A 30 day 100 x SP event on Passive and Active skill points.

Proper core mechanics. ;_;

I don't think it's about pulling in new players so much as retaining the ones it already has :/

You're saying CCP has only grinding to offer? No fun in the game?

PVE

It will probably be the safest place for newbies to learn how to play the game and still make progress.


But even that probably won't be enough.

Proper core mechanics. ;_;

And stop this PVE nonsense.

PVE is for story based AAA titles.

Why would anyone play Dust and shoot at bots? Its only useable for the EVE carebear peeps that are tired of getting stomped in a game that actually require some playerskill. This is not a point and click in space game, its an competitive shooter.

Dust has serious playerbase issues, taking even more players away is not a good idea.

Dust is F2P and needs as many carebears as it can get; large numbers of casuals who are willing to spend time playing the game and eventually maybe spend some money.

Dust can still be a competitive shooter and still have a separate area (pve) for people to safely learn how to play the game.

What thing could CCP add that would increase average player count by several thousand?

I think: MTACs or Fighters.

And here is the core dilemma. What is DUST 514? MMORPG? MMOFPS? FPSRPG? RPGMMOFPS?

No one knows. Don't even think CCP does. What is the use of a roadmap if there is no destination?

It is meant to be a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing First Person Shooter.

Of course this is a work in progress. Currently it is not so Massive.

They are still working on refining the FPS combat mechanics, and the Role Playing component is limited because a lot of Racial variants of things like vehicles have not been added yet. Not to mention how limited communications are in the DUST with very poor in game mail, no web access to in game mail, and no private messaging on the forums. There is still a massive amount of work to be done.

And stop this PVE nonsense.

PVE is for story based AAA titles.

Why would anyone play Dust and shoot at bots? Its only useable for the EVE carebear peeps that are tired of getting stomped in a game that actually require some playerskill. This is not a point and click in space game, its an competitive shooter.

Dust has serious playerbase issues, taking even more players away is not a good idea.

I think of Dust as being like some complete dolt's multiclass Barbarian/Wizard/Rogue.

Shunned by all. Looked upon with horror by those who like to run proper Barbarians, Wizards and Rogues.

The community. That's where it starts. They could give all the content you guys has been asking for since God knows when, and still wouldn't help if the community is bad mouthing every step of the way.

And you know what? I like that Dust is not appealing to the masses. It's a niche game and it requires people who understand that. To gain more players would more than likely pull in hardcore BF and COD fans who play this game like they do those two. Who would complain even more and make threads/threats about leaving.

Plus, the full scope is not even realized yet for this game. The forum needs a class in decorum and tact when dealing with the devs. The game as a whole needs work and implementations that will take time. It also needs a dedicated community who can judge it objectively and suggest ideas that would better it.

In other words, we got plenty of in house things to do before we worry about bringing in a influx of players.

I've met some cool folks on these boards but nothing compares to the players in game. It's like night and day. On the forums, the majority sounds like whining brats. In game, the majority are excited and dedicated to the game. Heck, I'm starting to see familiar faces in the Caldari chat that I know play the game at least every day if not every other, like me.

I've said this numerous times, but I'm betting on the fact on how they pulled off EVE is how they will pull off Dust. In other words, we gotta let this baby simmer and raise it right.

7+ or 10years. for a game to get itself together. A GAME? ......then again that's those that actually think eve as the most exciting game since the good old days of playing that point and click face book vampire game.

*think ccp is making that game too..*

WOW.

Barbarian/Wizard/Rogue will conquer all! It just takes 3 times longer to level up. Give it time.

Start pumping out maps. Make dozens of them. They can have elements of the old maps recombined in new ways. Make it so that different planets actually have different maps.

Strengthen PC. Make it so that EVE PI has to be contracted to Mercs to either guard PI to conquer planets for PI - you can make it so for example just in Molden Heath as not to upset the whole EVE economy too much.

And stop this PVE nonsense.

PVE is for story based AAA titles.

Why would anyone play Dust and shoot at bots? Its only useable for the EVE carebear peeps that are tired of getting stomped in a game that actually require some playerskill. This is not a point and click in space game, its an competitive shooter.

Dust has serious playerbase issues, taking even more players away is not a good idea.

PvE wouldn't really fix the game at least not at first, it could potentially kill the game actually.

now this is just a hypothetical, so take it with a grain of salt.

game population is about 800-900 active playing games not afk at any given time.

if PVE was introduced I suspect most new players would run to that rather then getting pub stomped, old players would then stick to playing PVP once they got bored of beating on dumb AI's.

this would leave pvp format as nothing but hardcore proto pub stompers if I was to to take a guess I'd say that is about 35% of the current pvp population but then how and when will the lowly newbie get into pvp? short answer they probably won't. any new player who tried to get into pvp would likely face an army of proto stompers

killing the pvp population slowly over time, and eventually the game.

player retention might go up, and I'm hoping for that result, but f their is no encouragement to move to the "more rewarding" pvp formats, then the game will lose both the pvp and pve minded players eventually.

PVE would allow new players a chance to train and partially catch up in SP before going into PVP, and make them less likely to get stomped in PVP. Its better to fight a proto army after training on drones and having gained some SP then to fight the proto army without the practice and SP gained.
If properly advertised, PVE would attract more than enough players to more than make up for the decreased percentage of PVP players.

PVE

It will probably be the safest place for newbies to learn how to play the game and still make progress.


But even that probably won't be enough by itself.

Zombies.

to bad i cant double like this. I would throw anyone new in there and train them before I sent them to the pubs.

