But Kam, our alliance doesn't fill corp first, then alliance for most matches. We just fill the match from alliance, corp members included.

I think this debate just made me lose some IQ

Why is it that Top Men are the only ones that don't get it. I don't understand how you can come from a background that isn't fps and tell fps players that their definition of ringer is "incorrect".

I don't care who you consider family. If they are not a part of your corp then they are ringers...period. When you are short for a battle, you go into your alliance channel and say, "I need a few ringers for a pc match in an hour".

If ringing wasn't allowed in dust, then alliance corp members can still help each other by launching coordinated attacks if they are at war. They will also not launch against each other. They can share battle plans, advice on strategy, dropsuit and vehicle fits, etc. They can also give money to each other if one needs the help or if they need help to fund a war. There are still other ways that alliance corp members can help out if ringing wasn't allowed (just to answer someone else's question).

You guys think that ringers are those you hire or use outside of your alliance. But that would only be true if there was an alliance battle going on. And I don't mean an alliance war....I mean, one battle that's set up for the best of an alliance to fight each other. But since these are corp v corp matches and someone not in your corp plays in it, then they are ringing.

****, if you are in corp A and your brother that lives with you is in corp B, and he plays under one of your alts for a corp A match, then he is a ringer.

They aren't corp v. corp battles. If you attack New Eden's Most Wanted, or any other corp in our alliance, you are attacking Top Men. Your failure to know or understand that is bad intel or research on your part. Anyone who does their due diligence before attacking should be fully aware they will be fighting our alliance as a whole.

Then make a corporation called Top Men. so you can stop feeling bad about the term ringer.

You know, I actually think you get progressively dumber? That takes real skill, sir. I approve.

Then make a corporation called Top Men. so you can stop feeling bad about the term ringer.

But Kam, our alliance doesn't fill corp first, then alliance for most matches. We just fill the match from alliance, corp members included.

Because one corporation of 1200 people is a good idea. Let's put them all under one CEO, Like 60 directors, who all can steal the entire group's cumulative assets at any time, and 1200 potential awoxers in every match.

That's just not common sense. Games that operate on the scale of EVE and DUST have hierarchical structures. Players are components of corporations. Corporations are components of alliances. Alliances are components of coalitions.

There is no disputing it.

Evidently there is disputing it. Ya know, since people are disputing it..

Aren't there corps in Eve with more than 1200 members in it? Delta Force & PRO had larger numbers than that on Dust. If a corp promotes 60 directors, then it is on them. Noone said there is a rule to have 60 directors in a 1200 member corp.

at the most basic level:

Are they directly from your corp? If not, then they are ringers. end of story. It's a fairly simple concept.

i agree with Ydubbs a ringer is anyone outside ur corp.

No it's mostly a few misled players against the grain.

Your alliance seems to function as a corp/clan then. The corps are not even establishing their own identity. Because if someone attacks a district, you guys are just pooling whoever you have online.

This guys dumb. Leave him to whatever definition he wants. Thankfully we don't need to argue semantics with a forum noob.

And look at how "successful" they are. We're not going to apologize for good management.



Except they aren't. Not in DUST 514.



The guy who can only create a corp with the help of outside ringers supports ringers. Shocker.



Or, a few intelligent ones against the horribly misguided masses.

Your reply was classic, just as I expected, thank you for being consistent at least.

The guy who can only create a corp with the help of outside ringers supports ringers. Shocker.


Says the guy that relies on his alliance rather than his own corp. shocker


Or, a few intelligent ones against the horribly misguided masses.

I think our players would disagree with you. Each of our corps has a unique culture and style. They just work together where it matters.