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Vrain Matari ZionTCD 686	Posted - 2013.08.14 17:36:00 - [121] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: Joseph Average wrote: Nova Knife wrote: ..the public (or at the very least; The CPM) needs .. The semi-colon does not require a capitalized letter after it. While we are being pedantic you should realize something; in that phrase, the semi-colon is too strong. There is no need for a semi-colon (or any punctuation). Munch +1 agreed(and for superior pedantry) ;)
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2725	Posted - 2013.08.15 00:54:00 - [122] - Quote I like how CCP went completely silent when this thread was made. We were at least getting a few troll posts. Keep fighting the good fight CPM0. I won't speak for the community, but I appreciate all of the effort you're putting into this endeavor.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 533	Posted - 2013.08.16 09:40:00 - [123] - Quote I hope CCP takes this seriously... they have, for now, lost my trust. I play more because I enjoy my community in my corp than the game itself. I know CCP can turn this around but its as you said nova knife, they must include the community and at most least the CPM in the development process or DUST will miss its mark completely... great thread!
Midas Fool Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 152	Posted - 2013.08.16 12:31:00 - [124] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: It's not doomsaying, it's calling out facts. Sorry, reality isn't made up of idealisms. It's calling out facts, sure. Sprinkled with a dose of doomsaying. I've noticed a trend of people using the pressure of doomsaying as leverage to make their point. Especially Nova Knife (just saying). And that isn't deep in the slightest. Real is not the opposite of real removes fedora. +0.9 CPM0 good to hear you guys are actually doing something to push this project forward. Your execution is always really strange at best but hey noone is truly seasoned quite yet. Should of just said that instead of trying to be witty, I suppose.
bethany valvetino Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 83	Posted - 2013.08.16 12:51:00 - [125] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: mollerz wrote: And that is a couple of examples in a long list. I heard CPM plays on closed servers with CCP? If this is true, is this where you play test future builds? Oh man, you have no idea how much we wish this were true. The mere existence of a test server would almost certainly have prevented so, so many issues. Edit: Expanding on that - All of our 'foreknowledge' of upcoming builds comes from idle chat on skype or rough outlines of patchnotes, and the semi-regular meeting we have for them to say "So, these are the highlights of our plan for 1.X, questions?" It's very rare for us to actually 'see' firsthand any of these changes. The only time this has been the case is when we got to see Uprising a little early at Fanfest (But then, so did everyone else who went to Fanfest.) We get some screenshots here and there for art stuff, but nothing nearly concrete enough or nearly as helpful as a test server would be. (There are /tons/ of roadblocks into getting a test server set up, and it's been a really tough sell trying to convince CCP of the merits of such a server, especially since we want such a server to be -public-) Having spent the last 10 years playing Eve, I read this with a heavy heart. Every thing in the OP post took me back to a time, before the Jita Riots, Before the Super Cap "balance"... to a time when the only T2 mod was a Mining Laz0r... and before the CSM (the eve CPM). It seems to me, that CCP with Dust have forgotten so much of what they learnt from Eve and the way they communicate with the player base. Everything from poorly implimented patches to stealth nerfs, that largely have been put right by CCP, with the help of the CSM. I wonder if Helma, remembers the promises made by him after the Jita riots.. promises of better communicate, a transparent process and above all, a CCP that listens and understand, we own the game every bit as much as CCP. I also wonder if he is foolish enough to think that the guys who play Eve and those that live in Dust are not the same people... the same people with long memories. It really sadness me to think that CCP are making the same mistakes with the Dust community and again failing to treat us with the respect, if nothing else our money deserves. CCP are a service company, they provide a service in the form of a game, most service industry companies would have gone out of business had they had the same outlook as CCP appears to have toward Dust. In fact, I honest feel that had Eve not been so good as a game that they would have already failed and it was only the sheer brilliance of Eve that kept the player base spending their $15 (-ú9.99) a month. Certainly, In eve it took 8 year nearly and a MASSIVE player protest before they finally got the message. If you want CCP to take notice, it seems to me... you have to hit them where it hurts, either in Eve (which is their baby and the only reason they can afford to run Dust) or in their wallets... stop buyiny Aurum, Tank Packs and boosters... While I think that the CSM does work in eve, it seems the CPM currently don't have the same fire power. On the subjected quoted... why the **** are we not given some access to SISI for testing? Eve players are and I know full well CCP get a great deal of good feedback and use SISI to ensure Eve patches are now nearly flawless. I find it shocking that the CPM have no access to this server, if not a select few of the grunts on Dust. In closing the one thing i would say is this. Dust will get better, CCP really do know how to build something amazing, given time, it took years to get eve right and even now it has it's flaws. The only way, however they will sort this is in the same way they did with Eve.. start to listern to your customers, we are not all half witted, crisp muching, sofa camping morons........
