+1 best trolling toy ever

When you give one of these very skilled players a Mass Driver, guess what happens? He can't miss. His helpless opponent cannot dodge, strafe, run for cover at all. He has essentially denied the helpless man the "2) Who can avoid the most damage" rule of this game. ALSO, he has crippled the helpless man's ability to just "stand his ground" and out DPS the Mass Driver because the MD jerks his screen around and clouds his vision with smoke. There is no reason to use any other weapon in a competitive match, (actually I take that back there needs to be a Forge gun sniping objectives). I try and go the High DPS route with my proficiency lvl 5, 2 cmplx dmg mods, charge shot imperial scrambler rifle, but all the DPS is meaningless in a duel with Mass Drivers. I could kill other suits/guns just fine if I got a bead on my opponent fast enough. But those MDs were impossible.

My two cents.

In battles where MD actually claims most kills it's the assault MD that is used. That weapon is prolly on the OP side. Likewise it's the most skill independent MD as it is designed for wide AoE blindfire. You will also see that 'better corps' who traditionally go for OP stuff all flock to ASSAULT md.

Then we have regular MD. All the crying AR 'leet' players who score high KDR on boards inevitably try this and realize that they cant do as well with it, then go back to AR and cry about MD in general on the forums. The regular MD is the work horse of ppl who play with MD. Now it's prolly well balanced in the game.

Lastly breach MD. This thing is so broken (like breach SG) that no amount of skill will make up for it. No one is using it. It's def UP.

Hm...

I'm pretty sure this is only happening because of broken aiming, I hardly had issues vs other MD users back on Chromosome. The MD as it is now is actually nerfed, if it didn't get nerfed then the base splash dmg on the PRO would've been around 150 (10% dmg bonus done to weapons in Uprising update).

I played a PC match yesterday. And wow, I got destroyed the second match. I'm willing to be that the majority of you, who think the Mass driver is in a good place right now, probably play Instant battle 99% of the time, like me. The problem here is that the random players (and also thanks to 400wp debacle) are pretty terrible and the mass driver is easy to ignore. I'm an Amarr Assault and specced into amarr ****, so to me, the mass driver was no more different than the Assault rifle. Just like some people are terrible with ARs, some people are terrible with Mass Drivers. Some people are really good with ARs, some people are good with Mass Drivers.

That's what I USED to think. Until **** hit the fan.

I played my first couple of competitive matches yesterday. The first game, I hardly died to mass drivers, died a few times to them but I felt all my deaths during the first match was fair. I think I went 14 kills and 7 or 9 deaths or something against Teamplayers.

Then the second match started and WTF.... Nearly every person I personally ran into had Mass Drivers and I must have died 10 or 12 times to Mass Drivers alone. This DEFINITELY put Mass Drivers on my radar. These things were inescapable. So I began thinking....


Casual vs Competitive (READ: kids who can't aim vs talented shooters)

The Mass driver cannot exist as it currently. No matter how you balance the weapon, it will either ruin competitive matches, or it will cease to become relevant at all even in casual matches. You see, when a competitive player uses non-Area of effect weapons (ARS, SMG, Semi AUTO rifles) against another, there are two competitions going on in the duel

1) Who can deal the most damage, the fastest
2) Who can avoid the most damage

When you give one of these very skilled players a Mass Driver, guess what happens? He can't miss. His helpless opponent cannot dodge, strafe, run for cover at all. He has essentially denied the helpless man the "2) Who can avoid the most damage" rule of this game. ALSO, he has crippled the helpless man's ability to just "stand his ground" and out DPS the Mass Driver because the MD jerks his screen around and clouds his vision with smoke. There is no reason to use any other weapon in a competitive match, (actually I take that back there needs to be a Forge gun sniping objectives). I try and go the High DPS route with my proficiency lvl 5, 2 cmplx dmg mods, charge shot imperial scrambler rifle, but all the DPS is meaningless in a duel with Mass Drivers. I could kill other suits/guns just fine if I got a bead on my opponent fast enough. But those MDs were impossible.

