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Skipper Jones
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
627
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Posted - 2013.08.13 23:43:00 -
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jjoemike10 O'Conner wrote:Yet last time I checked that's still dispute. And we obviously all have our opinions; however I think this is one argument that probably won't be agreed on no matter how much everyone debates it.
Tell you all knowledgeable "alliance member" that.
Seems like he can't comprehend that he's not always right. Or maybe he can't comprehend that his way isn't the right way.  |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
264
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Posted - 2013.08.14 00:13:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:says the person who uses more ringers in PC than i do. at least use all four of my people tht are on. you have like 2 members of ur corp and the rest are ringers.
We've used like one ringer max, in like the entirety of our time in PC, with the exception of the one match we hired NF.
Skipper Jones wrote:Or some people that think they have all ultimate knowledge (such as yourself) and some people that have a different opinion.
Not ultimate knowledge. Just more than you. ^_^ |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1730
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Posted - 2013.08.14 01:20:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Aren't there corps in Eve with more than 1200 members in it? Delta Force & PRO had larger numbers than that on Dust. If a corp promotes 60 directors, then it is on them. Noone said there is a rule to have 60 directors in a 1200 member corp. And look at how "successful" they are. We're not going to apologize for good management.
What are you saying? You think Top Men would've fared better than Delta Force in PC? |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1730
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Posted - 2013.08.14 01:28:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:says the person who uses more ringers in PC than i do. at least use all four of my people tht are on. you have like 2 members of ur corp and the rest are ringers. We've used like one ringer max, in like the entirety of our time in PC, with the exception of the one match we hired NF. Skipper Jones wrote:Or some people that think they have all ultimate knowledge (such as yourself) and some people that have a different opinion. Not ultimate knowledge. Just more than you. ^_^
Top Men are the only ones that don't know what a ringer is. You guys are trying to recreate the definition given to a word by fps community long before dust was a thought. |
jjoemike10 O'Conner
The Exemplars
Top Men.
19
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Posted - 2013.08.14 01:45:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Aren't there corps in Eve with more than 1200 members in it? Delta Force & PRO had larger numbers than that on Dust. If a corp promotes 60 directors, then it is on them. Noone said there is a rule to have 60 directors in a 1200 member corp. And look at how "successful" they are. We're not going to apologize for good management. What are you saying? You think Top Men would've fared better than Delta Force in PC?
Well we've won pretty much every time we've played them recently so.... |
jjoemike10 O'Conner
The Exemplars
Top Men.
19
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Posted - 2013.08.14 01:47:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:says the person who uses more ringers in PC than i do. at least use all four of my people tht are on. you have like 2 members of ur corp and the rest are ringers. We've used like one ringer max, in like the entirety of our time in PC, with the exception of the one match we hired NF. Skipper Jones wrote:Or some people that think they have all ultimate knowledge (such as yourself) and some people that have a different opinion. Not ultimate knowledge. Just more than you. ^_^ Top Men are the only ones that don't know what a ringer is. You guys are trying to recreate the definition given to a word by fps community long before dust was a thought.
Cubs seems to agree and im pretty sure he isn't in top men, pretty sure
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Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
466
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Posted - 2013.08.14 01:52:00 -
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A ringer is someone brought in from outside your "clan" because you either can't field someone who is up to par, or you are simply short x number of members for a particular fight.
in dust, the corp is effectively the "clan" of other games. If they are not from your corp, then they are not from your "clan" which makes them a ringer. Have a nice day. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1730
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Posted - 2013.08.14 01:54:00 -
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jjoemike10 O'Conner wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Aren't there corps in Eve with more than 1200 members in it? Delta Force & PRO had larger numbers than that on Dust. If a corp promotes 60 directors, then it is on them. Noone said there is a rule to have 60 directors in a 1200 member corp. And look at how "successful" they are. We're not going to apologize for good management. What are you saying? You think Top Men would've fared better than Delta Force in PC? Well we've won pretty much every time we've played them recently so....
You guys may have beaten them...but that doesn't mean you would have done better. DF got beaten out of pc by EoN corps during the cronos war. You guys exist because EoN has been trying to get new corps into pc. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1730
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Posted - 2013.08.14 01:56:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:A ringer is someone brought in from outside your "clan" because you either can't field someone who is up to par, or you are simply short x number of members for a particular fight.
in dust, the corp is effectively the "clan" of other games. If they are not from your corp, then they are not from your "clan" which makes them a ringer. Have a nice day.
Seems simple enough, right? But apparently it isn't |
Villanor Aquarius
Shattered Ascension
120
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Posted - 2013.08.14 02:05:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:A ringer is someone brought in from outside your "clan" because you either can't field someone who is up to par, or you are simply short x number of members for a particular fight.
in dust, the corp is effectively the "clan" of other games. If they are not from your corp, then they are not from your "clan" which makes them a ringer. Have a nice day. Seems simple enough, right? But apparently it isn't
The point you both miss if that for Top Men, our alliance is our "clan" our corps are parts of our group with their own identity and community but when it comes down to it we are "Top Men" i consider non alliance members to be from outside "my group"and therefore ringers. Those in my alliance cannot be ringers as they are part of the "clan."
