7. no recoil

The AR doesn't use bullets but uses plasma and turns it into a lethal bolt of... well, plasma
there wouldn't be any recoil

Just want to point something out

the AR doesn't use bullets but uses plasma and turns it into a lethal bolt of... well, plasma
there wouldn't be any recoil

I agree with everything else though

AR = 425 dps
20gj blaster turret = 357.125
80gj blater turret = 750.05
crd-9 Assault scrambler rifle (advanced level) = 444.717
HMG = 533.33
MD = 225 direct 115 splash (one round a second, lol)
Sniper rifle = 158.3

1. has the fastest reload speed in the game (except for scrambler pistols and flaylocks) <-- Scrambler rifle is the fastest
2. never overheats <-- Balacs overheats after 62 shots
3. has a 60 round clip, each with bullets that do 34+ damage <-- Scrambler rifle has a 72 round clip with a shot that does 45.38 damage against shields, without damage mods and not including proficiency skills

4. the militia does 425 dps w/o damage mods <-- scramble rifle has a DPS of 444.717 not including % efficiency
5. does 110% to shield and 100% to armor <-- 110/90
6. has negligible dispersion <-- If you fire your gun in bursts
7. no recoil <-- has recoil with sustained fire, mitigated by firing in bursts
8. can be fit on any suit <-- So can every other gun except the heavy weapons
9. out ranges everygun except snipers <-- Correct
10. has extremely accurate hip fire <--- So does the scrambler rifle
11. has the most blue prints of any gun in the game (costs 0 isk and is more effective than proto weaponry thats not AR) <-- Depends what your comparing it to, although blueprints are always militia so this really doesn't make them OP per say.

12. the militia variant can kill a heavy in 2.38 seconds without damage mods (with lvl 5 sheild and armor) <-- If the heavy is standing still and not facing the person, because an HMG can kill a assault suit a lot faster, that is if the assault suit wasn't strafing all over the place, but that is a gameplay issue not a AR issue.

13. the milita variant can kill a scout in 0.71 seconds without damage mods (with lvl 5 shield and armor) <-- Scouts are UP

1. moves only marginaly slower than a scout <-- Which suit, a shield suit or a Gallente/Amarr suit? Because the speed difference is almost 20% with the Gallente suits
2. can tank ehp rivaling heavies <-- Heavies are UP in the EHP department
3. can use equipment (making it a viable option over the logi suit) <-- Only when all the assaults are working together and synchronizing their equipment they can completely weed out a logistics suit since they are more of a burden than an asset in PC.
4. is extremely mobile <--- Again which suit a shield suit or a Gallente/Amarr suit?
5. has the hit box only marginally larger than a scout
6. has a turn speed thats just as fast a s ascout and 4x as fast as a heavy <-- After 1.4 this will be true, speed difference is highly exaggerated though.

Just want to point something out

the AR doesn't use bullets but uses plasma and turns it into a lethal bolt of... well, plasma
there wouldn't be any recoil

I agree with everything else though

Hero,

valid points

its unstoppable...lol

Great info by the way but did you notice that the HMG does more damage? Or that that AR does have kick during extended bursts while the assault scrambler rifle does not (though it does still have a very small cone of dispersion).

What about actual reload speed numbers. I believe the scrambler beats it there as do almost all the side arms based upon my in game testing experience with all these weapons though I could be wrong.
Your statement that the BPO varients of the AR are more effective than any non-AR proto weapon are also patently false.
1) Given elevation or at less than 30m an advanced MD will ruin even a skilled AR user with an equivalent or better AR. If this is combined with fluxes it is an even more dramatic win for the MD user.

2) Against shield tankers the scrambler rifle is vastly more useful (Have you tried them? They are great!)

3) Only heavy weapons can't be fit on any suit so I don't see the point of #8

4) They do not actually out range any weapon other than sniper rifles. I'd like you to look at the Dev Blog for proof about this one. The scrambler wins again! And the TAR, which you rightly point out still has extremely long range, is actually rather hard to kill with thanks to its perfectly low rate of fire. The TAR is a very situationally usefull weapon right now.

5) How long would it take a heavy to kill an AR user assuming every round hits and assuming the person is in a standard assault suit? I'm guessing it is a bit longer than it takes to kill a heavy with an AR...am I right?

6) How long does it take a scout to kill an AR user with a shotgun, once again assuming every shot actually hits and that the AR user in question is in assault gear. From experience I can tell you that a scout can one shot an assault suit if hit detection is working.