B-B-But Mass Drivers Takes Skill!

If you think the Mass Driver takes a lot of skill to master, then you are probably really bad at aiming and shooting. Play instant battle and you will see how terrible Mass Driver users are. Play PC and see how devastating Mass Drivers are.

The difference is that the MDs allow bad players (who would have terrible aiming) to, thanks to splash damage, have "decent" aiming. These bad players can now complete with ARs and other weapons in casual public matches.

on the other hand...

MDs allow skilled players (who can aim well consistently) to have flawless aiming. Because of the splash, the damage per splash, the smoke, and the screen displacement... the MD will out DPS anything mid/close-mid-mid/long (AKA AR territory) range.

So you still think the MD takes skill? Because of the projectile and time of flight? That's okay. Not trying to offend you or anything, but if you think an "easy-mode-splash-damage-black-hole-for-armor-instakiller" takes skill, if it took you weeks to master the MDs trajectory....

Conclusion

...then you are a bad player.

The assualt MD is OP. Regular MD's are fine though.

It's called NOOB tube for a reason..

Silence. Get more than 5 kills than you can have a opinion.

MD is OP all around.

Pro Pipe (TM)

You know what's more pathetic? You have gone 3-12 4-6 and 3-9 in wars against us using Proto NOOB tube and Exmaple used a scout suit with EXO5 and played better than you....

You know what's pathetic? 1. Caring about my KDR more than I care about my KDR. 2. Caring about KDR in a game that has 4 months left in it before everyone goes to play Destiny.

Go stroke your epeen and chestbeat because you have nothing else going for you in life.

Get benched much? You sucked it up horribly in first 2 matches and got the boot lmfao! You were using the easiest gun in game and still can't have success! You were just a carried nobody in Imps. Much like 60% of them.

Ha no, I took my girlfriend out to dinner, so I couldn't be there for the final match. I'm not surprised you don't know what a girlfriend is. If you would leave your mother's basement, you might find one.

Lol! All I ever hear from you is get out of mommy's basement. You know when a person uses stuff like that to insult often it's because they are usually taking a page from their own life and trying to dump it on others so you can get that 5 seconds of delusion where for once you can pretend like you are the somebody with a REAL girlfriend and has their own place. I bet it pisses you off that I am better than you at this game but it's just a small fraction of the over all equation of me just being that much better than you at LIFE itself.

You seem to care WAY TOO MUCH about a video game. I'm serious, I'm worried about your health. Go outside.

And I do have a real girlfriend, she regularly pulls me away from the ps3 to do stuff. In our own house.

You on the other hand, act like a 10 year old with your chestbeating. Just give it up, its pathetic.

Lol! ****'s coming out your eyes. I'll stop picking on you. I don't want you to end up killing yourself. You'll always have the glory daze when you were carried by good players and got to make believe you were good yourself and nobody will ever be able ot take that away from you.

Lol! ****'s coming out your eyes. I'll stop picking on you. I don't want you to end up killing yourself. You'll always have the glory daze when you were carried by good players and got to make believe you were good yourself and nobody will ever be able ot take that away from you.

CCP, take notice! ^^ Lot's of good ideas and discussion ITT!

I honestly can't believe this thread has maintained civility...

CCP, take notice! ^^ Lot's of good ideas and discussion ITT!

I honestly can't believe this thread has maintained civility...

I played a PC match yesterday. And wow, I got destroyed the second match. I'm willing to be that the majority of you, who think the Mass driver is in a good place right now, probably play Instant battle 99% of the time, like me. The problem here is that the random players (and also thanks to 400wp debacle) are pretty terrible and the mass driver is easy to ignore. I'm an Amarr Assault and specced into amarr ****, so to me, the mass driver was no more different than the Assault rifle. Just like some people are terrible with ARs, some people are terrible with Mass Drivers. Some people are really good with ARs, some people are good with Mass Drivers.