Kev Crow Bragian Order Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2013.08.16 13:02:00 - [126] - Quote D3LTA SUP3RMAN wrote: I agree with you 100% that the current CPM do not really represent the community in that they were hand picked by CCP. I hope the CPM understands the communities frustration with this. CCP's stance is that the CPM represents the community and the communities interests, however the community views the CPM as CCP's hand picked politicians used more so to squash problems and be a figure head, not actually a voice for what we want. Think about it: a delegation that is asked to represent a large group is hand picked by the opposition. You can't help but see the conflict of interest and our frustration. I think that perhaps we are overestimating the power of representation and so called democracy here. Because under closer examination straight forward parallels with real life politics and opposing political bodies don't really function here. CSM, CPM is a form of communication with the player base, and nothing more. As soon as CPM1 will be elected by the player base I can guarantee you that a big part of the community, ( usually players who's chosen candidate lost the elections ), will insist that the newly elected CPM members are only pushing the agenda of their own corp, alliance or power block and thus are not representing the whole community. From that point of view I fully agree with Iron Wolf, CCP definitely did the right thing by hand picking people for CPM0. By placing clueless people in that position in order to satisfy the appearance of community representation you risk derailing the whole process. @ Buster, CPM0 are definitely not clueless about the 'how to effectively communicate and work with CCP'. Their statement in this thread is the best evidence of their qualifications which in fact are more important then who actually picked them for that job. This is how I would brake it down: 1. If you have been around EVE for a while and have been observing the evolution of CSM you already understand that the current CPM is actually doing a great job. Heaving a successful ex-CSM member in their midst is definitely a big help here. 2. If you never liked the CSM idea... Well, their is no pleasing you no matter what. 3. If you are new to this concept but want to help CCP in their struggles, stop making false assumptions about CPM's privileged position of power. The success of the CSM / CPM's role has much more to do with the communication skills of their members, then with the so called sponsorship of their political power. Because in the end of the day this is not about democracy at all. It is CCP that bestows the "power" of such privileged communication on the community and not the other way around. We should try to think of CPM less as some kind of political body that grapples with CCP for the developers chair, and more like a diplomatic delegation trying to negotiate the best conditions for both sides. Therefore, while representation of the community, via an electoral process is definitely a very important part of that body, it is certainly not the most important. A good diplomat is not actually elected to his position but chosen based on the merits of his diplomatic skills. It is less important what are his personal views and how he got his position as long as he is a good listener and a skilled and unbiassed communicator. Moreover as I already pointed out above: being chosen by the community does not automatically guarantee unbiassed opinions or fair representation. Personally I would rather have a CPM member who knows something about how CCP thinks and how to talked to them rather then have someone who got elected because his main qualification is being a CEO of a large alliance and has promised to "his electorate" to assault the DEVs with all guns blazing if elected. By the same token even being an FPS veteran with vast experience playing different games and therefore a good understanding what may work in DUST does not automatically translate into to a good CPM. Over the last decade CCP has definitely grown as a business, unfortunately as they grow into a bigger company they risk loosing their touch with reality so to speak. And while the record shows that CCP's higher management is deeply committed to working with the player community on an unprecedented level, (Show me another company which has successfully implemented something resembling CSM), CPM and CSM are definitely here to helped them to keep it real, and sound the alarm every time they drop the ball. In my mind there is no doubt that, so far, this is exactly what CPM0 has done and that each one of them are active members of this community, regardless who chose them to fulfil the CPM role. Trying to insist that they don't really represent us or that if WE chose them things would somehow magically improve is not only counter productive but shows either a gross misunderstanding of CPM's actual role or is a cheap troll. Because, if you already are convinced that the current CPM is only a CCP puppet devised to manipulate or influence the community, you will not be able to spot any improvements in communication even if they hit you right on the face.
