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Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
68
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Posted - 2013.08.08 00:44:00 -
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No debate just say whether you think it's OP or not. I'll track the list here.
OP
Not OP Me |

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
5315
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Posted - 2013.08.08 00:49:00 -
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Not OP |

Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2763
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Posted - 2013.08.08 00:49:00 -
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not OP |

Cosgar
ParagonX
4013
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Posted - 2013.08.08 00:50:00 -
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not OP |

cedz636
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2013.08.08 00:50:00 -
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not OP |

Michael Arck
sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
491
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Posted - 2013.08.08 00:52:00 -
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lol massholes are not OP |

xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
461
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Posted - 2013.08.08 00:56:00 -
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OP at proto/proficiency levels |

Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
68
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Posted - 2013.08.08 00:57:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:OP at proto/proficiency levels
uh............ |

xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
461
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Posted - 2013.08.08 00:58:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:OP at proto/proficiency levels uh............ what? |

gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2991
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Posted - 2013.08.08 00:59:00 -
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Can I be a maybe just to be awkward? |
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Casius Hakoke
Fenrir's Wolves RUST415
206
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:00:00 -
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Not OP. |

Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
68
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:01:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:OP at proto/proficiency levels uh............ what?
I'll put that under OP i suppose. Just wondering where to put that. I was going to make another column but that would be sort of an undefined column of strange answers that are neither yes nor no. However it appears you have a fundamental problem with the weapon itself so i'll put it under OP. |

Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
61
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:01:00 -
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Not OP
Just over used....Needs to have better countermeasures other than shield tank |

Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
68
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:01:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Can I be a maybe just to be awkward?
You don't need the maybe to be awkward. :P |

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
5317
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:02:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:OP at proto/proficiency levels uh............ what? I think he was looking for a simple answer, and your answer would require him to make a new category. |

TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
2397
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:02:00 -
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Not OP, and I'm an armor tanking laser rifle user. Lasers counter MD pretty well. |

castba
Penguin's March
54
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:04:00 -
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Not OP, just a ***** for heavies in confined spaces |

gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2991
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:05:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:gbghg wrote:Can I be a maybe just to be awkward? You don't need the maybe to be awkward. :P
I'll be a not OP then. |

John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
53
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:06:00 -
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Not OP |

FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
161
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:07:00 -
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Not op BUT ARMOR IS UP. WE NEED BETTER ARMOR |
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Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
69
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:08:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:gbghg wrote:Can I be a maybe just to be awkward? You don't need the maybe to be awkward. :P  I'll be a not OP then.
Happy? :D |

Manwad
The Equestrian Alliance
9
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:09:00 -
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Not OP. |

Killar-12
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
435
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:15:00 -
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Not OP Thank you for Running a Poll and using a reasonable method of looking at the community! |

xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
461
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:16:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:OP at proto/proficiency levels uh............ what? I'll put that under OP i suppose. Just wondering where to put that. I was going to make another column but that would be sort of an undefined column of strange answers that are neither yes nor no. However it appears you have a fundamental problem with the weapon itself so i'll put it under OP.
well, what i really mean is that: full proto AR/Scrambler vs Mass driver on medium/short ranges mass drivers has more chance to win, many more. First off it force AR/scrambler to hip fire (because if you aim and a mass driver hits you it offset your weapon) and strafing much more (because of blast radius), while MD user can strafe/run much more without having to aim too precisely. It is manageable to beat a basic/advanced MD user, but it's definitely much harder to beat a proto/proficiency MD. Compared to all other guns, it looks OP to me. |

gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2993
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:19:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:No debate just say whether you think it's OP or not. I'll track the list here.
OP xxwhitedevilxx M
Not OP Me KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Cosgar Scheneighnay McBob cedz636 Michael Arck Casius Hakoke Fire of Prometheus TheAmazing FlyingPig castba John Demonsbane gbghg FLAYLOCK Steve Manwad
Maybe because he's awkward gbghg
Edit: I'll be adding names to the list every few minutes because it won't let me edit quickly enough. Yay!!!!!!! |

A-NASTY INFECTION
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:21:00 -
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the weapon itself isnt op. but the splash damage to shields is. this should not take 2 shots to kill a fully armed proto. as i said the weapon itself isnt op i think its great but the splash damage is definetly op. and those who disagree to bad. its funny how the flaylock wasnt op when majority of the nubz were using it but now that its gone you all jump to the next bandwagon item. lol shame on you but im not mad i actually expected this and knew it would happen. all these scrubs who call themself elite or good players arent shat without FOTM weapons. these guys are the same ppl who used Tac rifles, OP LAV's, FLAYLOCKS, and now the wonderful mass drivers. you guys who ***** about it being op all you have to do is adapt or die and to those who use it.. well shame on you for knowing its power and exploiting it. but all in all its ccp's fault not the player. nuff said. |

THEFURY2KAD
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:23:00 -
[27] - Quote
Not OP |

Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
572
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:25:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Not OP, and I'm an armor tanking laser rifle user. Lasers counter MD pretty well.
Why don't you stop AFKing at the MCC first, then maybe you can be an laser rifle "user" |

FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
161
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:26:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Bittersteel. he Bastard wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:OP at proto/proficiency levels uh............ what? I'll put that under OP i suppose. Just wondering where to put that. I was going to make another column but that would be sort of an undefined column of strange answers that are neither yes nor no. However it appears you have a fundamental problem with the weapon itself so i'll put it under OP. well, what i really mean is that: full proto AR/Scrambler vs Mass driver on medium/short ranges mass drivers has more chance to win, many more. First off it force AR/scrambler to hip fire (because if you aim and a mass driver hits you it offset your weapon) and strafing much more (because of blast radius), while MD user can strafe/run much more without having to aim too precisely. It is manageable to beat a basic/advanced MD user, but it's definitely much harder to beat a proto/proficiency MD. Compared to all other guns, it looks OP to me. Simple yes or no. Idc about your b*tching. All I see is you couldn't change your tactic. Again op said no debate just no or yes so gtfo. |

Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
335
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:28:00 -
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Doesn't seem OP to me.
Not OP.
No-P.
Nopey, nopey. |
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FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
161
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:28:00 -
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A-NASTY INFECTION wrote:the weapon itself isnt op. but the splash damage to shields is. this should not take 2 shots to kill a fully armed proto. as i said the weapon itself isnt op i think its great but the splash damage is definetly op. and those who disagree to bad. its funny how the flaylock wasnt op when majority of the nubz were using it but now that its gone you all jump to the next bandwagon item. lol shame on you but im not mad i actually expected this and knew it would happen. all these scrubs who call themself elite or good players arent shat without FOTM weapons. these guys are the same ppl who used Tac rifles, OP LAV's, FLAYLOCKS, and now the wonderful mass drivers. you guys who ***** about it being op all you have to do is adapt or die and to those who use it.. well shame on you for knowing its power and exploiting it. but all in all its ccp's fault not the player. nuff said. Mass driver is weak against shields hence flux grenade combo. It's Armor it hurts. And this isn't a debate. Just yes or no. Follow directions please. |

Medical Crash
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
51
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:30:00 -
[32] - Quote
Not OP, Armour just needs a buff and shields need some kind of negative. |

LeGoose
SAM-MIK
11
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:30:00 -
[33] - Quote
Not even close to OP |

FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
387
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:32:00 -
[34] - Quote
Assault MD is the OP one. The others are ok. I tried the EXO and it blows vs shields, and you have to actually track your enemy and land the shot. The assault? 8m splash radius with more clip and higher RPM for easy bomb spam fest.
-XOXO |

xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
461
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:34:00 -
[35] - Quote
FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Simple yes or no. Idc about your b*tching. All I see is you couldn't change your tactic. Again op said no debate just no or yes so gtfo.
umm you should really learn to read the entire thread and then answer. But, hey! you are debating. I was just clarifying it. There's no need to be rude, even if you fear my logic. |

FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
162
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:36:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Assault MD is the OP one. The others are ok. I tried the EXO and it blows vs shields, and you have to actually track your enemy and land the shot. The assault? 8m splash radius with more clip and higher RPM for easy bomb spam fest.
-XOXO For once we can agree. Lower the splash a Lif but still it isn't that much since it's reduced damage vs regular fair trade off. But again please a simple yes or no. We are not discussing a specific mass driver but the weapon class itself. Kthx |

Cosgar
ParagonX
4015
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:37:00 -
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A-NASTY INFECTION wrote:the weapon itself isnt op. but the splash damage to shields is. this should not take 2 shots to kill a fully armed proto. as i said the weapon itself isnt op i think its great but the splash damage is definetly op. and those who disagree to bad. its funny how the flaylock wasnt op when majority of the nubz were using it but now that its gone you all jump to the next bandwagon item. lol shame on you but im not mad i actually expected this and knew it would happen. all these scrubs who call themself elite or good players arent shat without FOTM weapons. these guys are the same ppl who used Tac rifles, OP LAV's, FLAYLOCKS, and now the wonderful mass drivers. you guys who ***** about it being op all you have to do is adapt or die and to those who use it.. well shame on you for knowing its power and exploiting it. but all in all its ccp's fault not the player. nuff said. This goes down to the (limited) tactics people use with FotM weapons. Get in mid range and spam the same weapon, flaylocks, contact grenades, MD... LAVs, it doesn't matter as long as they all use the same thing to spam with. Instead of trying to flank people or engage at a distance, they try to meet these people head on constantly with the same results. |

Killar-12
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
436
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:50:00 -
[38] - Quote
FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Assault MD is the OP one. The others are ok. I tried the EXO and it blows vs shields, and you have to actually track your enemy and land the shot. The assault? 8m splash radius with more clip and higher RPM for easy bomb spam fest.
-XOXO I'll be fine if the Ass MD gets whacked but just the splash radius nothing else or increase the PG/CPU cost like every other Assault weapon. |

FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
388
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 01:52:00 -
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The assault MD makes the weapon class OP so yes MD is OP. The weakness vs shields is negated by the assault MD easy spam. Pretty much like the Flaylock insane base damage and radius did the same in pre-1.3. But you'll say ohhh but MD is a primary weapon. So is the Scrambler Rifle and its damage is balanced so that killing armor-tanked suits is kinda difficult.
-XOXO |

A-NASTY INFECTION
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
8
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 01:53:00 -
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as i said. the splash damage is op. i dont know what game your playing but it obviously isnt the same dust im playing. as a closed beta tester ive been through the ins and outs of this game. the splash damage is definetly op it takes 2 shots from the exo to kill my shields and i run a proto assault cal suit with 500 plus shields and it 2 shots my shields trust me dude. as i said the weapon isnt op but the splash damage does a hell of alot of damage to shields. the combo of flux and md is just an easy way out for TRYHARDS to get a one shot kill as i tried this today and it did just that. a word of advice my friend dont ask a question expecting to get a half a$$ answer. and dont be a smart a$$ behind a keybored either. your welcome. |
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Killar-12
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
436
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:56:00 -
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A-NASTY INFECTION wrote:as i said. the splash damage is op. i dont know what game your playing but it obviously isnt the same dust im playing. as a closed beta tester ive been through the ins and outs of this game. the splash damage is definetly op it takes 2 shots from the exo to kill my shields and i run a proto assault cal suit with 500 plus shields and it 2 shots my shields trust me dude. as i said the weapon isnt op but the splash damage does a hell of alot of damage to shields. the combo of flux and md is just an easy way out for TRYHARDS to get a one shot kill as i tried this today and it did just that. a word of advice my friend dont ask a question expecting to get a half a$$ answer. and dont be a smart off behing a keybored either. your welcome. How do you fight? fight from above or at long range the AR shines in those senarios. |

FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
167
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 01:58:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:A-NASTY INFECTION wrote:as i said. the splash damage is op. i dont know what game your playing but it obviously isnt the same dust im playing. as a closed beta tester ive been through the ins and outs of this game. the splash damage is definetly op it takes 2 shots from the exo to kill my shields and i run a proto assault cal suit with 500 plus shields and it 2 shots my shields trust me dude. as i said the weapon isnt op but the splash damage does a hell of alot of damage to shields. the combo of flux and md is just an easy way out for TRYHARDS to get a one shot kill as i tried this today and it did just that. a word of advice my friend dont ask a question expecting to get a half a$$ answer. and dont be a smart off behing a keybored either. your welcome. How do you fight? fight from above or at long range the AR shines in those senarios. Thank you. People don't see this, but I'm tired of wasting my time on writing on my phone. |

Nosid Katona
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
33
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:03:00 -
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I'll vote op; for those who actually wanna read my reasoning here is why.
I'm an armor tanker and I know massholes are supposed to be the bane of my existence but they are a bit too effective if I'm not extremely careful or lucky when I notice one is around. If I don't notice one is around they might as well be a HK4M from chromosome that has just snuck up behind me; I'm utterly boned. I have 500+ Hp on my STD pub suit and 600+ on my advanced and with either it takes 3-4 shots of splash from ADV massholes to annihilate me. Now there are plenty of people better then me I'll be the first to admit that, and we have all accepted that armor tanking is a bit UP at the moment; but with how strong it is massholes are gonna see a huge increase in the next week thanks to the 2X SP and I really don't look forward to that.
Now before you go "You don't use it your opinion is invalid, you just need to HTFU or get good." your somewhat right; I don't use it. However my opinion of of how OP MDs is isn't completely uninformed and comes from Havok Director Gideon; he has been a dedicated masshole since early chromosome or even a little before, he even used the MD at the beginning of uprising and said it wasn't that UP just needed tweaking. He will be the first to tell you that it's OP without a doubt; he even says he uses it more often now so more people will see it, use it as this FOTM, and the nerf will come all the faster so it isn't another godlock situation. Honestly I'm with Gid on this one and want to see the MD work as intended and be effective in the right hands; not be just another AOE ''noobtube', I want DUST free of that old FPS cliche so it can grow into something much more grand.
Vae Victis
Edit: fixed spelling errors. |

Tatsumi022
New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men.
6
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:09:00 -
[44] - Quote
Not OP
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
472
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:11:00 -
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slightly OP.... but not terribly... |

THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Pure Innocence. EoN.
181
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:12:00 -
[46] - Quote
Not OP
i got proto ARs and MD, and the AR is around 3x better. The duvolle can outgun a MD in a straight fight any day of the week, however this is the way it should be, its worse all round than the AR but in group standoffs, and closed spaces it excels. Exactly the way a gun should operate, it excels at its niche but is useable all round while being much not nearly as effective as the AR all round. When i meet an enemy MD its extremely easy for me slay him, because i can outgun him, and position myself to make him virtually useless.
The scrubs who are stacking armor, slow as snails w/ bad gun game will say its OP though. |

Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
133
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:14:00 -
[47] - Quote
Definitely NOT OP. |

FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
168
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:15:00 -
[48] - Quote
Nosid Katona wrote:I'll vote op; for those who actually wanna read my reasoning here is why.
I'm an armor tanker and I know massholes are supposed to be the bane of my existence but they are a bit too effective if I'm not extremely careful or lucky when I notice one is around. If I don't notice one is around they might as well be a HK4M from chromosome that has just snuck up behind me; I'm utterly boned. I have 500+ Hp on my STD pub suit and 600+ on my advanced and with either it takes 3-4 shots of splash from ADV massholes to annihilate me. Now there are plenty of people better then me I'll be the first to admit that, and we have all accepted that armor tanking is a bit UP at the moment; but with how strong it is massholes are gonna see a huge increase in the next week thanks to the 2X SP and I really don't look forward to that.
Now before you go "You don't use it your opinion is invalid, you just need to HTFU or get good." your somewhat right; I don't use it. However my opinion of of how OP MDs is isn't completely uninformed and comes from Havok Director Gideon; he has been a dedicated masshole since early chromosome or even a little before, he even used the MD at the beginning of uprising and said it wasn't that UP just needed tweaking. He will be the first to tell you that it's OP without a doubt; he even says he uses it more often now so more people will see it, use it as this FOTM, and the nerf will come all the faster so it isn't another godlock situation. Honestly I'm with Gid on this one and want to see the MD work as intended and be effective in the right hands; not be just another AOE ''noobtube', I want DUST free of that old FPS cliche so it can grow into something much more grand.
Vae Victis
Edit: fixed spelling errors. It's just that Armor is weak and I agree. It's needs a major buff. |

Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
70
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:19:00 -
[49] - Quote
Thank you everyone thus far for keeping it clean for the most part. And I like the semi-discussion or the points a few of you are bringing up. I'll try to analyze and find some similarities given between all the people who have written about their experience or take on the mass driver and either write a new post or just edit this one at the end. |

A-NASTY INFECTION
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:27:00 -
[50] - Quote
Killar-12 wrote:A-NASTY INFECTION wrote:as i said. the splash damage is op. i dont know what game your playing but it obviously isnt the same dust im playing. as a closed beta tester ive been through the ins and outs of this game. the splash damage is definetly op it takes 2 shots from the exo to kill my shields and i run a proto assault cal suit with 500 plus shields and it 2 shots my shields trust me dude. as i said the weapon isnt op but the splash damage does a hell of alot of damage to shields. the combo of flux and md is just an easy way out for TRYHARDS to get a one shot kill as i tried this today and it did just that. a word of advice my friend dont ask a question expecting to get a half a$$ answer. and dont be a smart off behing a keybored either. your welcome. How do you fight? fight from above or at long range the AR shines in those senarios.
i play to win if i have to cqc with an ar then i will if its a long range map for long range kills i use a tac smg's i use for cqc as well. you know how i play im anon illuminati i play to win at whatever cost. but when ppl hide in upper tier places the slash damage is just to much. i am specced into alsmost all weapons in the light class i have 16.mill sp and been playing since day one im not trying to argue but its truely obvious that this guy is wrong about splash damage and shields. the flaylock was the same and it got its nerf. i still use the flaylock its still a very effective gun against armor. if you want to try it out go to oceanic server with a friend and try it and you will see what i mean. ive done it several times and i know im not crazy. lol |
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FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
169
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:28:00 -
[51] - Quote
THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Not OP
i got proto ARs and MD, and the AR is around 3x better. The duvolle can oUT gun a MD in a straight fight any day of the week, how this is the way it should be, its worse all round than the AR but in group standoffs, and closed spaces it excels. Exactly the way a gun should operate, it excels at its niche but is useable all round while being much not nearly as effective as the AR all round. When i meet an enemy MD its extremely easy for me slay him, because i can outgun him, and position myself to make him virtually useless.
The scrubs who are stacking armor, slow as snails w/ bad gun game will say its OP though. I agree. I got the glu tac ar. It's deadlier, thats why i got the ar at level 4 and the md at level 3. I can't wait til level 5. ar. I got the aurum duv and its awesome as hell. |

N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
928
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 02:28:00 -
[52] - Quote
Not OP |

Paran Tadec
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
1271
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:28:00 -
[53] - Quote
Not OP |

FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
170
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 02:29:00 -
[54] - Quote
THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Not OP
i got proto ARs and MD, and the AR is around 3x better. The duvolle can oUT gun a MD in a straight fight any day of the week, how this is the way it should be, its worse all round than the AR but in group standoffs, and closed spaces it excels. Exactly the way a gun should operate, it excels at its niche but is useable all round while being much not nearly as effective as the AR all round. When i meet an enemy MD its extremely easy for me slay him, because i can outgun him, and position myself to make him virtually useless.
The scrubs who are stacking armor, slow as snails w/ bad gun game will say its OP though. I agree. I got the glu tac ar. It's deadlier, thats why i got the ar at level 4 and the md at level 3. I can't wait til level 5. ar. I got the aurum duv and its awesome as hell. |

A-NASTY INFECTION
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:30:00 -
[55] - Quote
theres is a differance in op weapon and splash damage. im voting not op for the weapon but splash damage needs a tweak not a nerf but a tweak. also the armor reppers need a buff too. just saying |

XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
868
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:31:00 -
[56] - Quote
Yes because getting all the people from a MD channel to protect their crutch proves something, LOL!
EDIT- This might as well be a list of scrubs that require a crutch. |

J Lav
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
166
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:31:00 -
[57] - Quote
Not OP |

Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
61
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 02:42:00 -
[58] - Quote
XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Yes because getting all the people from a MD channel to protect their crutch proves something, LOL!
EDIT- This might as well be a list of scrubs that require a crutch. If this is a list of scrubs than answer this question.
What scrub uses a proto amarr logi stacked with adv and proto gear and a charge sniper?
Answer: me |

xSaloLx
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
109
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 02:45:00 -
[59] - Quote
Not OP.
Could use one tweak: Diminishing damage toward the edges of the blast radius, but that's it. |

THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Pure Innocence. EoN.
182
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 02:45:00 -
[60] - Quote
bumpedy i love how xero is all alone, QQing about the MD while no one cares. the poll just proves it, WAAAY more people think the MD is fine while QQers just whine louder. |
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
WE ARE LEGENDS
231
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 02:46:00 -
[61] - Quote
not OP |

FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
170
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 02:58:00 -
[62] - Quote
XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Yloving,ecause getting all the people from a MD channel to protect their crutch proves something, LOL!
EDIT- This might as well be a list of scrubs that require a crutch. Wrong I run the following. Suits : Dren( bpo all of them) logi, assault, scout, and heavy. All are std.
Weapons : Assault rifle level 4 Mass driver level 3 Forge gun level 4 Hmg level 4 Laser level 2 Scrambler rifle level 1 Nova knife level 3 Smg level 2 Demolition level 3 Grenader level 1 Flay lock level 5 Sniper level 3
BPO From elite pack: Dren swarm launcher Dren shot gun Dren assault rifle Dren scrambler pistol.
My main suit atm is: Minja scout advance basic frame with the bpo Smg( the red one) and nova knife with remote explosives. |

THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
192
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 03:06:00 -
[63] - Quote
The only thing OP about the MD is the tears of AR chumps who QQ by getting hit with it.
Not OP. |

XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
871
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 03:10:00 -
[64] - Quote
THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:bumpedy i love how xero is all alone, QQing about the MD while no one cares. the poll just proves it, WAAAY more people think the MD is fine while QQers just whine louder.
Um who are you? |

DRDEEZE TWO POINTO
DEEZE NUTSZ INC
89
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 03:15:00 -
[65] - Quote
XeroTheBigBoss wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:bumpedy i love how xero is all alone, QQing about the MD while no one cares. the poll just proves it, WAAAY more people think the MD is fine while QQers just whine louder. Um who are you?
You know this game isn't life right out of your mom's basement is life. |

DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
951
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 03:17:00 -
[66] - Quote
MD is certainly not OP. I would never in a million years consider using it in a competitive match over my AR. It's a fun weapon, but AR beats it in terms of effectiveness in almost every way imaginable. |

cedz636
BLaQ Heavy CORP
97
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 03:17:00 -
[67] - Quote
Great thread. Really puts things into perspective for all the people who are whining on the forums about the MD being OP. |

THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Pure Innocence. EoN.
184
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 03:18:00 -
[68] - Quote
DRDEEZE TWO POINTO wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:bumpedy i love how xero is all alone, QQing about the MD while no one cares. the poll just proves it, WAAAY more people think the MD is fine while QQers just whine louder. Um who are you? You know this game isn't life right out of your mom's basement is life. No No, let him take pride in his amount of likes which shows he trolls forums more than going outside. My god, that's probably true. Jesus. |

cedz636
BLaQ Heavy CORP
98
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 03:25:00 -
[69] - Quote
THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:DRDEEZE TWO POINTO wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:bumpedy i love how xero is all alone, QQing about the MD while no one cares. the poll just proves it, WAAAY more people think the MD is fine while QQers just whine louder. Um who are you? You know this game isn't life right out of your mom's basement is life. No No, let him take pride in his amount of likes which shows he trolls forums more than going outside. My god, that's probably true. Jesus.
You know it's true. |

Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
462
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 03:29:00 -
[70] - Quote
Not op |
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DRDEEZE TWO POINTO
DEEZE NUTSZ INC
91
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 03:35:00 -
[71] - Quote
Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Not op
Yes if you need to take out a killer MD get on higher ground to take em out. Tried works just make sure there is no red berry with you to lol |

andreySYT
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
18
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 03:52:00 -
[72] - Quote
NOT OP |

IR Scifi
Beyond Gravity.OTF Only The Famous
57
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 03:53:00 -
[73] - Quote
Also going to go with NOT OP |

Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
226
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 03:54:00 -
[74] - Quote
Not OP
Well wonky on armor (OP), weak sauce on shields (UP), splash damage around the IQs of some forum posters (Balanced). |

TunRa
The Vanguardians
22
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 04:08:00 -
[75] - Quote
Not OP <~~~ Heavy |

Pandora Mars
Afterlife Overseers
185
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 04:15:00 -
[76] - Quote
Not OP |

FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
173
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 04:16:00 -
[77] - Quote
TunRa wrote:Not OP <~~~ Heavy I do run a heavy from time to time. brother! |

Cy Clone1
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
184
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 04:25:00 -
[78] - Quote
not op |

Royce Kronos
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
101
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 04:26:00 -
[79] - Quote
Maybe. |

Luis rules 1st
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
13
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 04:29:00 -
[80] - Quote
OP
Not because of the damage, but the whole sistem itself. If you get hit by that thing, you cannot aim properly sometimes. The radius is huge! You cannot give that advantage to someone who doesn't even aim, just shooot that thing rondomly see who they kill. I'm ok with it doing a good damage, but they shouldn't have that big bonus for not hitting you directly nor even close. Maybe one direct and two splash should kill ya, but not 2-3 splash. That's just wrong |
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
56
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 04:32:00 -
[81] - Quote
not op, just right. |

McFurious
TeamPlayers EoN.
237
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 05:02:00 -
[82] - Quote
Not OP.
Explosive bonus to armor is OP. |

Lillica Deathdealer
Mango and Friends
27
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 05:02:00 -
[83] - Quote
It is not. AR is. That is all. |

Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
124
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 05:08:00 -
[84] - Quote
Not OP but a baby could use it if they made little baby dualshocks for their little baby thumbs. |

imminent danger
xCosmic Voidx The Superpowers
3
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 05:13:00 -
[85] - Quote
Not |

Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
158
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 06:08:00 -
[86] - Quote
Not op |

DaddyKillsEmAll
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
50
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 06:09:00 -
[87] - Quote
not OP |

Gideon McAllistar
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
24
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 06:17:00 -
[88] - Quote
Nosid Katona wrote:I'll vote op; for those who actually wanna read my reasoning here is why.
I'm an armor tanker and I know massholes are supposed to be the bane of my existence but they are a bit too effective if I'm not extremely careful or lucky when I notice one is around. If I don't notice one is around they might as well be a HK4M from chromosome that has just snuck up behind me; I'm utterly boned. I have 500+ Hp on my STD pub suit and 600+ on my advanced and with either it takes 3-4 shots of splash from ADV massholes to annihilate me. Now there are plenty of people better then me I'll be the first to admit that, and we have all accepted that armor tanking is a bit UP at the moment; but with how strong it is massholes are gonna see a huge increase in the next week thanks to the 2X SP and I really don't look forward to that.
Now before you go "You don't use it your opinion is invalid, you just need to HTFU or get good." your somewhat right; I don't use it. However my opinion of of how OP MDs is isn't completely uninformed and comes from Havok Director Gideon; he has been a dedicated masshole since early chromosome or even a little before, he even used the MD at the beginning of uprising and said it wasn't that UP just needed tweaking. He will be the first to tell you that it's OP without a doubt; he even says he uses it more often now so more people will see it, use it as this FOTM, and the nerf will come all the faster so it isn't another godlock situation. Honestly I'm with Gid on this one and want to see the MD work as intended and be effective in the right hands; not be just another AOE ''noobtube', I want DUST free of that old FPS cliche so it can grow into something much more grand.
Vae Victis
Edit: fixed spelling errors.
I approve of this message.
Oh, btw. . . OP. |

Aquinarius Zoltanus
0uter.Heaven EoN.
265
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 06:20:00 -
[89] - Quote
Not OP |

Shattered Mirage
D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
88
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 06:42:00 -
[90] - Quote
Not OP |
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1539
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 06:49:00 -
[91] - Quote
OP? eh.. debatable
Exploitable and currently being exploited? I certainly think so.
Gonna just copy pasta this over from the other thread I posted it in.
Quote: The mass driver itself may be fine, but explosives splash damage calculation and damage bonuses are not fine.
period.
This extends to grenades, flaylocks, missile turrets, REs, even swarm launchers (for the damage calcs)
Until splash damage is fixed, it will be abused and exploited until it is nerfed into the ground. Lets just look at missile turrets, REs, and contact grenades as examples of that.
To be fair, I think grenades are being exploited too. PC is plagued badly by grenade spam for the same reasons. |

Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
317
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 06:55:00 -
[92] - Quote
Not OP - still weaker than AR. |

Argo Filch
Cannonfodder PMC
45
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 06:57:00 -
[93] - Quote
OP as long as FF is off.
NOT OP if FF is off. |

OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
326
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 07:10:00 -
[94] - Quote
Op when ur walking around with a proto five high fit with proficiency 5 an 4 complex damage mods like the guy that just one shotted my whole team |

Eriknaught
Vader's Taco Shack
121
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 07:10:00 -
[95] - Quote
Not OP.
That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION. |

Marc Rime
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
117
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 09:43:00 -
[96] - Quote
In my experience: not OP.
...but who knows, maybe I mostly encounter MD-users with poor skills (both SP and player)? Too early to say for sure IMO. |

Corbina Ninja
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
200
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 09:45:00 -
[97] - Quote
not OP the problem is armor tank |

Big Popa Smurff
Seraphim Initiative..
457
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 09:46:00 -
[98] - Quote
needs tweaking but not OP, though iv heard thats it bugged and doing more damage to armor than intended is that true? |

Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
887
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 09:48:00 -
[99] - Quote
Is just another weapon in the game that in the right hands is OP ... like every other weapon.
Weapons are not OP, PLAYERS are OP.
This doesn't means that you can start nerfing people CCP !! Just in case you read this and think... " Hmmmm.... " |

shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
401
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 09:52:00 -
[100] - Quote
Don't allow damage mods for this weapon (not all weapons should be affected by Dmods, MD is one of them) Give to the explosive radius a progressive damage (not full damage at max range of explosion) Then it'll be fine, now it's not OP but it very close to the OPness. |
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
88
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 10:02:00 -
[101] - Quote
FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:Nosid Katona wrote:I'll vote op; for those who actually wanna read my reasoning here is why.
I'm an armor tanker and I know massholes are supposed to be the bane of my existence but they are a bit too effective if I'm not extremely careful or lucky when I notice one is around. If I don't notice one is around they might as well be a HK4M from chromosome that has just snuck up behind me; I'm utterly boned. I have 500+ Hp on my STD pub suit and 600+ on my advanced and with either it takes 3-4 shots of splash from ADV massholes to annihilate me. Now there are plenty of people better then me I'll be the first to admit that, and we have all accepted that armor tanking is a bit UP at the moment; but with how strong it is massholes are gonna see a huge increase in the next week thanks to the 2X SP and I really don't look forward to that.
Now before you go "You don't use it your opinion is invalid, you just need to HTFU or get good." your somewhat right; I don't use it. However my opinion of of how OP MDs is isn't completely uninformed and comes from Havok Director Gideon; he has been a dedicated masshole since early chromosome or even a little before, he even used the MD at the beginning of uprising and said it wasn't that UP just needed tweaking. He will be the first to tell you that it's OP without a doubt; he even says he uses it more often now so more people will see it, use it as this FOTM, and the nerf will come all the faster so it isn't another godlock situation. Honestly I'm with Gid on this one and want to see the MD work as intended and be effective in the right hands; not be just another AOE ''noobtube', I want DUST free of that old FPS cliche so it can grow into something much more grand.
Vae Victis
Edit: fixed spelling errors. It's just that Armor is weak and I agree. It's needs a major buff.
At the current state thats every explosive weapon is OP against armor. MD is a tricky one. Alone most are ok (Assault is imho OP nearly 10m Spalshradius is ridiculus on operation lvl 5) in masses spash damage always gets problematic :/ |

Mregomies
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
4
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 10:03:00 -
[102] - Quote
Not OP |

Flyingconejo
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
226
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 10:11:00 -
[103] - Quote
OP
I hope Alex from V-C does not see this  |

Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1082
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 10:14:00 -
[104] - Quote
Not OP.
NOT
FRICKEN'
OP
Gah! |

semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
752
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 10:19:00 -
[105] - Quote
Honestly all you would get from something like this is the ppl who feel strongly about this issue.... |

ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1078
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 10:21:00 -
[106] - Quote
not OP |

Cat Merc
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
3951
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 10:21:00 -
[107] - Quote
OP against armor. |

Kalisi Marada
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
1
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 10:52:00 -
[108] - Quote
Not OP at all |

Argo Filch
Cannonfodder PMC
45
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 12:14:00 -
[109] - Quote
As long as you can fire the MD in a group of people that are engaged in CQC and only damage the enemy with it and have your own people take no damage, it is OP.
But as soon as those FW changes come in i will never play a pub match again and then we'll see how happy the bluedots are getting killed from their own people spamming MDs.
As long as FF is enabled this weapon is just a noobtube that requires little to no skill to use effectively. |

