Mass drivers need to be removed, flaylocks need to be removed, game was good before those but now not quite as much.

Hail AR 514, go AR or go home. Right?

Mass drivers need to be removed, flaylocks need to be removed, game was good before those but now not quite as much.

Hail AR 514, go AR or go home. Right?

Hail 1HKO weapons, skill is for noobs. Right?

Hail 1HKO weapons, skill is for noobs. Right?

All hail bullet hoses, the staple of every FPS.

Wait, what about Halo?

Or Quake?

Or Arma (bad example maybe....)?

Bullet hose are BAD for make a diverse game, cause then all the guns homogenize until the point in which the usage of any of them are not rewarded or punished.

Everything just plays the same. That's why I hate so much on CoD. There's no real advantage to using the AK over the M4 or the M4 over the M249.

Lol, if you think running an Ar means you have skill, well...I don't know what to tell you.

AR is the noobs weapon.

I use SMG's and Nova knives, You quoted the wrong person broski.

Still, i think AR need more ''skill' than a 1HKO EXPLOSIVE weapon. LOL
Nub tubz anyone?

I use SMG's and Nova knives, You quoted the wrong person broski.

Mass drivers need to be removed, flaylocks need to be removed, game was good before those but now not quite as much.

Hail 1HKO weapons, skill is for noobs. Right?

You've obviously never used the MD. 1HKO? If you were 1HKO'd from a MD, you deserved it.

Still, i think AR need more ''skill' than a 1HKO EXPLOSIVE weapon. LOL
Nub tubz anyone?

ok, so which weapon is a 1HKO EXPLOSIVE nub tubz? No explosive weapon can one shot someone.

Can you name a weapon that takes less skill than the AR that actually exists in the game?

Phew, hard task.

Impossible If you don't want to count LAVs.

So you, nothing is more easy mode then the AR.

Honestly, even LAVs probably take more skill. Though not much.

Phew, hard task.

Impossible If you don't want to count LAVs.

So you, nothing is more easy mode then the AR.

Honestly, even LAVs probably take more skill. Though not much.

Mass drivers need to be removed, flaylocks need to be removed, game was good before those but now not quite as much.

Mass drivers need to be removed, flaylocks need to be removed, game was good before those but now not quite as much.

Uh you batshit insane? And you are probably a shield tanker too....

I have two statements followed by and addendum.

Shield tanking is for pussies, You don't know Explosive pain until you have armour tanked, now if you are an armour tanker you will know that skilled players will still skill shot us to death and the only people using flay locks now are those people.

Mass Drivers are not OP they are good weapons, I wont touch them because they belong to the dirty Minmatar renegades but I cannot see why you would complain about grenades launchers working as intended.

Also quoting from the CCP gospel here is my addendum

"And yea the developers pass unto us these words to live by.... HTFU son!"

Flaylock is fine now. It definitely fits to be a side arm rather than a primary. Mass Driver I think needs a slight nerf, I'm a fast scout, and these things hit me every time. Even if it's just a scratch it still hits me. It might be slow, but it's splash is too strong. To wide. I've even gotten in guys faces damages them and they STILL kill me. But he doesn't get a suicide? Wtf?

I like the Flaylock nerf, no body uses them anymore really(what a surprise) because it's actually a SIDEARM NOW. Mass Driver just needs a splash nerf.

For the AR, I don't understand why you people keep complaining about it. It's not OP, you gotta hit someone a **** ton to kill them. Noob weapon? Come one guys, it shoots in a straight freaking line, if you're moving the guy shooting better have some good aiming skills. Otherwise he's ******. It's also a hybrid weapon, so it does equal damage to both shield and armor.

It's so hilarious seeing people complain about the most basic and standard weapon in the game. In the right hands, it's deadly. Most people on the battlefield are going to be using it, so of course it's going to kill you. And I have never ever seen an AR blow a tank up lol. I'm starting to believe that people ***** about the AR just to *****.

Hail AR 514, go AR or go home. Right?

to fix the MD make it do 34 damage per shot and havea fire rate of 750.