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 81	Posted - 2013.08.17 10:35:00 - [127] - Quote bethany valvetino wrote: On the subjected quoted... why the **** are we not given some access to SISI for testing? Eve players are and I know full well CCP get a great deal of good feedback and use SISI to ensure Eve patches are now nearly flawless. I find it shocking that the CPM have no access to this server, if not a select few of the grunts on Dust. Because of the way games distribution on consoles work. On the PC (no, it's not an argument that Dust should be ported over there ;) CCP can update the download servers by itself and put out patches on a daily basis. On consoles you have to go through an intermediary like Sony or MS, pay them for the update, go through their QA (I suppose it's pretty easy to brick a console with some bad code - remember the boot.ini situation from EVE? Here it's worse) and wait for a store update which happens weekly. By the time your codebase has already changed so much that the build is outdated.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1750	Posted - 2013.08.19 02:51:00 - [128] - Quote An update : We're going to be having this meeting with "Upper management" about this in a few hours. At the end of which, we're going to immediately seek permission to share with the public what ground we've covered, and hopefully have some really good stuff to post here as a result. It make take a few hours to get something written up as we go back through our meeting notes, so don't expect a super prompt update following, but there will be an update to follow ASAP.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1766	Posted - 2013.08.19 09:02:00 - [129] - Quote Okay. Update #4 : We have had our meeting. CCP and the CPM hashed our our general feels and talked about the process moving forward. A rough charter for the CPM is being drawn up, which will be a document that details the goals & process by which we interact with CCP in their release planning. We have no serious goals or commitments from CCP to post at this time, as we need to follow up after the charter is drawn up.... but this meeting was a pretty huge deal. It took /years/ for the CSM to be involved in release planning. For CCP to be willing to involve the CPM in this after merely months, is a /huge/ step. The key thing here is... finding a gentle groove to make this work. This is something we'll be working with CCP on in the future. So.. The foundation for good news is set. We'll see what the future brings, if things keep looking up.
zzZaXxx The Exemplars Top Men. 188	Posted - 2013.08.19 11:06:00 - [130] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Okay. Update #4 : We have had our meeting. CCP and the CPM hashed our our general feels and talked about the process moving forward. A rough charter for the CPM is being drawn up, which will be a document that details the goals & process by which we interact with CCP in their release planning. We have no serious goals or commitments from CCP to post at this time, as we need to follow up after the charter is drawn up.... but this meeting was a pretty huge deal. It took /years/ for the CSM to be involved in release planning. For CCP to be willing to involve the CPM in this after merely months, is a /huge/ step. The key thing here is... finding a gentle groove to make this work. This is something we'll be working with CCP on in the future. So.. The foundation for good news is set. We'll see what the future brings, if things keep looking up. Okay.... I hope more can be said about it than that. This meeting was the big good news that came out of CPMs statement right?

Hobo on Fire Goonfeet Top Men. 29	Posted - 2013.08.19 13:26:00 - [131] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Okay.... I hope more can be said about it than that. This meeting was the big good news that came out of CPMs statement right? What (I hope) he is saying is that CCP will actually let the CPM into the loop as far as what goes into each patch, and (again, I hope) actually have some influence on the patch content. Basically, letting them do the job they were supposed to do from the get go.
