Hit detection/Aiming is broken.

An AOE weapon is most popular. Who'd a thunk it?

Wait for Hit Detection to be fixed.

This isn't a diversity issue. CCP can still come up with a lot of new weapons, in fact, the is a thread that CCP Wolfman started for generating ideas for new weapons.

The issue i'm talking about stems from a competitive gameplay level. Would damage drop off be so bad? You would still be able to dish out the same DPS that MDs are getting now, but only if they can shoot with enough precision and foresight to land a shot right next to you.

Currently, this weapon's "area denial" effect is the same type of area denial every other blatantly overpowered weapon in the past has (TAC, Viziam, Contact Nades, Core Flaylocks). Currently, it's a killer's weapon, not a crowd control weapon.

Except the Mass Driver doesn't do too much damage or anything like that... the thing that makes the Mass Driver overpowered in a skilled players hands is it's too easy to use, too easy to have 3-4 guys spam splash damage with 99% accuracy .

Adjustments need to be made for the sake of competitive gaming, if CCP still wants this game to be competitive.

There really isn't a good counter to a team of TP .

@GAYLOCK Steve

I thought we already established you as "irrelevant", therefore nothing you say matters.

It's pretty much indisputable that the Mass Driver is the easy, new-to-first-person-shooters, weapon.

Here fixed that for you. Im not going to say the MD is fine or doesnt need further tweaking. But I will say that if your basis for your argument is because TP spammed MD in a PC and beat your side, that is not enough of a case my friend.

Lets say you completely removed Mass Drivers from the game.

You dont think TP will find another weapon to (ab)use to get the W?

They could come out with 16 Laser rifles/Nova Knives and figure out a way to shut down other teams. They are just that good together.

- Nerf TP, not the weapon because TP spammed it.

- Collect more data and prove a point as to why the MD needs nerfing. CCP does this already.

- Balance weapons for BOTH pub matches and PC. While I agree that weapon balancing should take PC battles into effect, the majority of the player base is not participating, nor has any desire to participate in PC. It was supposed to be the End Game, but it simply is not. The mechanics behind it are borked and weird and only the top elite corps have any chance at being "successful" there and even they will admit the success is not all that grand, yet.

Lol. I saw laser rifles and nova knives and stop reading. It is extremely obvious that does 2 weapons require more skill then a MD.So PC will be bbasically explosives again, MD and Core locs.

Here fixed that for you. Im not going to say the MD is fine or doesnt need further tweaking. But I will say that if your basis for your argument is because TP spammed MD in a PC and beat your side, that is not enough of a case my friend.

Lets say you completely removed Mass Drivers from the game.

You dont think TP will find another weapon to (ab)use to get the W?

They could come out with 16 Laser rifles/Nova Knives and figure out a way to shut down other teams. They are just that good together.

- Nerf TP, not the weapon because TP spammed it.

- Collect more data and prove a point as to why the MD needs nerfing. CCP does this already.

- Balance weapons for BOTH pub matches and PC. While I agree that weapon balancing should take PC battles into effect, the majority of the player base is not participating, nor has any desire to participate in PC. It was supposed to be the End Game, but it simply is not. The mechanics behind it are borked and weird and only the top elite corps have any chance at being "successful" there and even they will admit the success is not all that grand, yet.

/facepalm... it was an exaggerated example, pick any weapon you want and put it in place. you failure.

As for data, you need to talk to any competitive player that participates in PC. Even Mass Driver users who've skilled into it's proficiency say it needs tweaking. I probably shouldn't have mentioned the Teamplayers at all, because it's pretty irrelevant to the argument. I suppose I was just caught up in telling a story. Though it is interesting to mention how, during the first match, it was a pretty close game.

And guess what?

Very minimal MD spam. I think they had like 1 or 2 guys up in the catwalks total. The second match, we would have been redlined if it weren't for uplink spam.

And guess what? MD spam was everywhere.

I think you are missing the big picture I am trying to paint fo ryou. GO back in history.. how many weapons have people cried for nerfs? Before PC, during and After? The list is endless. The difference now, instead of 8v8 corp battles and pubs to slowly draw attention to the FOTM weapons, we now have PC. A direct proving ground where everyone will use any weapon they can to gain the W.

There will ALWAYS be a FOTM weapon. Until the day CCP decides to go the route of other FPS shooters and remove the diversity. Thats what diversity is all about. Who can come up with the latest and greatest way to skill up their merc, use equipment, and terrain to get the W. If you do not adapt yourself and use something to counter, or use the same FOTM weapon, these nerf threads will never end.

Tweak this, tweak that, go right ahead and tweak/nerf/buff all day long. These threads will never go away because teams that use teamwork, coordination, strategy and the most useful weapons will always come out on top in PC. It is the quintessential min/max game mode. If you are waiting patiently for your weapon of choice to become relevant in PC you will be waiting a very long time. If you have the patience, great. If you want to compete, adapt anyway that you can.. To say there is no counter to MD spam is to lie to yourself. Get better.

