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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
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Posted - 2013.08.12 03:53:00 -
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Hello again guys and gals. I just got back into town from my nephew's wedding, so if any of you have tried to reach me the last 48 hours I apologize. Many thanks to Nova for posting our statement, and to everyone else - feel free to poke us through the usual channels if you have anything you want to share or discuss directly, otherwise we'll of course be monitoring this thread for feedback as well.
I appreciate all the kind words of support from the community here as well, it looks like the time and effort we put into the statement and its preparation was worthwhile. I'm looking forward to seeing the constructive conversation this will hopefully provide between CCP and the player community as we continue to move forward.
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
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Posted - 2013.08.12 03:58:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:I always assumed that 95% of CCP Shanghai did not speak english.
Language Barrier
Just to clear this up, none of the CCP staff we've ever engaged with have had any problems with English. The management of the Shanghai studio is almost completely made up of expats, and English is the required operational language spoken inside the company.
Good guess Regnummyummytummy - but unfortunately this goes deeper than anything hiring some translators could fix. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:15:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:I fail to see why a properly elected CPM couldn't be working with CCP to improve things just as effectively as the unelected CPM0. All we need is elections. That's all CPM0 should be doing - providing the framework to deliver CPM1. By this measure, they're as delinquent as CCP in delivering milestones.
Still a good effort, I just think it's on the wrong goals.
Because the whole point of our statement was to highlight the areas where CCP needs to improve their working relationship with the CPM, to bring it to the level that everyone's come to expect from the CSM over the years. In other words, they're NOT using us anywhere near as effectively as they could. Replacing us with elected individuals won't magically make CCP integrate us into their development process anymore than they do now. It just means you'll have a new CPM who's make-up will largely be determined by a popularity contest, that still has all the same challenges ahead convincing CCP to work with them. And depending on the individuals elected, CCP may be more or less willing to respect their feedback (After all, the players could elect trolls or large alliance leaders that may or may not have the capability of remaining professional and effective in a time of crisis).
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:37:00 -
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Shadow of War88 wrote:b straight with me, is dust dying? 
I think the appropriate analogy is that a sick patient has been stabilized in the operating room for the time being, but the CPM wants to make sure that the doctor's orders from here out include plenty of exercise and proper nutrition so that the patient doesn't end up right back in the hospital a few months down the road. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:12:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote: See, I agree that all this needs to be done, but I don't agree that the CPM0's ideas of how Dust should look different have any merit because the entire point of the CPM is to represent players - which you don't.
Now I'm sorry to derail this as I have. The point from the OP is valid. Hopefully it helps. I still feel the CPM0 should be moving aside as quickly as possible, rather than trying to fix Dust.
Whether we represent the players' ideas or not has little to do without our method of selection, and everything to do with our willingness to listen to the community and forward their feedback.
Elected officials and alliance leaders can still give the finger to the community, and give CCP their own terrible ideas. And even appointed officials can listen and share community feedback to CCP without letting personal opinion get in the way.
In other words, its not the elections that matter - its the conduct of the council members once they are on the council you should be paying attention to at all times. If you feel we are letting our personal opinions or perspectives override community sentiment you should create a thread here in the Council's Chambers outlining why you believe we are failing as representatives, and provide concrete examples.
Otherwise, its silly to say that just because we weren't elected we are somehow incapable of bringing community feedback to CCP. That assumption is also dangerous - if you believe that elections somehow guarantee a council member's objectivity, you're setting yourself up to be blind to an elected CPM official doing a terrible job down the road as well, because you gave the election system too much trust to begin with. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
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Posted - 2013.08.13 03:54:00 -
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Once again Buster, if you're so committed to the idea that we're not representing the player base via our recommendations to CCP, put some effort into it, start a thread and state your case using linked, verifiable examples. Otherwise you're going to continue to look fairly silly ranting about repression, dictatorships and government - the last of which (government) is hugely indicative of your lack of understanding about our mission in the first place. The CPM does not exist to govern anything, really. We're a volunteer community advocate group. Ultimately, its the community that gets to decide whether we advocate for their needs, not just you. If the feedback to your comments in this thread is any indication than its pretty clear that you are the one that is out of touch with the majority here, not the CPM.
Thanks to everyone else in the meantime for keeping the discussion focused and constructive. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:59:00 -
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No one's going to find anything out, because you failed to link them any examples or evidence to support your claim that we are off promoting our own agenda instead of that of the community. It's no surprise that you ended up with 5 pages of bacon comments and not even a single like to your OP.
I'd say the thread speaks for itself.  |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:53:00 -
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Hobo on Fire wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:
Okay....
I hope more can be said about it than that. This meeting was the big good news that came out of CPMs statement right?
What (I hope) he is saying is that CCP will actually let the CPM into the loop as far as what goes into each patch, and (again, I hope) actually have some influence on the patch content. Basically, letting them do the job they were supposed to do from the get go.
That is correct. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
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Posted - 2013.08.19 18:01:00 -
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Aqil Aegivan wrote:Nova Knife wrote:We have no serious goals or commitments from CCP to post at this time, as we need to follow up after the charter is drawn up.... Do you have clear commitments from CCP about what types of interaction between them and the CPM should be in the charter? Not asking for details but if you came away with literally no commitments from CCP then I couldn't care less about this news, the charter, or the CPM's recent efforts.
In this case I think we're all using "nothing's firm" as a boilerplate caveat, not because we actually have serious doubts that CCP is going to follow through and draft a charter. We'd already gotten confirmation that work had begun on the charter anyways before the meeting took place, including conversations with CCP Xhagen who founded the CSM. The meeting simply gave greater context to this as well as gave the CPM input into what needs to go into such a charter and how we see ourselves as assets in this process to be established. And, of course, to discuss a number of other related communication issues and potential solutions.
That being said, I don't fault anyone at all for a "We'll believe it when we see it" attitude in the aftermath. It'll take some time to establish public faith in the process, and that's perfectly reasonable. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:18:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Still feel like progress is being made?
No.
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:20:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:I blame Laurino.
CCP's had plenty of time since than to get this going. Laurino was long gone by the time this statement was made, and its been two months since our statement. Safe to say the problem was not with him where the CPM is concerned. |
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