Lai Dai AV nades... + AV weapon= one man job.

IKR, that tank that went 56-0 10 minutes ago was sooo fkn gimp. I mean wth, it should take like 90000000000000000 dmg to just break the rep cycle

Lmao full of **** or a bunch of scrubs that have no idea what av is

no this happens quite often, I run av myself when I see vehicles.. some are very situationally aware and very accurate with their guns and have a friend inside. It is not unusual to see tanks going 30+ and no deaths. Maybe don't just hop right into a tank instantly without knowing what your going up against by yourself? I don't know.. some people are doing it right, some are doing it meh, an some are just well... expecting their standard or militia tank to pwn all

I know what you mean, I have brought out a few militia tanks, and only in seconds a forge gunner will shoot it down instantly, and AV nades do have a toll on it, but you have to realize this, 1. it could be just a bad day to use tanks 2. the skill of the driver plays a MASSIVE roll, skills such as knowing when to get out of there and when to move in is essential to tank drivers. You always want an escape route planned, and prioritize your targets, now I know that some pro tanker is going to criticize that but it seems that way to me. Back on topic, my advice is you try sniping, or move in with your allys, clear out some redberries then fall back and recover.

I would also like to state that, the problem with the tanks now is this, since a lot of people have migrated to tanks, us mercs have only 1 option, adapt or die, so obviously we have to choose between anti infantry grenades and AV nades, since A LOT of players have realized that tanks are now more common to find, infantry based players choose AV weapons, now correct me if i'm wrong, im just being observant of this. Now if you want to tank and live I suggest you form a sqaud, that is now very vital to tankers, for example if you know theres a forge gunner, and a sniper is your in squad, send him after that gunner! Or if you have a heavy and those pesky scouts are circling you and throwing some nades, make him GUN THEM DOWN. Simple things like that will increase your survivability. Hope this helps !

Lai Dai AV nades... + AR = one man job.

FTFY

Due the amount of ADV and PRO AV players out their, my dropship renders worthless, i cant really do anything other than let it collect dust in the shed. PRO AV makes my dropship feel like it is free wp and isk for those players with AV, im running all the time from these turds on high spots, like WTF??? Any one with ADV and nades can solo the best dropship out their. I dont even know how you can balance this other than taking out pro and adv av untill their are proto dropships!!

Due the amount of ADV and PRO AV players out their, my tank renders worthless, i cant really do anything other than let it collect dust in the shed. PRO AV makes my tank feel like it is free wp and isk for those players with AV, im running all the time from these turds on high spots, like WTF??? Any one with ADV and nades can solo the best tank out their. I dont even know how you can balance this other than taking out pro and adv av untill their are proto tanks!!

Yea ive taken a break

It only comes out to pop other tanks if i can be bothered

I run n gun like a scrub but get proto stomped anyways like i do if im in my tank

FTFY - that's a new one to me

Everyone and thier mommas got AV these days, when we got our respec & saw lavs & tanks everywhere we didnt want to be helpless against vehicles, so we specced into grenades( very appealing) and/or AV weapons,mostly FGs cus we know FGs have always been badass.
Anyways I ran sagaris's last build and w/ the initial super nerf they had, to turret angles and sh*t controls. i said f*** that. I had trouble as a beast tanker last build trying to survive AV, so i could only imagine how it is now with an average proto AV player per match. Its not that AV is OP, but that theres so much AV, and when AV stacks it means death.
Too many tankers & too many LAVs spelled doom for themselves. If you spam something we'll counter it, even vehicles.

Fixed that for you. Usually used when editing a quote from someone else.

You know what would be really awesome? If people didn't constantly disappear 10 feet in front of me when I go into the first person turret cam.

Funny story- I was in an ambush and someone came in with a gunlogi. After a FG hit and a few MD rounds from yours truly, it was reduced to a smoldering heap of metal and tears. About a minute later, the same person came through with a LLAV, playing GTA New Eden. The damn car lasted the entire round after repeated swarm launcher volleys, AV grenades, and forge gun hits.

Does anyone see something wrong here?

Due the amount of ADV and PRO AV players out their, my tank renders worthless, i cant really do anything other than let it collect dust in the shed. PRO AV makes my tank feel like it is free wp and isk for those players with AV, im running all the time from these turds on high spots, like WTF??? Any one with ADV and nades can solo the best tank out their. I dont even know how you can balance this other than taking out pro and adv av untill their are proto tanks!!

Yes. But that wont be fixed till 1.4 right?

On the plus side, at least we can shoot the driver out and joy ride their car until its a smoldering pile of wreckage.

Yes. But that wont be fixed till 1.4 right?

On the plus side, at least we can shoot the driver out and joy ride their car until its a smoldering pile of wreckage.

The tankers I see usually kick ass maybe you are doing it wrong.

Everyone and thier mommas got AV these days, when we got our respec & saw lavs & tanks everywhere we didnt want to be helpless against vehicles, so we specced into grenades( very appealing) and/or AV weapons,mostly FGs cus we know FGs have always been badass.
Anyways I ran sagaris's last build and w/ the initial super nerf they had, to turret angles and sh*t controls. i said f*** that. I had trouble as a beast tanker last build trying to survive AV, so i could only imagine how it is now with an average proto AV player per match. Its not that AV is OP, but that theres so much AV, and when AV stacks it means death.
Too many tankers & too many LAVs spelled doom for themselves. If you spam something we'll counter it, even vehicles.