I think you are missing the big picture I am trying to paint fo ryou. GO back in history.. how many weapons have people cried for nerfs? Before PC, during and After? The list is endless. The difference now, instead of 8v8 corp battles and pubs to slowly draw attention to the FOTM weapons, we now have PC. A direct proving ground where everyone will use any weapon they can to gain the W.

There will ALWAYS be a FOTM weapon. Until the day CCP decides to go the route of other FPS shooters and remove the diversity. Thats what diversity is all about. Who can come up with the latest and greatest way to skill up their merc, use equipment, and terrain to get the W. If you do not adapt yourself and use something to counter, or use the same FOTM weapon, these nerf threads will never end.

Tweak this, tweak that, go right ahead and tweak/nerf/buff all day long. These threads will never go away because teams that use teamwork, coordination, strategy and the most useful weapons will always come out on top in PC. It is the quintessential min/max game mode. If you are waiting patiently for your weapon of choice to become relevant in PC you will be waiting a very long time. If you have the patience, great. If you want to compete, adapt anyway that you can.. To say there is no counter to MD spam is to lie to yourself. Get better.

I don't know what you are talking about. Nobody in the Massholes community (we have a channel) is saying it's UP. Infact, most of us agree that a small nerf to the splash radius is needed.

Friendly fire is the answer. As to why the developer continue to want to create a care bear game is beyond me, but as long as explosives can be spammed on top of groups of blues that are actually engaged in a gun battles this will happen. Add friendly fire and mass drivers will decrease, when your killing three blues for every one red people will see what situations are appropriate for its use and will diminish them when not appropriate.

I played a PC match yesterday. And wow, I got destroyed the second match. I'm willing to be that the majority of you, who think the Mass driver is in a good place right now, probably play Instant battle 99% of the time, like me. The problem here is that the random players (and also thanks to 400wp debacle) are pretty terrible and the mass driver is easy to ignore. I'm an Amarr Assault and specced into amarr ****, so to me, the mass driver was no more different than the Assault rifle. Just like some people are terrible with ARs, some people are terrible with Mass Drivers. Some people are really good with ARs, some people are good with Mass Drivers.

That's what I USED to think. Until **** hit the fan.

I played my first couple of competitive matches yesterday. The first game, I hardly died to mass drivers, died a few times to them but I felt all my deaths during the first match was fair. I think I went 14 kills and 7 or 9 deaths or something against Teamplayers.

Then the second match started and WTF.... Nearly every person I personally ran into had Mass Drivers and I must have died 10 or 12 times to Mass Drivers alone. This DEFINITELY put Mass Drivers on my radar. These things were inescapable. So I began thinking....
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Friendly fire is the answer. As to why the developer continue to want to create a care bear game is beyond me, but as long as explosives can be spammed on top of groups of blues that are actually engaged in a gun battles this will happen. Add friendly fire and mass drivers will decrease, when your killing three blues for every one red people will see what situations are appropriate for its use and will diminish them when not appropriate.

The second match was one sided. Danny did a great job. I didn't do so well, but my squad was able to accomplish it's objective. That was the TWO mass driver users. TWO. Exmaple was all up on it last night too... Shotgun in an open field against MD... what do you expect? There are ways that you can deal with TWO mass drivers... You just aren't doing them.

Most of the time I saw you in those matches, you were oblivious... You are going to die a lot like that. I am all for complaiing about PC balance, but there are so many people on your team more qualified to do such things.

You run slow suits and put yourself out of position... You deserve every death you got. I've never seen you before in any of the IE/AE exile matches, and you are going to come in here and complain about TWO mass drivers?

Not true... PC has friendly fire and suffers explosive spam much worse than pubs do.

Friendly fire in pubs will destroy this game, the amount of griefing that would spawn from intentional team killing is a sure fire way to make sure this game dies in a heartbeat.

I'm not going to argue with you about PC balance discussion qualifications. I've already stated that those two matches where the first competitive games i've played in months. So i'm going to be a little behind on current PC strategies and tactics.

Go ahead and take what I say with a grain of salt if you must.

These are just my observations, you guys make of it what you will.

Btw ff in public matches is not a new concept is in most of the better games and won't blow people's minds and ruin the game. What's the deal I thought TP was started as a Socom clan? FF will ruin the game GTFO newb.

I don't think you know what you are talking about


You're telling me that we need diversity, yet at the same time you submit to the fact that FOTM exist. THEN you tell me to get better because you somehow think you know how to counter MD spam with teamwork.


Yeah, sure.

I don't know anything about Socom, I joined TP on Dust. But I know this isn't Socom.

The amount of griefing you would see in a F2P game with team killing enabled? You cannot tell me this game wouldn't be riddled with griefing, people just happy as can be to destroy other people's proto suits just cause they can.

Its not a new concept, and almost no games adopt it... that should tell you enough right there.

Name an FPS where FOTM does not exist? Something has to be better than the next for certain situations otherwise we might as well go play checkers. The most successful people tend to use the best weapons for those circumstances. The people who cry about it are those who failed to do the same. See every FPS in the history of gaming as an example.

Is this your first time at the rodeo son? Perhaps you dont know what you are talking about... thats cool, nobody is perfect. :)

MD are OP we need that nerf back in uprising 1.0.