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ER-Bullitt
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Posted - 2013.08.10 15:17:00 -
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You come off very smug.
Whose to say that people who arent the best at aiming, or twich reflexes (perhaps older folks not up to par with the younger generationn) shouldnt have weapons that will make the game more enjoyable for them? Just because someone is not skillful with an AR type weapon doesnt mean they are a bad player. Maybe in your limited scope they are. Those players may be great thinkers, tankers, supporters, tacticians, hackers, pilots, defenders... just bad at tracking bunny hopping strafing players.
One might give your post some more credit if you werent so condescending.
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
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Posted - 2013.08.10 19:16:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:
There really isn't a good counter to a team of TP .
Here fixed that for you. Im not going to say the MD is fine or doesnt need further tweaking. But I will say that if your basis for your argument is because TP spammed MD in a PC and beat your side, that is not enough of a case my friend.
Lets say you completely removed Mass Drivers from the game.
You dont think TP will find another weapon to (ab)use to get the W?
They could come out with 16 Laser rifles/Nova Knives and figure out a way to shut down other teams. They are just that good together.
- Nerf TP, not the weapon because TP spammed it.
- Collect more data and prove a point as to why the MD needs nerfing. CCP does this already.
- Balance weapons for BOTH pub matches and PC. While I agree that weapon balancing should take PC battles into consideration, the majority of the player base is not participating, nor has any desire to participate in PC. It was supposed to be the End Game, but it simply is not. The mechanics behind it are borked and weird and only the top elite corps have any chance at being "successful" there and even they will admit the success is not all that grand, yet.
P.S. who the **** do you think you are to claim that anyone is irrelevant? Listen up douchebag, the MAJORITY of players still funding this godawful game do not care nor participate in PC. You would be wise not to shun them. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.10 19:19:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:@GAYLOCK Steve
I thought we already established you as "irrelevant", therefore nothing you say matters.
It's pretty much indisputable that the Mass Driver is the easy, new-to-first-person-shooters, weapon.
So whats your point? You gonna put a label on the side of Dust 514 saying "not for new-to-first-person-shooter people"? GTFO.... wasnt this game supposed to be the different one? Isnt that the idea, to attrack a new audience?
COD is -----> that way. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.10 19:23:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Protocake JR wrote:
There really isn't a good counter to a team of TP .
Here fixed that for you. Im not going to say the MD is fine or doesnt need further tweaking. But I will say that if your basis for your argument is because TP spammed MD in a PC and beat your side, that is not enough of a case my friend. Lets say you completely removed Mass Drivers from the game. You dont think TP will find another weapon to (ab)use to get the W? They could come out with 16 Laser rifles/Nova Knives and figure out a way to shut down other teams. They are just that good together. - Nerf TP, not the weapon because TP spammed it. - Collect more data and prove a point as to why the MD needs nerfing. CCP does this already. - Balance weapons for BOTH pub matches and PC. While I agree that weapon balancing should take PC battles into effect, the majority of the player base is not participating, nor has any desire to participate in PC. It was supposed to be the End Game, but it simply is not. The mechanics behind it are borked and weird and only the top elite corps have any chance at being "successful" there and even they will admit the success is not all that grand, yet. Lol. I saw laser rifles and nova knives and stop reading. It is extremely obvious that does 2 weapons require more skill then a MD.So PC will be bbasically explosives again, MD and Core locs.
/facepalm... it was an exaggerated example, pick any weapon you want and put it in place. you failure. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.10 19:41:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Protocake JR wrote:
There really isn't a good counter to a team of TP .
Here fixed that for you. Im not going to say the MD is fine or doesnt need further tweaking. But I will say that if your basis for your argument is because TP spammed MD in a PC and beat your side, that is not enough of a case my friend. Lets say you completely removed Mass Drivers from the game. You dont think TP will find another weapon to (ab)use to get the W? They could come out with 16 Laser rifles/Nova Knives and figure out a way to shut down other teams. They are just that good together. - Nerf TP, not the weapon because TP spammed it. - Collect more data and prove a point as to why the MD needs nerfing. CCP does this already. - Balance weapons for BOTH pub matches and PC. While I agree that weapon balancing should take PC battles into effect, the majority of the player base is not participating, nor has any desire to participate in PC. It was supposed to be the End Game, but it simply is not. The mechanics behind it are borked and weird and only the top elite corps have any chance at being "successful" there and even they will admit the success is not all that grand, yet. As for data, you need to talk to any competitive player that participates in PC. Even Mass Driver users who've skilled into it's proficiency say it needs tweaking. I probably shouldn't have mentioned the Teamplayers at all, because it's pretty irrelevant to the argument. I suppose I was just caught up in telling a story. Though it is interesting to mention how, during the first match, it was a pretty close game. And guess what? Very minimal MD spam. I think they had like 1 or 2 guys up in the catwalks total. The second match, we would have been redlined if it weren't for uplink spam. And guess what? MD spam was everywhere.
I think you are missing the big picture I am trying to paint fo ryou. GO back in history.. how many weapons have people cried for nerfs? Before PC, during and After? The list is endless. The difference now, instead of 8v8 corp battles and pubs to slowly draw attention to the FOTM weapons, we now have PC. A direct proving ground where everyone will use any weapon they can to gain the W.