MD are mid -close range weapons (at true mid range they can't beat an AR, at true close range the kill the user) you must lead your shots, its an area denial tool. i have no problem with mass drivers whether im running heavy or scout even on my alt (just go out of academy 2 weeks ago. i have no problem with mass drivers)

flaylocks were never OP, but even with the nerf i can still pwn just as many people because you can't nerf my skill. flaylocks killed only in CQC as they were desinged, try fighting from mid-range as your ARs were desinged.


ARs on the other hand devastate in close range, midrange, and longrange (not siper long range, but fartherout than anyother weapon besides snipers and forguns). ARs are supposed to be vesitile not the I win button everyone wants

Mass drivers need to be removed, flaylocks need to be removed, game was good before those but now not quite as much.

the forgun is a OHK on infantry but requires massive amounts of SP and skills to actually use well. in CQC you are peiced up, at mid range your peiced up. at long range snipers peice you up.

and even if your on top of a building killing infantry 1. you have to know how to fly derp ships which = skill and 2. you have to time your enemies movements and lead your shots. 3. everyone knows where you are, because a. roof, and b. shinning blue ball flying across your screen tends to demand attention.


AR on the other hand.... lets see, everyone gets it, everyone uses it, it comes free with militia fits, has high dps, can be used for almost anything. is better than most guns at everything, reloads in 3s or less (fast than an SMG, a side arm reloads!), has dps comparable to an HMG, has accuracy comparable to a sniper, never over heats, has zero dispersion... use the most balanced amount of CPU/PG of anything other than side arms. can be effective on any suit... works with aim or spray and pray.... masks your location because everyone is using it... it blows up tanks

AR = OP

Mass drivers need to be removed, flaylocks need to be removed, game was good before those but now not quite as much.

ok, so which weapon is a 1HKO EXPLOSIVE nub tubz? No explosive weapon can one shot someone.

Can you name a weapon that takes less skill than the AR that actually exists in the game?

thats the only thing I agree about, the MD needs to deal more dmg to the user if he shoots the wall he's standing next to.

Use the MD.You'll find that if they can hit a fast scout, odds are they're rather skilled and would own you with any weapon.

The AR does not take skill to aim. It has a 60 round capacity and a blistering DPS. All you have to do is point and spray and you'll get kills. If I can do that with a standard level AR with no skills in it (I use the 'exile') so can you.

The DPS from the AR one of the best in the game. Here's some numbers for you. All weapons are standard level unlesws otherwise stated.

AR = 425 dps
20gj blaster turret = 357.125
80gj blater turret = 750.05
crd-9 Assault scrambler rifle (advanced level) = 444.717
HMG = 533.33
MD = 225 direct 115 splash (one round a second, lol)
Sniper rifle = 158.3


As you can see the AR outpaces the turret version of the same tech keeps pace with an advanced level weapon and beats the MD and SR's DPS by large amounts.

It even keeps pace with the HMG's damage as the AR is much more accurate leading to many more of those shots actually hitting, and then we can factor in damage type making the AR much better at taking on shields (110% vs the HMG's 95%) making it better at taking on the game's most common form of tanking.

So yeah, the AR has one of the best DPS in the game (counting turrets) with no real downsides and generous fitting stats.

The AR is getting decently balanced now due to shorter ranges and other weapons getting buffed, but it IS the easiest weapon to use and one of the most damaging, all with no real downsides and it's skill gives you access to the Tac AR giving any AR user a way to kill at range.

They screwed the flaylock. Hardly anyone uses it now. Myself included

Sounds like you had a bad day with flaylocks and MDs. But the flaylock is nerfed and the MD should be, i mean it has 6 ammo in each of its clips and long range!

I can seriously doubt they can beat anyone with anything other than the MD. Thing requires no skill. I've played against a lot of people who used the Flaylock before it was nerfed, they are either getting their asses kicked, or somewhere sniping with a forge gun or using a mass driver.

