Assault Scrambler rifle.
He used Assault in his example.

Assault variant takes a clip and a half to overheat, and even more if it's a Amarr assault.
It might as well not be there.

actually it requires ZERO skill and SP... mitlia BPO, toxin, DREN, recuter AR....

all with 425 dps

all of which can kill a heavy a speced out heavy in 2.3 seconds or less and a scout in .70 seconds or less


MD never was OP, isnt OP and never will be OP. ARs are OP

Good write up, but there's one thing that even the devs overlooked:

Personally I do not care for d legendary.
He suggested giving HMG's the same damage as AR's, and also reducing dispersion, basically making any weapon besides the HMG pointless

So yeah, he's not a balancing master.
He couldn't even get his facts right.

Think of it this way: Remember the old T-II heavies we had in Chrome that were much faster and had front loaded shields? Let's say that was a placeholder for the Minmatar heavy. With the current state the HMG is in right now, it'd be horrible for a mobile suit like that in terms of leading a charge into CQC areas over point defense. The HMG is going to need some work, maybe not in damage/range/dispersion, but in suppression to make it better at crowd control so it's more versatile in multiple situations instead of simple point defense.

I agree.
However, his suggestion of giving every bullet 34 damage is as ridiculous as it gets, and why I don't take any of his posts seriously balance wise.
I think HMG bullets slowing you down is the answer.

Mobius Kaethis is amazing and always correct. I'll never doubt or contradict anything he says.

Hero I'm sorry but your are still wrong. Your still not accounting for damage versus shields vs armor. Additionally saying that canceling weapon reload speed is an important factor in making a weapon better than another is silly.

I've said it before and I'll say it a million times. Your comparing specialist weapons to a generalist weapon. The AR functions well in every area but in specific areas the other weapons really out shine it. Sure the AR can kill a shot gun scout from far away but a laser can do it better and a shotgun will ruin an AR user in CQC, just as an example. If you think the game should not have a generalist weapon that is an entirely different argument but saying a weapon is OP simply because it works well in most situations as opposed to great in specific ones is failing to see the larger picture.

Hero I'm sorry but your are still wrong. Your still not accounting for damage versus shields vs armor. Additionally saying that canceling weapon reload speed is an important factor in making a weapon better than another is silly.

I've said it before and I'll say it a million times. Your comparing specialist weapons to a generalist weapon. The AR functions well in every area but in specific areas the other weapons really out shine it. Sure the AR can kill a shot gun scout from far away but a laser can do it better and a shotgun will ruin an AR user in CQC, just as an example. If you think the game should not have a generalist weapon that is an entirely different argument but saying a weapon is OP simply because it works well in most situations as opposed to great in specific ones is failing to see the larger picture.

How often do you see people using the burst and breach AR?

Most specialist weapons have been nerfed to the point that they barely compete in their niche with the generalist weapon.

Recently I've been seeing the breach AR quite a bit actually which is funny since it is just this side of useless.

Point #5 I just don't get. Why is it buffed against shields but doesn't lose effectiveness against armour?

Also, forge guns have more range than a non tac ar.

Hero,

This is the third post I have seen you make about this topic. I would like to direct you to the forums rules (for your convience I have only posted the ones that apply to you ):

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As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.

I find #12 especially pertinent since it says spamming is defined as, "repetitive posting of the same topic." You've already got your tears thread. Could you please just include your facts in that one.

Great info by the way but did you notice that the HMG does more damage? Or that that AR does have kick during extended bursts while the assault scrambler rifle does not (though it does still have a very small cone of dispersion).

What about actual reload speed numbers. I believe the scrambler beats it there as do almost all the side arms based upon my in game testing experience with all these weapons though I could be wrong.

Your statement that the BPO varients of the AR are more effective than any non-AR proto weapon are also patently false.
1) Given elevation or at less than 30m an advanced MD will ruin even a skilled AR user with an equivalent or better AR. If this is combined with fluxes it is an even more dramatic win for the MD user.
2) Against shield tankers the scrambler rifle is vastly more useful (Have you tried them? They are great!)
3) Only heavy weapons can't be fit on any suit so I don't see the point of #8
4) They do not actually out range any weapon other than sniper rifles. I'd like you to look at the Dev Blog for proof about this one. The scrambler wins again! And the TAR, which you rightly point out still has extremely long range, is actually rather hard to kill with thanks to its perfectly low rate of fire. The TAR is a very situationally usefull weapon right now.
5) How long would it take a heavy to kill an AR user assuming every round hits and assuming the person is in a standard assault suit? I'm guessing it is a bit longer than it takes to kill a heavy with an AR...am I right?
6) How long does it take a scout to kill an AR user with a shotgun, once again assuming every shot actually hits and that the AR user in question is in assault gear. From experience I can tell you that a scout can one shot an assault suit if hit detection is working.

I would also like to point out that your damage figures seem to have failed to take the damage bonses into account. Remember that laser weapons get huge shield bonuses causing them to do more effective DPS against shields and explosive weapons get a similar boost vs armor. To really get accurate numbers you should give damage figures vs a suit with say 200 shields and 200 armor (just a even number for easy comparison) and talk about the time it would take each weapon to melt said suit, taking into account damage bonuses. Then to get even more technical you should really describe some real suit fits and how long it would take each of the weapons to kill those fits, taking into account damage bonuses once again. Doing so would show you that against armor tankers MD are going to be more effective and SR will be more effective against shield tankers. The AR will, I am going to guess split the difference, but I'd love for you to prove me wrong.

Now, when you add all that up it doesn't look like the AR is that OP after all. Hmmm funny that. Perhaps it is hit detection issues that are causing your woes?

A experimental nuclear weapon is!

Good write up, but there's one thing that even the devs overlooked:

Yeah, I didn't even know about this until I saw you mention it. I played around with an Exile today and realized how exploitable it is. Any chance I can get a link to your original topic? It's desperately in need of a bump.

*failes to read my other responses*

Personally I do not care for d legendary.
He suggested giving HMG's the same damage as AR's, and also reducing dispersion, basically making any weapon besides the HMG pointless

So yeah, he's not a balancing master.
He couldn't even get his facts right.

Also, don't lie, you think the AR is OP and want to nerf it:

Hero I'm sorry but your are still wrong. Your still not accounting for damage versus shields vs armor. Additionally saying that canceling weapon reload speed is an important factor in making a weapon better than another is silly.

I've said it before and I'll say it a million times. Your comparing specialist weapons to a generalist weapon. The AR functions well in every area but in specific areas the other weapons really out shine it. Sure the AR can kill a shot gun scout from far away but a laser can do it better and a shotgun will ruin an AR user in CQC, just as an example. If you think the game should not have a generalist weapon that is an entirely different argument but saying a weapon is OP simply because it works well in most situations as opposed to great in specific ones is failing to see the larger picture.

It's simply too good at the role of generalist weapon, making it the one weapon to rule them all currently.

Most specialist weapons have been nerfed to the point that they barely compete in their niche with the generalist weapon.

That's why the AR is so overused. It's a no brainer, and it's making dust into a no brainer game.

Also I would like to point out that just because something is heavily used does not mean it is deserving of a nerf or that it is in any way ruining the game... Prove it to them by smashing them with explosive shells