There will ALWAYS be a FOTM weapon. Until the day CCP decides to go the route of other FPS shooters and remove the diversity. Thats what diversity is all about. Who can come up with the latest and greatest way to skill up their merc, use equipment, and terrain to get the W. If you do not adapt yourself and use something to counter, or use the same FOTM weapon, these nerf threads will never end.
Tweak this, tweak that, go right ahead and tweak/nerf/buff all day long. These threads will never go away because teams that use teamwork, coordination, strategy and the most useful weapons will always come out on top in PC. It is the quintessential min/max game mode. If you are waiting patiently for your weapon of choice to become relevant in PC you will be waiting a very long time. If you have the patience, great. If you want to compete, adapt anyway that you can.. To say there is no counter to MD spam is to lie to yourself. Get better. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:14:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Protocake JR wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Protocake JR wrote:
There really isn't a good counter to a team of TP .
Here fixed that for you. Im not going to say the MD is fine or doesnt need further tweaking. But I will say that if your basis for your argument is because TP spammed MD in a PC and beat your side, that is not enough of a case my friend. Lets say you completely removed Mass Drivers from the game. You dont think TP will find another weapon to (ab)use to get the W? They could come out with 16 Laser rifles/Nova Knives and figure out a way to shut down other teams. They are just that good together. - Nerf TP, not the weapon because TP spammed it. - Collect more data and prove a point as to why the MD needs nerfing. CCP does this already. - Balance weapons for BOTH pub matches and PC. While I agree that weapon balancing should take PC battles into effect, the majority of the player base is not participating, nor has any desire to participate in PC. It was supposed to be the End Game, but it simply is not. The mechanics behind it are borked and weird and only the top elite corps have any chance at being "successful" there and even they will admit the success is not all that grand, yet. As for data, you need to talk to any competitive player that participates in PC. Even Mass Driver users who've skilled into it's proficiency say it needs tweaking. I probably shouldn't have mentioned the Teamplayers at all, because it's pretty irrelevant to the argument. I suppose I was just caught up in telling a story. Though it is interesting to mention how, during the first match, it was a pretty close game. And guess what? Very minimal MD spam. I think they had like 1 or 2 guys up in the catwalks total. The second match, we would have been redlined if it weren't for uplink spam. And guess what? MD spam was everywhere. I think you are missing the big picture I am trying to paint fo ryou. GO back in history.. how many weapons have people cried for nerfs? Before PC, during and After? The list is endless. The difference now, instead of 8v8 corp battles and pubs to slowly draw attention to the FOTM weapons, we now have PC. A direct proving ground where everyone will use any weapon they can to gain the W. There will ALWAYS be a FOTM weapon. Until the day CCP decides to go the route of other FPS shooters and remove the diversity. Thats what diversity is all about. Who can come up with the latest and greatest way to skill up their merc, use equipment, and terrain to get the W. If you do not adapt yourself and use something to counter, or use the same FOTM weapon, these nerf threads will never end. Tweak this, tweak that, go right ahead and tweak/nerf/buff all day long. These threads will never go away because teams that use teamwork, coordination, strategy and the most useful weapons will always come out on top in PC. It is the quintessential min/max game mode. If you are waiting patiently for your weapon of choice to become relevant in PC you will be waiting a very long time. If you have the patience, great. If you want to compete, adapt anyway that you can.. To say there is no counter to MD spam is to lie to yourself. Get better. I don't think you know what you are talking about  You're telling me that we need diversity, yet at the same time you submit to the fact that FOTM exist. THEN you tell me to get better because you somehow think you know how to counter MD spam with teamwork. Yeah, sure. 
Name an FPS where FOTM does not exist? Something has to be better than the next for certain situations otherwise we might as well go play checkers. The most successful people tend to use the best weapons for those circumstances. The people who cry about it are those who failed to do the same. See every FPS in the history of gaming as an example.
Is this your first time at the rodeo son? Perhaps you dont know what you are talking about... thats cool, nobody is perfect. :) |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:34:00 -
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I asked you a question.
Name an FPS in the history of gaming where FOTM was not present?
Here is another question, is the mass driver the only useful weapon for every possible situation/scenario in a PC battle currently? Or is it just really strong at CQC?
I know when I fought IE/AE a few times in PC I didnt see alot of Mass Driver spam. I was killed by forge guns, AR's, shotguns, SMG's, grenades, tanks, ran over LAV's, orbitals, scrambler rifles, etc, etc, etc.
Do you even know what the wod Diversity means? You can use FOTM and Diversity in the same sentence. But you are blind... FOTM for a specific scenario/situation.
God you are dense. Why am I even bothering.. you obviously have your mind made up. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.12 14:32:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
EVERY weapon has its counter...
Heavy FG > MD > AR > Heavy FG.
This applies to every other weapon, i just used this 3 as an example BECAUSE they are 3 eapons taht are in a good place now... (NOT OP, just doing their job)
You literally just made this up. These inequalities make no sense at all. @Rusty Shallows No problem. I come off this way because I'm bored and want to entertain myself, yet at the same time, have a thoughtful discussion that accomplishes something.
So what you are saying is that you are a troll by definition, unable to debate the topic because you are stubborn and refuse to accept that your thinking may be wrong, and a hypocrite.
Pretty much sums it up? cool. |
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