Having ALL racial dropsuits, vehicles and weapons in game.
Having actually 1000's of maps like we were promised instead of the stupid socket system that is just the same map with different buildings to look at.
Having good game modes and not this boring POS skirmish 2.0 we have atm
Having player controlled MCC gameplay

4 things but I believe that is the necessary things for the game to thrive. PVE could not interest me less, it would be the same old thing but just shooting dumb AI bots over and over. Would become repetitive even faster than the PVP.

And stop this PVE nonsense.

PVE is for story based AAA titles.

Why would anyone play Dust and shoot at bots? Its only useable for the EVE carebear peeps that are tired of getting stomped in a game that actually require some playerskill. This is not a point and click in space game, its an competitive shooter.

Dust has serious playerbase issues, taking even more players away is not a good idea.

allowing mercs to battle for sovereignty in eve space with massive eve contracts backing the best of the best.

this would bring back the competitive scene overnight.

7+ or 10years. for a game to get itself together. A GAME? ......then again that's those that actually think eve as the most exciting game since the good old days of playing that point and click face book vampire game.

*think ccp is making that game too..*

WOW.

Uhhhhhh it took L.A. Noire about 10 years to come out. People paid 60 for it and it was a broken mess. So really what is your point?

If you don't have it in you to stick it out for the long haul, then why stick around? And the game you're talking about is World of Darkness, which was set aside to focus more on EVE/Dust.

You guys are so fairweather...

Fully agree. This generalized eve mentality and philosophy hasn't been doing THIS game any favors. Eve in itself is a great game and a significant part of DUST but they are different in nearly every way.

I think this guy is a CCP cultist.

Put him out in natural sunlight for a day. It should either cure him or kill him. If the latter at least a soul was saved.

So now I am cultist because I don't follow the grey and gloom perspectives yall hold. Because I think forward instead of wallowing?

You guys are so silly...

And stop this PVE nonsense.

PVE is for story based AAA titles.

Why would anyone play Dust and shoot at bots? Its only useable for the EVE carebear peeps that are tired of getting stomped in a game that actually require some playerskill. This is not a point and click in space game, its an competitive shooter.

Dust has serious playerbase issues, taking even more players away is not a good idea.

So, Most people here believe core mechanics need fixed and are the only way to gain/keep players.
~This may be true. It was not the question, but it may still be true.

The question was was meant to have a less obvious answer. Basically I was asking other than fixing the actual game, what new element would entice more players interests.


PVE may be the most common answer to the actual question of this thread, however I'm not sure that could be described as a single piece of content. I was thinking much smaller (realistically possible within a small timeframe) things.

a map, a game mode, a suit, a vehicle, a few modules,


PVE requires maps, models, AI, networking, LOTS of consideration in game design / balance. hugely important economic impact decisions, animations ?, storylines, etc etc.

iv seen ALOT of people say PVE..

PVE will probably save this game because of the chance to actually enjoy this game and not get pub stomped to the point of deleting this game from their console.

im bored of PVP, PE would give me the chance to finally let lose and relax during gameplay by allowing me to explore and interact with things I normally couldn't.. PVE is probably the best chance we have right now

What would PVE look like to you?

Some level on Star Fox where drones just keep flying in and you have to fend them off for a time till the boss comes?

The maps are not really conducive to dungeon type PVE if I'm correct. Maybe all the drones spawned in a city, clones in another and they keep coming at them or something? I really can't imagine how it would work on certain maps like that manus peak - the one that used to be laser heaven with the craigs coming out of the ground.

Better tutorials. If that has not been said yet. Also as a side note, CCP if your reading this. Give enough free AUR to purchase 1 BPO of something. Also have a guided tutorial of what it is and where and how to get more. New players have no idea about BPO and how ISK rich you can get playing ISK cheep using BPO. You will find you make more as a free to play model.

What would PVE look like to you?

Some level on Star Fox where drones just keep flying in and you have to fend them off for a time till the boss comes?

The maps are not really conducive to dungeon type PVE if I'm correct. Maybe all the drones spawned in a city, clones in another and they keep coming at them or something? I really can't imagine how it would work on certain maps like that manus peak - the one that used to be laser heaven with the craigs coming out of the ground.

Dust gets a 1000 new players every few days easily.

The problem is retention.

I'd say the opposite, drones spawn outside the city then the Clones try to break out and destroy/disable drone spawns

This ^^ If new players had 2 million SP when they leave the academy they could have much greater survivability than currently, also they would be introduced to corps as well giving more incentive to stay.

SP != survivability, never has, never will.

I was taking on protosuits with only 1.5 million sp. That's because I play a lot of shooters. It's more about training new players on different play styles and having them learn ones that work for them, not giving them SP that they'll end up wasting on something they know nothing about yet.

PvE wouldn't really fix the game at least not at first, it could potentially kill the game actually.

now this is just a hypothetical, so take it with a grain of salt.

game population is about 800-900 active playing games not afk at any given time.

if PVE was introduced I suspect most new players would run to that rather then getting pub stomped, old players would then stick to playing PVP once they got bored of beating on dumb AI's.

this would leave pvp format as nothing but hardcore proto pub stompers if I was to to take a guess I'd say that is about 35% of the current pvp population but then how and when will the lowly newbie get into pvp? short answer they probably won't. any new player who tried to get into pvp would likely face an army of proto stompers

killing the pvp population slowly over time, and eventually the game.

player retention might go up, and I'm hoping for that result, but f their is no encouragement to move to the "more rewarding" pvp formats, then the game will lose both the pvp and pve minded players eventually.

And stop this PVE nonsense.

PVE is for story based AAA titles.

Why would anyone play Dust and shoot at bots? Its only useable for the EVE carebear peeps that are tired of getting stomped in a game that actually require some playerskill. This is not a point and click in space game, its an competitive shooter.

Dust has serious playerbase issues, taking even more players away is not a good idea.

What thing could CCP add that would increase average player count by several thousand?

I think: MTACs or Fighters.