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 165	Posted - 2013.08.19 14:41:00 - [132] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: We have no serious goals or commitments from CCP to post at this time, as we need to follow up after the charter is drawn up.... Do you have clear commitments from CCP about what types of interaction between them and the CPM should be in the charter? Not asking for details but if you came away with literally no commitments from CCP then I couldn't care less about this news, the charter, or the CPM's recent efforts.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1778	Posted - 2013.08.19 17:45:00 - [133] - Quote Aqil Aegivan wrote: Do you have clear commitments from CCP about what types of interaction between them and the CPM should be in the charter? Not asking for details but if you came away with literally no commitments from CCP then I couldn't care less about this news, the charter, or the CPM's recent efforts. We have settled on a general direction of where we want to go, and what they want to use us for. The clear, concrete stuff will come when the charter is done, and we have another meeting(s) following that regarding this to discussion the application of the charter in reality. We're suffering no delusions that this is going to be quick and easy. It's going to be rough for a little while, as everyone settles in and we try to find the best way to make this work. It's hard to find a place to stick the CPM and CCP in as much as both parties would like, simply because of the rapid development cycle. They pretty much have like two weeks of work, a week of polish, then like a week of QA, then launch. For as long as they're doing these monthly releases, taking devs away for bi-weekly meetings like the CSM has, isn't as helpful or productive. So, they've been laying the process out for us and like I said above... We're going to try to settle on the best stages in the design process to include the CPM, and the best stages to involve the community. The big thing here is that everyone agreed that feedback needs to be accounted for earlier, before something is unable to be changed if a glaring problem is spotted. We recognize though... that sometimes there simply isn't time to rework something in cases like that. When I said "We have no serious goals or commitments to post from CCP at this time", that should not be read as if this meeting didn't help. It was more to acknowledge that the CPM understands that there's no way this stuff is going to be hashed out in a single hour long meeting. It's going to take work, and it's not going to be perfect at first. The first public stuff we'll be able to post and let you guys know "This is how things between CCP and the CPM will be moving forward" will be once the charter is drawn up.
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 703	Posted - 2013.08.19 17:53:00 - [134] - Quote Hobo on Fire wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Okay.... I hope more can be said about it than that. This meeting was the big good news that came out of CPMs statement right? What (I hope) he is saying is that CCP will actually let the CPM into the loop as far as what goes into each patch, and (again, I hope) actually have some influence on the patch content. Basically, letting them do the job they were supposed to do from the get go. That is correct.
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 703	Posted - 2013.08.19 18:01:00 - [135] - Quote Aqil Aegivan wrote: Nova Knife wrote: We have no serious goals or commitments from CCP to post at this time, as we need to follow up after the charter is drawn up.... Do you have clear commitments from CCP about what types of interaction between them and the CPM should be in the charter? Not asking for details but if you came away with literally no commitments from CCP then I couldn't care less about this news, the charter, or the CPM's recent efforts. In this case I think we're all using "nothing's firm" as a boilerplate caveat, not because we actually have serious doubts that CCP is going to follow through and draft a charter. We'd already gotten confirmation that work had begun on the charter anyways before the meeting took place, including conversations with CCP Xhagen who founded the CSM. The meeting simply gave greater context to this as well as gave the CPM input into what needs to go into such a charter and how we see ourselves as assets in this process to be established. And, of course, to discuss a number of other related communication issues and potential solutions. That being said, I don't fault anyone at all for a "We'll believe it when we see it" attitude in the aftermath. It'll take some time to establish public faith in the process, and that's perfectly reasonable.
Kain Spero Spero Escrow Services 1953	Posted - 2013.08.19 18:09:00 - [136] - Quote Leading up to the meeting the situation and attitudes seemed fairly grim. CCP's openness and honesty during the meeting was a breath of fresh air to say the least. I'm personally feeling much better about the situation, but again it's going to come down to the actions that are taken. Words will only take us so far. I did get the sense that CCP genuinely cares about both the community and the opportunity that the CPM represents to facilitate community interaction. There is a reason that CPM0 is in many ways a "beta" council in that many of these processes are being and will continue to be iterated. I think that the real signs of actionable progress will be in the charter, which I'm happy to see will help to put us on the path to player elections and begin to lay the foundations for CPM1. Seeing a path through the fog where we actually have a foundation of communication with CCP laid that will allow for meaningful player representation has given me a much brighter outlook on the situation.
