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Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:05:00 -
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I'm really tired of hearing this. Folks, if your alliance isn't coming to play with you, you should be wondering why they aren't supporting you. An alliance is not a group of corps who agree not to attack each other. An alliance is a coordinated group of players working together towards common goals.
Your other-game definitions do not apply here properly. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:54:00 -
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An alliance would be closer to what other games call a clan. In New Eden, the loose affiliation some groups have is what we refer to as a coalition. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:26:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:If this was true I'd want to see all my alliance battles in an Alliance tab for PC. Overall, I disagree. Corps act mostly independently.
This is the case of Shanghai being a nearly useless development house. If you have an alliance, it should show your alliance name on the scoreboard, show alliance battles in the battle finder. And you know, things like creating or joining an alliance would actually be an option in DUST. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:33:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Corps are considered what clans/guilds are.
Anyone outside your corp/clan is a ringer. It's just in Dust.....ringing is more openly done and acceptable.
You are simply incorrect. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:57:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:There comes a point when a corporation relies on their alliance too much where they call it "as one" to avoid the bad name of a ,ringer,
They simply aren't ringers. We approach every fight as an alliance. We aren't afraid of the word ringer. We have one guy who rings for us on occasion, who's a friend of a friend, and we like him, and he's awesome. And of course, as people have pointed out, we rang in a team once. And that was fine too. (I actually felt a little sorry for dumping that on HavoK Core, they're good folks, but out of the fights we had to fight at the exact same time, we felt HavoK was the most prepared to handle it.
The problem is, the people who thinks alliance members are still ringers are thinking way too small. Small thinking isn't going to last in New Eden. A corporation is your family (think mothers, brothers, sisters). An organizational unit inside your clan (think all the random aunts and uncles who share your name) which is your alliance. Your buddies, who come help you out when you need it... that's your coalition. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:22:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Why is it that Top Men are the only ones that don't get it. I don't understand how you can come from a background that isn't fps and tell fps players that their definition of ringer is "incorrect".
Your definition is not incorrect, your understanding of what it means is. Your application of that term to a game such as this is wrong.
Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I don't care who you consider family. If they are not a part of your corp then they are ringers...period. When you are short for a battle, you go into your alliance channel and say, "I need a few ringers for a pc match in an hour".
Nope, we say "guys, alliance PC match in an hour, let's go people". And people from the corp who happens to have their name on the battle are not necessarily prioritized. Sometimes we pick by roles we need. Sometimes we pick our n00bs to get them experience. Often, the platoon leader for the match does not belong to that corp.
Ydubbs81 RND wrote:But since these are corp v corp matches and someone not in your corp plays in it, then they are ringing.
They aren't corp v. corp battles. If you attack New Eden's Most Wanted, or any other corp in our alliance, you are attacking Top Men. Your failure to know or understand that is bad intel or research on your part. Anyone who does their due diligence before attacking should be fully aware they will be fighting our alliance as a whole. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.13 15:33:00 -
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But Kam, our alliance doesn't fill corp first, then alliance for most matches. We just fill the match from alliance, corp members included. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:40:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:Then make a corporation called Top Men. so you can stop feeling bad about the term ringer.
You know, I actually think you get progressively dumber? That takes real skill, sir. I approve. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.13 19:23:00 -
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Because one corporation of 1200 people is a good idea. Let's put them all under one CEO, Like 60 directors, who all can steal the entire group's cumulative assets at any time, and 1200 potential awoxers in every match.
That's just not common sense. Games that operate on the scale of EVE and DUST have hierarchical structures. Players are components of corporations. Corporations are components of alliances. Alliances are components of coalitions. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.13 21:46:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Aren't there corps in Eve with more than 1200 members in it? Delta Force & PRO had larger numbers than that on Dust. If a corp promotes 60 directors, then it is on them. Noone said there is a rule to have 60 directors in a 1200 member corp.
And look at how "successful" they are. We're not going to apologize for good management.
Heathen Bastard wrote:at the most basic level:
Are they directly from your corp? If not, then they are ringers. end of story. It's a fairly simple concept.
Except they aren't. Not in DUST 514.
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:i agree with Ydubbs a ringer is anyone outside ur corp.
The guy who can only create a corp with the help of outside ringers supports ringers. Shocker.
Zatara Rought wrote:No it's mostly a few misled players against the grain.
Or, a few intelligent ones against the horribly misguided masses. |
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Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.13 21:50:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Your alliance seems to function as a corp/clan then. The corps are not even establishing their own identity. Because if someone attacks a district, you guys are just pooling whoever you have online.
I think our players would disagree with you. Each of our corps has a unique culture and style. They just work together where it matters. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.14 00:13:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:says the person who uses more ringers in PC than i do. at least use all four of my people tht are on. you have like 2 members of ur corp and the rest are ringers. 
We've used like one ringer max, in like the entirety of our time in PC, with the exception of the one match we hired NF.
Skipper Jones wrote:Or some people that think they have all ultimate knowledge (such as yourself) and some people that have a different opinion.
Not ultimate knowledge. Just more than you. ^_^ |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.14 02:29:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:What are you saying? You think Top Men would've fared better than Delta Force in PC?
We've beat them... four five times now? |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.14 02:42:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:A ringer is someone brought in from outside your "clan" because you either can't field someone who is up to par, or you are simply short x number of members for a particular fight.
in dust, the corp is effectively the "clan" of other games. If they are not from your corp, then they are not from your "clan" which makes them a ringer. Have a nice day.
Realistically, clans and corps are nothing alike. We understand New Eden. You don't. Other games aren't DUST. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.14 03:51:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Nope. the corp is the tag shown in game, therefore it is the clan name, and not sharing one is a definition of a ringer.
This particular game being really really incomplete and poorly implemented, does not make us wrong. ;) |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:35:00 -
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gargantuise aaron wrote:In my opinion an alliance is, obviously no attacking eachother, and if to many people are attacking you at once the send in a few good men to defend the areas you can't not just frivolous player swapping
There's nothing frivolous about sending your better players in for the tougher fights, and getting your newer players in for the easier fights, and ensuring that people can get fights at times convenient for them, rather than just the ones their particular corp might be doing. |
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