That's what I USED to think. Until **** hit the fan.

I played my first couple of competitive matches yesterday. The first game, I hardly died to mass drivers, died a few times to them but I felt all my deaths during the first match was fair. I think I went 14 kills and 7 or 9 deaths or something against Teamplayers.

Then the second match started and WTF.... Nearly every person I personally ran into had Mass Drivers and I must have died 10 or 12 times to Mass Drivers alone. This DEFINITELY put Mass Drivers on my radar. These things were inescapable. So I began thinking....


Casual vs Competitive (READ: kids who can't aim vs talented shooters)

The Mass driver cannot exist as it currently. No matter how you balance the weapon, it will either ruin competitive matches, or it will cease to become relevant at all even in casual matches. You see, when a competitive player uses non-Area of effect weapons (ARS, SMG, Semi AUTO rifles) against another, there are two competitions going on in the duel

1) Who can deal the most damage, the fastest
2) Who can avoid the most damage

When you give one of these very skilled players a Mass Driver, guess what happens? He can't miss. His helpless opponent cannot dodge, strafe, run for cover at all. He has essentially denied the helpless man the "2) Who can avoid the most damage" rule of this game. ALSO, he has crippled the helpless man's ability to just "stand his ground" and out DPS the Mass Driver because the MD jerks his screen around and clouds his vision with smoke. There is no reason to use any other weapon in a competitive match, (actually I take that back there needs to be a Forge gun sniping objectives). I try and go the High DPS route with my proficiency lvl 5, 2 cmplx dmg mods, charge shot imperial scrambler rifle, but all the DPS is meaningless in a duel with Mass Drivers. I could kill other suits/guns just fine if I got a bead on my opponent fast enough. But those MDs were impossible.

B-B-But Mass Drivers Takes Skill!

If you think the Mass Driver takes a lot of skill to master, then you are probably really bad at aiming and shooting. Play instant battle and you will see how terrible Mass Driver users are. Play PC and see how devastating Mass Drivers are.

The difference is that the MDs allow bad players (who would have terrible aiming) to, thanks to splash damage, have "decent" aiming. These bad players can now complete with ARs and other weapons in casual public matches.

on the other hand...

MDs allow skilled players (who can aim well consistently) to have flawless aiming. Because of the splash, the damage per splash, the smoke, and the screen displacement... the MD will out DPS anything mid/close-mid-mid/long (AKA AR territory) range.

So you still think the MD takes skill? Because of the projectile and time of flight? That's okay. Not trying to offend you or anything, but if you think an "easy-mode-splash-damage-black-hole-for-armor-instakiller" takes skill, if it took you weeks to master the MDs trajectory....

Conclusion

...then you are a bad player.

Well that's not very nice.

EVERY weapon has its counter...
Heavy FG > MD > AR > Heavy FG.

This applies to every other weapon, i just used this 3 as an example BECAUSE they are 3 eapons taht are in a good place now... (NOT OP, just doing their job)

You literally just made this up. These inequalities make no sense at all.



@Rusty Shallows

No problem. I come off this way because I'm bored and want to entertain myself, yet at the same time, have a thoughtful discussion that accomplishes something.

So what you are saying is that you are a troll by definition, unable to debate the topic because you are stubborn and refuse to accept that your thinking may be wrong, and a hypocrite.

Pretty much sums it up? cool.

At the beginning of this thread I wanted the Mass Driver to be removed.

But do to the feedback others have suggested, I think it makes more sense to make adjustments to it's killing efficiency while, at the same time, allowing it to remain as "area denial" as it's supposed to be.

Right now, the weapon is too easy to use, has a HUGE margin of error with very little punishment for mistakes, and it's killing power rivals other weapons that require more skill and punish mistakes.


I've carefully made my arguments, you are free to do the same, except I haven't seen a single legitimate argument as to why the Mass Driver should stay the same.