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1120	Posted - 2013.08.19 19:25:00 - [137] - Quote I wonder what a commitment to the Confucian ideal of Ren would look like in this dynamic business relationship with a variety of interests and stakeholders. It could be empowering.... Or corny...
Cygnus Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 124	Posted - 2013.08.19 22:28:00 - [138] - Quote Wow. Keep fighting the 'good fight' CPM. DUST is so far off track and falls so short of the original vision and promise you could write a book on it, but the CPM open letter here just seems like paragraph after paragraph of "pay attention to me!" Not even worthy of a chapter. When I think CCP Shanghai the first thing that pops into my head now is "Timegate Studios" and "Aliens: Colonial Marines." Tweaks aren't going to cut it, guys. The fundamental mission here has absolutely failed. CCP needs to fundamentally rethink everything, and it's going to be expensive if DUST is to be saved. Right now it just seems to me like nobody wants to make a decision and CCP is just going to keep treading water until the server population has 10 active players and it's typical hoard of AFK SP floaters. With that in mind, what difference do you think paying attention to the community makes? There's a serious lack of talent, vision, and focus in Shanghai. That's the elephant in the room, my friends.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7526	Posted - 2013.08.19 23:27:00 - [139] - Quote I felt much better coming out of the meeting for sure and my optimism for useful future CPMs as been better realized. Just waiting for the said concrete mix now, being able to inspect the contents and mix before pouring it.
Cygnus Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 124	Posted - 2013.08.19 23:52:00 - [140] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I felt much better coming out of the meeting for sure and my optimism for useful future CPMs as been better realized. Just waiting for the said concrete mix now, being able to inspect the contents and mix before pouring it. And as for Dust 514 itself is just like concrete; bigger the slab the longer it takes to dry. CCP nearly had to recycle all the previous concrete to make a new foundation before we can build upon in. Hopefully this time we are going to lay it down proper. I didn't follow your metaphor at all. Are you saying they really are rethinking it from the ground up (Unreal 5?) or are we going to use plaster and bubblegum to fill the cracks in your concrete slab?

Vrain Matari ZionTCD 709	Posted - 2013.08.20 01:43:00 - [141] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Aqil Aegivan wrote: Do you have clear commitments from CCP about what types of interaction between them and the CPM should be in the charter? Not asking for details but if you came away with literally no commitments from CCP then I couldn't care less about this news, the charter, or the CPM's recent efforts. ... So, they've been laying the process out for us and like I said above... We're going to try to settle on the best stages in the design process to include the CPM, and the best stages to involve the community. The big thing here is that everyone agreed that feedback needs to be accounted for earlier, before something is unable to be changed if a glaring problem is spotted. We recognize though... that sometimes there simply isn't time to rework something in cases like that. ... This is the heart of it imo. An opportunity for the CPM and the community to eyeball the outline and maybe a bit of the details of ideas before they become set in stone. It will make all the difference in the world, for DUST, for CCP, for the community. For New Eden. Good work CPM, you did what needed to be done. And kudos to CCP for the willingness to open up. The news that comes out of this once the charter is hammered out between stakeholders will be more important than any patch. For better or for worse.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2000	Posted - 2013.08.20 14:47:00 - [142] - Quote I'd hoped for something more solid out of the meeting, but hopefully something will come of it sooner rather than later.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2437	Posted - 2013.08.21 21:18:00 - [143] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Leading up to the meeting the situation and attitudes seemed fairly grim. CCP's openness and honesty during the meeting was a breath of fresh air to say the least. I'm personally feeling much better about the situation, but again it's going to come down to the actions that are taken. Words will only take us so far. I did get the sense that CCP genuinely cares about both the community and the opportunity that the CPM represents to facilitate community interaction. There is a reason that CPM0 is in many ways a "beta" council in that many of these processes are being and will continue to be iterated. I think that the real signs of actionable progress will be in the charter, which I'm happy to see will help to put us on the path to player elections and begin to lay the foundations for CPM1. Seeing a path through the fog where we actually have a foundation of communication with CCP laid that will allow for meaningful player representation has given me a much brighter outlook on the situation. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1201860#post1201860 Still feel like progress is being made?