1. has the fastest reload speed in the game (except for scrambler pistols and flaylocks) <--AR reload cancels faster than the scrambler so it is the fastest.
2. never overheats <-- Balacs is a proto level officer gun. no overheat damage is taken, and overheat recovery is instantaneous
3. has a 60 round clip, each with bullets that do 34+ damage <-- Scrambler rifle has a 48 round clip with a shot that does 78 damage against shields, without damage mods and not including proficiency skills. but is a single fire weapon with less range than an AR

4. the militia does 425 dps w/o damage mods <--Assault scramble rifle has a DPS of 444.717 not including % efficiency. again this is a LVL 4 advanced gun comparaed to a milita rilfe bro
5. does 110% to shield and 100% to armor <-- 110/90 ..oops my bad. still negligible difference considering the high dps.
6. has negligible dispersion <-- even sustained fire has no recoil up unitl your 45th round and past that it is still low recoil
7. no recoil <-- dispersion is nonexistent up until your 50th round fired when sustained.
8. can be fit on any suit <--this is with reference to CPU/PG requirements which are quite forgiving.
9. out ranges everygun except snipers <-- Correct
10. has extremely accurate hip fire <--- scrambler rifle is a single fire weapon. AR is full auto, save the assault scrmabler but again its an ADV lvl4 weapon compared to a milita AR
11. has the most blue prints of any gun in the game (costs 0 isk and is more effective than proto weaponry thats not AR) <-- BPOs come in STD and militia. but having a free gun that does more DPS than proto weaponry, and beats tank turrets in DPS is kinda OP. BPO isnt op, but the gun needs fixing.

12. the militia variant can kill a heavy in 2.38 seconds without damage mods (with lvl 5 sheild and armor) <-- due to the heavies large hit box moving or standing still yeilds the same result unless the AR guy has no aim. an HMG can only kill a assault suit a lot faster when the AR guy is 3-4m infront of him and not moving otherwise you dead using a Heavy suit verse an AR.

13. the milita variant can kill a scout in 0.71 seconds without damage mods (with lvl 5 shield and armor) <-- Scouts are UP

1. moves only marginaly slower than a scout <-- Which suit, a shield suit or a Gallente/Amarr suit? Because the speed difference is almost 20% with the Gallente suits. amaro tanking is broke, thats another issue
2. can tank ehp rivaling heavies <-- Heavies are UP in the EHP department
3. can use equipment (making it a viable option over the logi suit) <-- Only when all the assaults are working together and synchronizing their equipment they can completely weed out a logistics suit since they are more of a burden than an asset in PC. again making Logis pointless
4. is extremely mobile <--- Again which suit a shield suit or a Gallente/Amarr suit? armor is UP
5. has the hit box only marginally larger than a scout >> true
6. has a turn speed thats just as fast a s ascout and 4x as fast as a heavy <-- After 1.4 this will be true, speed difference is highly exaggerated though.

On the recoil and dispersion we are so many years ahead in time so really no gun should have any recoil by now specially since most of our guns aren't even firing projectiles. In our modern time we many guns that have little to no recoil, and very tight dispersion that is barely noticeable except in very long ranges. Of course guns also only take 1 shot to kill but that's another point.

What do you use D legendary?

I don't think ARs are OP. I think everything else is UP and either they need to be BUFFed or ARs nerfed its



^^if thats the case my HMG should have perfect accuracy and zero disperion.

Like I said in other threads and my own thread on the subject, the current Gallente AR just needs a faster dispersion increase rate in order to require it to be fired in long bursts to stay accurate.

As well - and I'm not surprised at this, since this is CCP's first shooter - there is another issue.

The dispersion rate resets the moment your release the trigger. With the way the DS3 triggers work, this means that you can quickly release just enough pressure and then depress the trigger again to allow you to burn through an entire magazine while remaining completely accurate.

This is similar to how pulsing your trigger rapidly in Halo 3 would result in winning any AR v AR battle against someone who just held the trigger down.

The dispersion rate needs to have some kind of time-based falloff such that you can't feather the trigger to stay accurate without slowing your rate of fire.

still i have stated my case. The evidence is irrefutible. people say its used because its the standard. but the standard wouldn't account for more kills than anything else. gattling guns killed more people than rifles in WWI, bombs killed more people in ARs in WWII. ARs are important, but not the most effective means to an end

Good write up, but there's one thing that even the devs overlooked:

i dont see the ar being op in any way..its ineffect at range well the rapid fire one is any ways u rnt going to hit much...


its goood at close to mid range and the duvolles some so op because of the damage mods that playerrs love putting on them...

then we have the assualt suits have more hp than heavies problem...

Thanks for putting the quote here! Was about to do it myself.

I imagine the AR would seem like it had no balance issues at all if it weren't for the ability to do exactly what I described in my post to perfect effect.

Compare a GEK to the Advanced Scrambler rifle.
They are near an exact match DPS wise.

They both barely rise in DPS between the levels.
Obvious bias is obvious.

ScR overheats.