Jakar Umbra
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
164
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 12:24:00 -
[110] - Quote
Not OP.  |
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Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
74
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 16:09:00 -
[111] - Quote
Updated. |

xLTShinySidesx
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
569
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 16:10:00 -
[112] - Quote
Not op |

Justin Tymes
Raymond James Corp
285
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 16:15:00 -
[113] - Quote
Not OP. |

Unmei no Hoeru
Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS.
28
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 16:22:00 -
[114] - Quote
Not OP, explosives calculations and armor just don't mix well together atm.
Ignore the fact I main MD btw. |

Spycrab Potato
Hold-Your-Fire
199
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 16:26:00 -
[115] - Quote
Not OP, but armor needs some help. |

RoundEy3
Metal Mind Industries
299
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 16:30:00 -
[116] - Quote
Not OP stop bitchin. |

Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
928
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 16:33:00 -
[117] - Quote
not op |

Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
1341
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 16:39:00 -
[118] - Quote
not op |

Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
1341
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 16:46:00 -
[119] - Quote
AR users= if it kills me nerf it |

Darth-Carbonite GIO
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
71
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 16:47:00 -
[120] - Quote
Not OP |
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1480
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 16:47:00 -
[121] - Quote
Not OP. Not even close. |

Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1083
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 16:53:00 -
[122] - Quote
Argo Filch wrote:As long as you can fire the MD in a group of people that are engaged in CQC and only damage the enemy with it and have your own people take no damage, it is OP.
But as soon as those FW changes come in i will never play a pub match again and then we'll see how happy the bluedots are getting killed from their own people spamming MDs.
As long as FF is not enabled this weapon is just a noobtube that requires little to no skill to use effectively.
I solo-leeroy crowds with it and occasionally emerge like an action hero from the smoke. Does that count as OP? It's pretty damn devastating. |

Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
855
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 16:55:00 -
[123] - Quote
The splash radius is OP. The Freedom Mass Driver needs to be 4.4 WITH skills instead of 5.5 with skills.
Do this and everyone is happy. |

XxWarlordxX97
187.
4399
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 16:58:00 -
[124] - Quote
OP |

Orion Vahid
DUST University Ivy League
99
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 17:03:00 -
[125] - Quote
Not OP |

Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
1342
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 17:10:00 -
[126] - Quote
TRAITOR!!!!!!! |

XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
904
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 17:13:00 -
[127] - Quote
You are missing people on OP If I really wanted to go through all the post I would but too lazy. I do know Middle Management and Semper Fi agree it's a monkeys weapon that anybody can play with it. |

Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
221
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 17:14:00 -
[128] - Quote
Not OP,armor just sucks balls |

Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
75
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 17:14:00 -
[129] - Quote
XeroTheBigBoss wrote:You are missing people on OP If I really wanted to go through all the post I would but too lazy. I do know Middle Management and Semper Fi agree it's a monkeys weapon that anybody can play with it.
Alright I'm about to leave but if you can show me the forum posts where they said it was OP I'll add the others.
|

Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
76
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 17:34:00 -
[130] - Quote
Updated. I'm leaving I'll be back later. |
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Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
970
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 17:45:00 -
[131] - Quote
Not OP - simply putting DUST on easy mode.
Should be a third category of "easy mode" |

Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1072
 |
Posted - 2013.08.08 18:51:00 -
[132] - Quote
Not OP |

FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
191
 |
Posted - 2013.08.09 00:40:00 -
[133] - Quote
And we see no op more and more |

Gio Poli
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
0
 |
Posted - 2013.08.09 01:31:00 -
[134] - Quote
OP definitely, everything is OP, nerf everything and make it suck like you did with my CalLogi
Damn I need to get over it lol |

SirManBoy
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
141
 |
Posted - 2013.08.09 01:32:00 -
[135] - Quote
Not OP. |

RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
244
 |
Posted - 2013.08.09 03:45:00 -
[136] - Quote
Yeah I kinda love the idea of the Mass Driver...as a mid-range support weapon. But it never really functions like that when I come up against folks using them. Most use it as a CQB spam machine. Kinda foolish if you ask me. Especially when you factor all the smoke and distortion that the thing causes. How players don't blow the hell outta themselves is beyond me.
I think if you are going to "fix" the Mass Driver it need not have anything to do with damage...spash or direct. Instead incorporate two things:
1. Slower rate of fire and slower projectile speed. This will ensure the skill factor is present in the weapon handling. Careful shots should be key.
2. Incorporate a minimum number of "twists" or minimum distance the projectile has to travel before it is armed and will explode. This is a simple feature of most real world grenade launchers as a safety measure and will help ensure the weapon cannot be used as some kind of super-shotgun. It keeps the weapon locked into mid-range combat. You can still give the projectile some damage capability if you get a direct hit at close range...just not explosive damage.
Work in those physics and the Mass Driver makes a lot more sense IMO. |
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