generally in video games a "ringer" is a non-clan member brought into a match by a clan to help win. but most video games don't have alliances and we have corps instead of clans. it's kind of a gray area. it's both a correct/incorrect description.

An alliance would be closer to what other games call a clan. In New Eden, the loose affiliation some groups have is what we refer to as a coalition.

Alliance members of a true alliance are not ringers. EON is more similar to a coalition than an alliance.
Alliances function in the CCP universe the way Clan's do in other games.

A corp is just your smaller circle of friends while your alliance is the level at which things get accomplished and direction is decided upon.

Groups being on good terms and helping each other out is not an alliance that is at best a coalition and more accurately is simply some friends communicating and lending a hand every now and then.

If this was true I'd want to see all my alliance battles in an Alliance tab for PC. Overall, I disagree. Corps act mostly independently.

Alliance members of a true alliance are not ringers. EON is more similar to a coalition than an alliance.

News to me.

If this was true I'd want to see all my alliance battles in an Alliance tab for PC. Overall, I disagree. Corps act mostly independently.

Maybe if crops had a limit of 50-100 people then it would be relatively accurate to say "smaller circle of friends" but look at some corps out there with like 500+ members.

When I think of ringers I think of a Team either not having enough players trying to get bodies, or I think of Nikia calling for aces because he didn't want to field his own players, he'd rather field the A-team players of his alliance in order to win his battles. Just my experience.

Corps are considered what clans/guilds are.

Anyone outside your corp/clan is a ringer. It's just in Dust.....ringing is more openly done and acceptable.

You are simply incorrect.

How would you help other than playing in their PC matches? Fork out money? Why have an alliance if you're not allowed to use it forfor help?

There comes a point when a corporation relies on their alliance too much where they call it "as one" to avoid the bad name of a ,ringer,

I'm assuming that was towards me so here's my response.

I never said not allowed. I said that I personally think that any non-corporation member is a ringer. And that ringers aren't a bad thing so there really isn't a shame in having them...

Isn't a ringer generally a negative term? And wouldn't that making ringing negative? And if ringing for your alliance isn't negative then is it really ringing at all? I pretty much agree with what you're saying skipper, I just think it deserves a different term other than ringer.

They simply aren't ringers. We approach every fight as an alliance. We aren't afraid of the word ringer. We have one guy who rings for us on occasion, who's a friend of a friend, and we like him, and he's awesome. And of course, as people have pointed out, we rang in a team once. And that was fine too. (I actually felt a little sorry for dumping that on HavoK Core, they're good folks, but out of the fights we had to fight at the exact same time, we felt HavoK was the most prepared to handle it.

The problem is, the people who thinks alliance members are still ringers are thinking way too small. Small thinking isn't going to last in New Eden. A corporation is your family (think mothers, brothers, sisters). An organizational unit inside your clan (think all the random aunts and uncles who share your name) which is your alliance. Your buddies, who come help you out when you need it... that's your coalition.

You are simply incorrect.

agreed... I do not believe the term 'ringer' applies when members of your alliance are assisting you in battle


never have. Never been comfortable with the term 'ringer' being used so freely in these circumstances.

but as always, that's just my opinion

News to me.

2. Slang A contestant entered dishonestly into a competition.

Dictionary definition of a ringer.

Why is it that Top Men are the only ones that don't get it. I don't understand how you can come from a background that isn't fps and tell fps players that their definition of ringer is "incorrect".

I don't care who you consider family. If they are not a part of your corp then they are ringers...period. When you are short for a battle, you go into your alliance channel and say, "I need a few ringers for a pc match in an hour".

But since these are corp v corp matches and someone not in your corp plays in it, then they are ringing.

But Kam, our alliance doesn't fill corp first, then alliance for most matches. We just fill the match from alliance, corp members included.

I think this debate just made me lose some IQ

Why is it that Top Men are the only ones that don't get it. I don't understand how you can come from a background that isn't fps and tell fps players that their definition of ringer is "incorrect".

I don't care who you consider family. If they are not a part of your corp then they are ringers...period. When you are short for a battle, you go into your alliance channel and say, "I need a few ringers for a pc match in an hour".

If ringing wasn't allowed in dust, then alliance corp members can still help each other by launching coordinated attacks if they are at war. They will also not launch against each other. They can share battle plans, advice on strategy, dropsuit and vehicle fits, etc. They can also give money to each other if one needs the help or if they need help to fund a war. There are still other ways that alliance corp members can help out if ringing wasn't allowed (just to answer someone else's question).

You guys think that ringers are those you hire or use outside of your alliance. But that would only be true if there was an alliance battle going on. And I don't mean an alliance war....I mean, one battle that's set up for the best of an alliance to fight each other. But since these are corp v corp matches and someone not in your corp plays in it, then they are ringing.

****, if you are in corp A and your brother that lives with you is in corp B, and he plays under one of your alts for a corp A match, then he is a ringer.

They aren't corp v. corp battles. If you attack New Eden's Most Wanted, or any other corp in our alliance, you are attacking Top Men. Your failure to know or understand that is bad intel or research on your part. Anyone who does their due diligence before attacking should be fully aware they will be fighting our alliance as a whole.

Then make a corporation called Top Men. so you can stop feeling bad about the term ringer.

You know, I actually think you get progressively dumber? That takes real skill, sir. I approve.

Then make a corporation called Top Men. so you can stop feeling bad about the term ringer.

But Kam, our alliance doesn't fill corp first, then alliance for most matches. We just fill the match from alliance, corp members included.

Because one corporation of 1200 people is a good idea. Let's put them all under one CEO, Like 60 directors, who all can steal the entire group's cumulative assets at any time, and 1200 potential awoxers in every match.