By God is clan a foolish sounding name. A well run and integrated alliance is the ccp equivalent of a "clan."
Apply all your rules of ringers and such to that. If you consider others in your alliance as enough of an outsider, i recommend trying an alliance where that isn't the case. They are more stable, last longer, and are capable of providing more content to their members.
Or don't, see how it works out not doing it that way. Maybe it will be great or maybe it will turn out to be similar to eve. |
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Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
466
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Posted - 2013.08.14 02:06:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:A ringer is someone brought in from outside your "clan" because you either can't field someone who is up to par, or you are simply short x number of members for a particular fight.
in dust, the corp is effectively the "clan" of other games. If they are not from your corp, then they are not from your "clan" which makes them a ringer. Have a nice day. Seems simple enough, right? But apparently it isn't
well yeah, someone keeps trying to redefine the word clan while complaining about others, saying they're redefining ringers. the clan is the immediate group of friends and colleagues(corp), anything past that, and call it all you like, you're bringing in ringers. period. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
264
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Posted - 2013.08.14 02:29:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:What are you saying? You think Top Men would've fared better than Delta Force in PC?
We've beat them... four five times now? |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
264
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Posted - 2013.08.14 02:42:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:A ringer is someone brought in from outside your "clan" because you either can't field someone who is up to par, or you are simply short x number of members for a particular fight.
in dust, the corp is effectively the "clan" of other games. If they are not from your corp, then they are not from your "clan" which makes them a ringer. Have a nice day.
Realistically, clans and corps are nothing alike. We understand New Eden. You don't. Other games aren't DUST. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
466
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Posted - 2013.08.14 02:56:00 -
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Really? A corp is suddenly just a bunch of randoms? They are suddenly not even tangentially related to you? Yet to you, an alliance is a clan. people who are harder to talk with, organize with, and work with by consequence.
A clan is a group of people under the same "end of name" tag, the "end of name" tags in dust are the corp names, so they are, in effect the clans of dust. and ringers are people from outside your clan, period.
Conceptually, the clan and corp are the same thing. Just because you don't like it does not mean it changes. Dust is trying to be other games currently, so it gets the same metrics and concepts applied. Until it truly becomes it's own game with it's own concepts(1-5 years from now I'm guessing, until then, it will just be a generic sci-fi shooter) it will be in the same cadre of games like CoD, Battlefield, and Planetside. |
jjoemike10 O'Conner
The Exemplars
Top Men.
19
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Posted - 2013.08.14 03:01:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Really? A corp is suddenly just a bunch of randoms? They are suddenly not even tangentially related to you? Yet to you, an alliance is a clan. people who are harder to talk with, organize with, and work with by consequence.
A clan is a group of people under the same "end of name" tag, the "end of name" tags in dust are the corp names, so they are, in effect the clans of dust. and ringers are people from outside your clan, period.
Conceptually, the clan and corp are the same thing. Just because you don't like it does not mean it changes. Dust is trying to be other games currently, so it gets the same metrics and concepts applied. Until it truly becomes it's own game with it's own concepts(1-5 years from now I'm guessing, until then, it will just be a generic sci-fi shooter) it will be in the same cadre of games like CoD, Battlefield, and Planetside.
I won't agree or disagree, but who are you to decide? |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
466
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Posted - 2013.08.14 03:10:00 -
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Me? I'm just some guy who goes wherever his bastard sense takes him. It leads me to fights that no one else wants to fight, or is unwilling to fight in an eloquent, Sisyphean manner. I will roll my boulder of **** uphill, until it rolls down and crushes someone.
Respose to your question, more directly:
Who are you to decide that you're unequivocally right? Your answer lies there. |
jjoemike10 O'Conner
The Exemplars
Top Men.
19
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Posted - 2013.08.14 03:16:00 -
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And The same goes for you, no room to decide that you're right as well. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
466
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Posted - 2013.08.14 03:19:00 -
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Exactly. But someone just decides they're right for no other reason than they just don't want to listen to anyone for any reason? I'll take that fight 11 times out of 10 if it reaches my ears.
You're talking to someone who's argued non base ten math, colorblindness, and particle physics in the same paragraph, simply because someone tried to argue "basic facts" and say that their opinion carried the same weight as those. |
SkIlL Sh0oTeR
Shattered Ascension
58
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Posted - 2013.08.14 03:32:00 -
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you guys say that if they some one doesn't share the same tag as other people on their team then they are considered ringers, but look at all the people from top men who have posted on this thread what does it say right under their corp name "Top Men" so wouldn't that mean they technically share the same tag? |
Nomed Deeps
The Exemplars
Top Men.
178
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Posted - 2013.08.14 03:34:00 -
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Quite honestly, unless this argument is somehow related to PFC rules, I don't see the reason for it as people are going to play the way the want as they are free to do so. How each player defines ringer is also open to their own interpretation. |
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Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
466
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Posted - 2013.08.14 03:38:00 -
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Nomed Deeps wrote:Quite honestly, unless this argument is somehow related to PFC rules, I don't see the reason for it as people are going to play the way the want as they are free to do so. How each player defines ringer is also open to their own interpretation.