The scrambler rifle is also a laser weapon, meant to destroy shield and weaker against armor. The AR is hybrid.
The HMG is well, a heavy weapon so the bullets don't just fire straight like an AR does, HMG is DEADLY at CQC, AR isn't. Mid range HMG is still good, AR is at it's best. Long Range, HMG useless, AR is pretty useless unless you can aim well. Like I said, it shoots in a straight line making moving targets hard to hit.

Not sure what to say about the blasters. The sniper rifle is a slow shooting weapon and I know for a fact it does more damage than that. I got a **** ton of armor on my assault suit and a standard rifle get's me pretty good. Wipes my shield out and a good amount of my armor.

The reason most of the people complain about the AR is because that's what they get killed by the most. Most people use it. Chances are you're going to get killed by it. The AR is meant to be flexible, it's the standard weapon. It does it's job like it's supposed to. AR needs to be left alone.

So the weapon that gets one shot a second, and requires at least two direct shots coming from the slowest projectile with an arced flightpath or 4 rounds with splash damage to kill someone at prototype level takes no skill at all?

Skill into it and post screenshots or I'm calling bull ****.

BS. you can use the hipfire to mow down moving targets easily. You don't have to be good at aiming, all you have to do is point at the target and 70% of your rounds will hit target.

first things first. There should not be a standard weapon. That's boring. I want some diversity in the gameplay. The ARs being the standard weapon stops that from happening. It's too big of universe for that to be anywhere near acceptable.


I do agree with you about the AR needing to be left alone. Other weapons should be buffed.

Your AR, Sniper Rifle and Forge Gun all have long range too. Just because someone has some skill at aiming a weapon that accounts for trajectory and distance to actually hit close enough to kill a person does not make it broken or in need of a fix, quite the opposite in fact. I would rather every weapon in the game be a skill shot weapon than yet another nerf request be honored just because someone doesn't understand that mass death from a MD is due to constant pressure by the enemy on me and a nice tight killbox to shoot into. Learn the guns and what they do and you will see that the MD need no fixing.

A Remote explosive at level 2 skills can OHK anyone.

MD does need fixing. it actually needs a buff

mass drivers are fine the way they are they have a slow firing rate flaylocks just got nerfed and you have to be more accuarte with them and there damage output is greatly reduced

bottom line you cant nerf peoples skill if they know how to use a weapon they will get you or put a serious hurt on you and if you dont like dont play fps multiplayer games

why not try using the mass driver and flaylock as they are now they both take skill to use

md having a slow fire rate?


u r completely wrong on that part....

Defending MD is like defending the core flaylock before 1.3.
People use AR because it's the most normal weapon, AR is adaptable to various situations, this make it the most used weapon and the AR can't hit you behind corners.

yes but that is an ar that shoots 1 single relativle weak bullet at a fast rate..


the problem with md is that it needs more ammo and a decrease in rof because it fires to fast for a typical grenade launcher...

totally AR to kill even tanks in a single clip or GTFO.

Defending MD is like defending the core flaylock before 1.3.
People use AR because it's the most normal weapon, AR is adaptable to various situations, this make it the most used weapon and the AR can't hit you behind corners.

yes but that is an ar that shoots 1 single relativle weak bullet at a fast rate..


the problem with md is that it needs more ammo and a decrease in rof because it fires to fast for a typical grenade launcher...

Flaylocks being nerfed the way they are I have seen a lot less people use them (almost none) so that is balanced, the massdrivers still need to be nerfed/removed.

Flaylocks being nerfed the way they are I have seen a lot less people use them (almost none) so that is balanced, the massdrivers still need to be nerfed/removed.

The Assault Massdrivers blast radius is too high in my opinion.

No one uses Flaylocks = balanced.
A few people use MDs = Clearly OP, must be removed.
Almost everyone uses ARs = The only skill weapon, perfectly balanced, not at all OP.

Are you serious? if you are please explain...

I use SMG's and Nova knives, You quoted the wrong person broski.

Still, i think AR need more ''skill' than a 1HKO EXPLOSIVE weapon. LOL
Nub tubz anyone?

I was posting my impression of halii's opinion. It is not my opnion. I was expounding on his.

Edit: It was mostly sarcasm.