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2911	Posted - 2013.08.24 01:55:00 - [144] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Leading up to the meeting the situation and attitudes seemed fairly grim. CCP's openness and honesty during the meeting was a breath of fresh air to say the least. I'm personally feeling much better about the situation, but again it's going to come down to the actions that are taken. Words will only take us so far. I did get the sense that CCP genuinely cares about both the community and the opportunity that the CPM represents to facilitate community interaction. There is a reason that CPM0 is in many ways a "beta" council in that many of these processes are being and will continue to be iterated. I think that the real signs of actionable progress will be in the charter, which I'm happy to see will help to put us on the path to player elections and begin to lay the foundations for CPM1. Seeing a path through the fog where we actually have a foundation of communication with CCP laid that will allow for meaningful player representation has given me a much brighter outlook on the situation. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1201860#post1201860 Still feel like progress is being made? I read that post, and immediately felt someone kick me square in the balls.
IMMORTAL WAR HERO Ill Omens 11	Posted - 2013.08.26 06:47:00 - [145] - Quote I would really like to be able to run and jump faster
AKCP Scion Lex DUST University Ivy League 49	Posted - 2013.08.26 19:44:00 - [146] - Quote TL;DR well I read the CPM comments I simply would like to thank the CPM for applying such pressure to the development team. The idea that none of the progress of the CSM transferred to the CPM relationship is a bit surprising, but makes perfect sense. Everything in your statement is clear and accurate. It also demonstrates that THIS community is more than capable of providing feedback and participating in the development review as peers.....and should be seen as no less than peers at least as it applies to members of the CPM. For those of you that havent this is a good read as well. http://hansshotfirst.blogspot.de/ LEX ///
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 249	Posted - 2013.08.30 13:30:00 - [147] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Leading up to the meeting the situation and attitudes seemed fairly grim. CCP's openness and honesty during the meeting was a breath of fresh air to say the least. I'm personally feeling much better about the situation, but again it's going to come down to the actions that are taken. Words will only take us so far. I did get the sense that CCP genuinely cares about both the community and the opportunity that the CPM represents to facilitate community interaction. There is a reason that CPM0 is in many ways a "beta" council in that many of these processes are being and will continue to be iterated. I think that the real signs of actionable progress will be in the charter, which I'm happy to see will help to put us on the path to player elections and begin to lay the foundations for CPM1. Seeing a path through the fog where we actually have a foundation of communication with CCP laid that will allow for meaningful player representation has given me a much brighter outlook on the situation. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1201860#post1201860 Still feel like progress is being made? I read that post, and immediately felt someone kick me square in the balls. Just hilarious. 1.4 is going to be my make or break update.
CLONE ALPHA 001 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:46:00 - [148] - Quote CPM Y U LET THEM MAKE AUTO AIM?
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 96	Posted - 2013.09.05 15:31:00 - [149] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Leading up to the meeting the situation and attitudes seemed fairly grim. CCP's openness and honesty during the meeting was a breath of fresh air to say the least. I'm personally feeling much better about the situation, but again it's going to come down to the actions that are taken. Words will only take us so far. I did get the sense that CCP genuinely cares about both the community and the opportunity that the CPM represents to facilitate community interaction. There is a reason that CPM0 is in many ways a "beta" council in that many of these processes are being and will continue to be iterated. I think that the real signs of actionable progress will be in the charter, which I'm happy to see will help to put us on the path to player elections and begin to lay the foundations for CPM1. Seeing a path through the fog where we actually have a foundation of communication with CCP laid that will allow for meaningful player representation has given me a much brighter outlook on the situation. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1201860#post1201860 Still feel like progress is being made? I read that post, and immediately felt someone kick me square in the balls. Just hilarious. 1.4 is going to be my make or break update. Let me guess... break?
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 258	Posted - 2013.09.06 22:18:00 - [150] - Quote Yep. They kept mouse crippled while giving an overpowered 'aim assist' to controller users.



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