You are simply incorrect.

How would you help other than playing in their PC matches? Fork out money? Why have an alliance if you're not allowed to use it forfor help?

Isn't a ringer generally a negative term? And wouldn't that making ringing negative? And if ringing for your alliance isn't negative then is it really ringing at all? I pretty much agree with what you're saying skipper, I just think it deserves a different term other than ringer.

Why is it that Top Men are the only ones that don't get it. I don't understand how you can come from a background that isn't fps and tell fps players that their definition of ringer is "incorrect".

I don't care who you consider family. If they are not a part of your corp then they are ringers...period. When you are short for a battle, you go into your alliance channel and say, "I need a few ringers for a pc match in an hour".

If ringing wasn't allowed in dust, then alliance corp members can still help each other by launching coordinated attacks if they are at war. They will also not launch against each other. They can share battle plans, advice on strategy, dropsuit and vehicle fits, etc. They can also give money to each other if one needs the help or if they need help to fund a war. There are still other ways that alliance corp members can help out if ringing wasn't allowed (just to answer someone else's question).

You guys think that ringers are those you hire or use outside of your alliance. But that would only be true if there was an alliance battle going on. And I don't mean an alliance war....I mean, one battle that's set up for the best of an alliance to fight each other. But since these are corp v corp matches and someone not in your corp plays in it, then they are ringing.

****, if you are in corp A and your brother that lives with you is in corp B, and he plays under one of your alts for a corp A match, then he is a ringer.

They aren't corp v. corp battles. If you attack New Eden's Most Wanted, or any other corp in our alliance, you are attacking Top Men. Your failure to know or understand that is bad intel or research on your part. Anyone who does their due diligence before attacking should be fully aware they will be fighting our alliance as a whole.

You know, I actually think you get progressively dumber? That takes real skill, sir. I approve.

The guy who can only create a corp with the help of outside ringers supports ringers. Shocker.


Says the guy that relies on his alliance rather than his own corp. shocker


Or, a few intelligent ones against the horribly misguided masses.

I think our players would disagree with you. Each of our corps has a unique culture and style. They just work together where it matters.

Yet last time I checked that's still dispute. And we obviously all have our opinions; however I think this is one argument that probably won't be agreed on no matter how much everyone debates it.