There isn't a reason, except for someone:
A: trying to assuage their guilty conscience.
B: Force their view on everyone else.
Both of which are wrong reasons. the first because if you feel bad doing it, then stop doing it. and the second because **** you, people are different, and they're not going to change just because you say to.
not directed at you of course, just pointing it out.
SkIlL Sh0oTeR wrote:you guys say that if they some one doesn't share the same tag as other people on their team then they are considered ringers, but look at all the people from top men who have posted on this thread what does it say right under their corp name "Top Men" so wouldn't that mean they technically share the same tag?
Nope. the corp is the tag shown in game, therefore it is the clan name, and not sharing one is a definition of a ringer. |
SkIlL Sh0oTeR
Shattered Ascension
58
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Posted - 2013.08.14 03:41:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Nomed Deeps wrote:Quite honestly, unless this argument is somehow related to PFC rules, I don't see the reason for it as people are going to play the way the want as they are free to do so. How each player defines ringer is also open to their own interpretation. There isn't a reason, except for someone: A: trying to assuage their guilty conscience. B: Force their view on everyone else. Both of which are wrong reasons. the first because if you feel bad doing it, then stop doing it. and the second because **** you, people are different, and they're not going to change just because you say to. not directed at you of course, just pointing it out. SkIlL Sh0oTeR wrote:you guys say that if they some one doesn't share the same tag as other people on their team then they are considered ringers, but look at all the people from top men who have posted on this thread what does it say right under their corp name "Top Men" so wouldn't that mean they technically share the same tag? Nope. the corp is the tag shown in game, therefore it is the clan name, and not sharing one is a definition of a ringer.
ehh thought i try. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted
Top Men.
265
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Posted - 2013.08.14 03:51:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Nope. the corp is the tag shown in game, therefore it is the clan name, and not sharing one is a definition of a ringer.
This particular game being really really incomplete and poorly implemented, does not make us wrong. ;) |
Nomed Deeps
The Exemplars
Top Men.
179
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Posted - 2013.08.14 03:52:00 -
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Quote:Nope. the corp is the tag shown in game, therefore it is the clan name, and not sharing one is a definition of a ringer.
Not to argue but that is not exactly true. As anyone who is actually a part of the alliance knows, there is no alliance UI in DUST where even purely DUST corps have to join their alliance from the EVE side. As soon as alliance UI is built into DUST, you should see alliance tags as well as corp tags in-game. As part of the alliance UI, there should be greater management tools for alliances as well. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
466
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Posted - 2013.08.14 03:55:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Nope. the corp is the tag shown in game, therefore it is the clan name, and not sharing one is a definition of a ringer. This particular game being really really incomplete and poorly implemented, does not make us wrong. ;)
You not being wrong doesn't automatically make you right. |
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Murder Cakes Of Doom
182
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Posted - 2013.08.14 09:43:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:says the person who uses more ringers in PC than i do. at least use all four of my people tht are on. you have like 2 members of ur corp and the rest are ringers. We've used like one ringer max, in like the entirety of our time in PC, with the exception of the one match we hired NF. Skipper Jones wrote:Or some people that think they have all ultimate knowledge (such as yourself) and some people that have a different opinion. Not ultimate knowledge. Just more than you. ^_^
i know i have ringed for you guys so the only ringer u have ever used was me. but u forgot al the exemplar ringers and dois X ringers.
and for some reason i doubt i have been ur only ringer i've seen u guys ask in public chats if u can get some ringers. i should know tht's how i ringed for top men. XD
btw top men is the only people who agree with u. and some others here and there. just trying to defend your point. which is not right BTW. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1730
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Posted - 2013.08.14 13:23:00 -
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I'm just sitting here watching Heathen pwn lol |
Villanor Aquarius
Shattered Ascension
120
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Posted - 2013.08.14 14:37:00 -
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Dios and exemplars are part of top men. |
jjoemike10 O'Conner
The Exemplars
Top Men.
19
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Posted - 2013.08.14 14:51:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:says the person who uses more ringers in PC than i do. at least use all four of my people tht are on. you have like 2 members of ur corp and the rest are ringers. We've used like one ringer max, in like the entirety of our time in PC, with the exception of the one match we hired NF. Skipper Jones wrote:Or some people that think they have all ultimate knowledge (such as yourself) and some people that have a different opinion. Not ultimate knowledge. Just more than you. ^_^ i know i have ringed for you guys so the only ringer u have ever used was me. but u forgot al the exemplar ringers and dois X ringers. and for some reason i doubt i have been ur only ringer i've seen u guys ask in public chats if u can get some ringers. i should know tht's how i ringed for top men. XD btw top men is the only people who agree with u. and some others here and there. just trying to defend your point. which is not right BTW.
I first off exemplars and dios ex are in top men. And secondly if you scroll through the Only people Really disagreeing are you, dubbs, that bastard guy, and skippy. |
jjoemike10 O'Conner
The Exemplars
Top Men.
19
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Posted - 2013.08.14 14:53:00 -
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Woops and zatara, my bad |
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