3man crew tank can kill a 6man crew tank for example but only person is controlling it all on the PC, crew is just an AI thing

But take tanks in the real world with a crew, generally they would help the tank be a bit more efficient, able to reload faster, watch out for threats, take over for positions if you is injured, highlight threats etc but the tank itself is ******* beastly and costs millions to produce 1

Now DUST has no crew to speak of which does anything worthwhile, ammo is ther and reload is automatic due to nanites lets say and the only mods you can really vastly improve on is the turrets since basic/adv/proto while everything else is basic but the modules cannot be damaged, we cant overheat them and lolswarms cant take our tracks off us either but we cant improve the hull itself anyways or the tracks

But while its basic it requires a shitton of SP to make it worthwhile and a borderline battlefield threat with an ISK sink to boot, on the otherhand lolprotoswarms are easy to obtain and fit on all suits, if you are a assault guy or even logi you can skill it up with your main weapon as an AV option, even basic is enough to **** me off anyways due to the current flaws

Needless wants it to be a 1 for 1, so right now generally its 2-3 with basic to take down a fully fitted basic HAV, so Needless would want that nerfed so basic AV gets a massive buff up to the level of lolprotoswarm damage while a lolprotoswarm user will be able to take down a proto HAV simply because 1 person can drive it so its fair that one person can kill it right? lolno

To get to lolprotoswarms its a very small amount of SP and ISK tbh, we havnt seen proto tanks in a while and dont even have proto mods except for the turrets, so to get proto everything is again going to be another big SP sink and ISK sink to boot but it doesnt matter how many slots you have or tank because Needless here wants 1 person to take it out because it takes 1 to drive it

Needless wants to give everyfuckingidiot the chance to kill an expenisve vehicle on ther own with minimum SP investment

So Needless wants to balance on 1 v 1

What happens if the HAV has been filled up? 2 extra gunners, does the tank/resistances/speed/damage output etc change at all? if nothing does change then why fill up the extra seats? would pilot suits stack so that if i did fill the seats then i would get more tank/resistances/speed/ damage output etc because again if not why would i bother?

Currently in BF3 you can fill a tank with a 3man crew yet it routinely takes lolRPG 3 shots from one guy to kill it with ease, reactive armor doesnt work, proxy no good if you cant see em, thermal the same, countermeasures dont work, yet the lolRPG guy can and does bunnyhop around while firing/reloading and sponges at least 1 shot from the main cannon because lolcannon

If BF3 tried to be realistic in anyway, lolRPG guy would be ******* dead 9/10 times and wouldnt be able to bunnyhop around while firing/reloading and sponge pointblank cannon shots because he would have lost both ******* legs

Back to DUST, its the same as BF3, lolswarms guy bunnyhops his way through the field while reloaing/locking on/firing while he avoids damage from a railgun/lolmissiles even if he is in the middle of 4lolmissiles because missiles have no splash and i need a direct hit same as railgun splash non existant yet all the FG kill with splash just fine

So while bunnyhops about like a crackhead neither of my gunners can hit him so instead its easier to get out and deal with him, except most of the time the lolswarms guy is ******* 200m away doing the same thing which requires a sniper who still cant hit his bunnyhopping arse anyways so we back to square one but thats not including the lolmissiles from the lolswarms which bend around cover and are invisible half the time

The role of the HAV is to attack and **** things up, back in the day of closed beta in chromosome if you saw a tank as infantry you gtfo instantly or you died, you didnt run to a supply depot swap out to AV and solo the thing with lolavnades, you had to work as a team to take it out

Even now when i run my tank i generally either have someone in my tank watching out or other ppl out in the field rely the intel to me because them being in a gun seat can be useless half the time or i will dual tank so we back each other up but as soon as proto AV turns up we are ****** in general and more so with swarms because i dont really see FG bunnyhop around then generally move from side to side but they require aim so they cant do to much because it throws off the aim

If i run solo im ******, i dont have eyes in the back of my head and even if something hits me i could be driving into the danger zone because hit indicators are crap but even the damage can be hit hard and fast and im just ****** anyways

We have no countermeasures, all we can do is make the best basic tank we can and hear we have 1 guy who wants to solo everything with minimal effort

Where are the games when a tank is a tank and not a moving coffin? in FPS games they aint ther, they get nerfed consistantly and even BF3 has nerfed all vehicles to next to uselessness

Why is it that in general in todays gaming culture that everyone was to be able to kill everything without using teamwork, they want to solo it with minimum effort and as little skill as possible