That's just not common sense. Games that operate on the scale of EVE and DUST have hierarchical structures. Players are components of corporations. Corporations are components of alliances. Alliances are components of coalitions.

There is no disputing it.

Evidently there is disputing it. Ya know, since people are disputing it..

Aren't there corps in Eve with more than 1200 members in it? Delta Force & PRO had larger numbers than that on Dust. If a corp promotes 60 directors, then it is on them. Noone said there is a rule to have 60 directors in a 1200 member corp.

at the most basic level:

Are they directly from your corp? If not, then they are ringers. end of story. It's a fairly simple concept.

i agree with Ydubbs a ringer is anyone outside ur corp.

No it's mostly a few misled players against the grain.

Your alliance seems to function as a corp/clan then. The corps are not even establishing their own identity. Because if someone attacks a district, you guys are just pooling whoever you have online.

This guys dumb. Leave him to whatever definition he wants. Thankfully we don't need to argue semantics with a forum noob.

And look at how "successful" they are. We're not going to apologize for good management.



Except they aren't. Not in DUST 514.



The guy who can only create a corp with the help of outside ringers supports ringers. Shocker.



Or, a few intelligent ones against the horribly misguided masses.

Your reply was classic, just as I expected, thank you for being consistent at least.

The guy who can only create a corp with the help of outside ringers supports ringers. Shocker.


Says the guy that relies on his alliance rather than his own corp. shocker


Or, a few intelligent ones against the horribly misguided masses.

I think our players would disagree with you. Each of our corps has a unique culture and style. They just work together where it matters.

Yet last time I checked that's still dispute. And we obviously all have our opinions; however I think this is one argument that probably won't be agreed on no matter how much everyone debates it.

says the person who uses more ringers in PC than i do. at least use all four of my people tht are on. you have like 2 members of ur corp and the rest are ringers.

Or some people that think they have all ultimate knowledge (such as yourself) and some people that have a different opinion.

And look at how "successful" they are. We're not going to apologize for good management.

We've used like one ringer max, in like the entirety of our time in PC, with the exception of the one match we hired NF.



Not ultimate knowledge. Just more than you. ^_^

What are you saying? You think Top Men would've fared better than Delta Force in PC?

Top Men are the only ones that don't know what a ringer is. You guys are trying to recreate the definition given to a word by fps community long before dust was a thought.

Well we've won pretty much every time we've played them recently so....

A ringer is someone brought in from outside your "clan" because you either can't field someone who is up to par, or you are simply short x number of members for a particular fight.

in dust, the corp is effectively the "clan" of other games. If they are not from your corp, then they are not from your "clan" which makes them a ringer. Have a nice day.

Seems simple enough, right? But apparently it isn't

Seems simple enough, right? But apparently it isn't

What are you saying? You think Top Men would've fared better than Delta Force in PC?

A ringer is someone brought in from outside your "clan" because you either can't field someone who is up to par, or you are simply short x number of members for a particular fight.

in dust, the corp is effectively the "clan" of other games. If they are not from your corp, then they are not from your "clan" which makes them a ringer. Have a nice day.

Really? A corp is suddenly just a bunch of randoms? They are suddenly not even tangentially related to you? Yet to you, an alliance is a clan. people who are harder to talk with, organize with, and work with by consequence.

A clan is a group of people under the same "end of name" tag, the "end of name" tags in dust are the corp names, so they are, in effect the clans of dust. and ringers are people from outside your clan, period.

Conceptually, the clan and corp are the same thing. Just because you don't like it does not mean it changes. Dust is trying to be other games currently, so it gets the same metrics and concepts applied. Until it truly becomes it's own game with it's own concepts(1-5 years from now I'm guessing, until then, it will just be a generic sci-fi shooter) it will be in the same cadre of games like CoD, Battlefield, and Planetside.

Quite honestly, unless this argument is somehow related to PFC rules, I don't see the reason for it as people are going to play the way the want as they are free to do so. How each player defines ringer is also open to their own interpretation.

you guys say that if they some one doesn't share the same tag as other people on their team then they are considered ringers, but look at all the people from top men who have posted on this thread what does it say right under their corp name "Top Men" so wouldn't that mean they technically share the same tag?

There isn't a reason, except for someone:

A: trying to assuage their guilty conscience.
B: Force their view on everyone else.

Both of which are wrong reasons. the first because if you feel bad doing it, then stop doing it. and the second because **** you, people are different, and they're not going to change just because you say to.

not directed at you of course, just pointing it out.



Nope. the corp is the tag shown in game, therefore it is the clan name, and not sharing one is a definition of a ringer.

Nope. the corp is the tag shown in game, therefore it is the clan name, and not sharing one is a definition of a ringer.

Nope. the corp is the tag shown in game, therefore it is the clan name, and not sharing one is a definition of a ringer.

This particular game being really really incomplete and poorly implemented, does not make us wrong. ;)

We've used like one ringer max, in like the entirety of our time in PC, with the exception of the one match we hired NF.



Not ultimate knowledge. Just more than you. ^_^

i know i have ringed for you guys so the only ringer u have ever used was me. but u forgot al the exemplar ringers and dois X ringers.

and for some reason i doubt i have been ur only ringer i've seen u guys ask in public chats if u can get some ringers. i should know tht's how i ringed for top men. XD

btw top men is the only people who agree with u. and some others here and there. just trying to defend your point. which is not right BTW.

Lol you guys are unbelievable......think what you what. Lol Eve players telling you about fps culture

I'm just sitting here watching Heathen pwn lol

In my opinion an alliance is, obviously no attacking eachother, and if to many people are attacking you at once the send in a few good men to defend the areas you can't not just frivolous player swapping