Perhaps fitting your tank to be more of a tank as opposed to a glass cannon. I've seen and talk to tankers who been tanking since closed beta and they know how to fit their tanks and how to quickly get out of bad situations. I will admit it doesn't help that you guys don't have the sagaris and surya anymore.

Due the amount of ADV and PRO AV players out their, my tank renders worthless, i cant really do anything other than let it collect dust in the shed. PRO AV makes my tank feel like it is free wp and isk for those players with AV, im running all the time from these turds on high spots, like WTF??? Any one with ADV and nades can solo the best tank out their. I dont even know how you can balance this other than taking out pro and adv av untill their are proto tanks!!

they kick ass going 36 AND 1 and that "1" is like 1mil isk...

Yea... Tanks are worthless. Forget that tanks are mobile large turret platforms, immune to majority of small arms, can have formidable damage resistance, and have large sums of health that can be quickly regenerated; because tanks can be blown up by a small class of weapons specifically made to damage vehicles renders them worthless.

I think I know what your problem is, you just fit your tank badly. Try replacing the noob pilot module with a better one. That should solve all your tanking problems.

I shot 3 LAV drivers out of thier seats in a match the other day with creodron tank and blaster, i'm not even a tanker.. was so much fun.. until a railgun blasted me to bits.. but like I said i'm not a tanker in general lol

one of them was a pretty beefy LLAV, I commenced to blowing that thing up immediately

IMO a tank should be the ultimate tank counter.


HAV battles FTW

Ok so say any given match you pull out your million+ isk tank and go 30 and 1.......how much do you think those 30 deaths cost the people you pooped on total? Maybe not a million maybe more just lookin at it from a different angle. Plus the fact you are takin away from their time/WP/isk cause they are busy chasing you instead of doin what they really want capping/killing/using their non AV suit/etc.

they kick ass going 36 AND 1 and that "1" is like 1mil isk...

Everything is balanced against tanks except AV grenades. Those things are like what flaylocks are to infantry. They should be strong enough to be a hard counter to light vehicles, but deal moderate damage to HAV.

The current AV grenades are as you described what is should be.

The issue is when AV grenades are used in conjunction with nano-hives or supply depots. Combine the fast rate at which AV grenades can be tossed with a constantly regenerating supply of grenades equates to a DPS that out performs all other AV weaponry. Thankfully this tactic has a very limited range; there is such a thing as being too close for vehicles.

LOL i would pay 1 million isk to get 36 kills i dunno:P

the proto turret pretty much cost the 1mil, in the end we pay more for turrets than tanks

Nobody has to chase a tank. That's why we have forge gunners that like to snipe, gives them something to shoot other than infantry. Ambush could use some work, like more supply depots since you're stuck in the fitting you choose until you die on all by 2 maps.

Should it really take 6 people to take out one person? For some reason, that just seems horribly unbalanced to me.

True I USUALLY ignore most unless they come mess with me or my squad OR they are parked in the middle of nowhere on a mountain railing my face so friggin annoying hard to resist goin up there droppin a nano and spamming AV nades. I donate a million here and there to my tank corpmate ( I understand how expensive the role is) I even secretly throw a little isk to ENEMY tankers I blow up after a match ( still in the early stages so my fits are pretty cheap compared to most so ISK right now is not a problem for me)

For something that costs a million isk to put on the field, it shouldn't take one guy lobbing a few grenades. Look at how much SP goes into AV vs HAV. It's a little more than 1/10 depending on what you spec into.

So I specced into my proto suit(shields, armor, and catalyzers included), and proto swarms, proto damage mods, proto hives, proto flux grenades, proto drop links(in case I die chasing a vehicle), proficiency at level 4, swarm launcher operation at level 5, specced into a charybdis pretty far so i can chase tanks and not get killed at the same time, and you telling me I shouldnt be able to take ALL those skill points i directed at tanks and kill them? Ok, then when you spend several million SP on tanks I dont wanna hear that you can take out ground units with no effort, or lavs, I dont care how perfect you are, I specced to destroy ALL VEHICLES AND THATS WHAT IM GOING TO DO, NOT YOU OR ANY ARMY IN HELL WILL STOP ME(unless you're a sniper, god I hate snipers). Besides, where I run caldari logi its the only weapon I can have equipped, so I get killed about 7 times a match losing as much as a crummy tank.

Proto swarms are fine. You solo a tank with those then more power to you. But if the pilot has good situational awareness and uses the terrain to his advantage, don't expect an easy kill. I'm just saying for as little SP people need to invest into the designated hard counter infantry shouldn't have anything to wine about. Especially now. Killing a tank in Uprising is like drowning a 3-legged cat. Not something you should be proud of.

I still have troubles with tanks, somehow most of these tanks have spot on accuracy, thus the droplinks.

lets say i go proto av and die 10 times in 10 games. my proto av setup is about 100k per suit so i loose 1mil isk but i make about 2mil at worst, yes i kill alot of vehicles but at a price. now lets take your proto fit tank who plays 10 games and dies once. he kills about 20-30 people per game and easly clears a few mil for the lot. who is better off here

yes your going to come across heavy av groups at times but your going to come across more poor av teams also. if it comes to heavy av groups then why are you in a tank. every fight is a choice and the choice is not "go tank no matter what".

here is a tip for you. drive your tank in a sniper setup. if you get swarmed, recall your tank and snipe the swarmer or better still carry a tank crew who can do the defence for you. or get on comms and tell everyone where the swarmer is. im sure there are snipers ready and waiting to take them out. im forever getting sniped at

for av grenade's if your too close its your own fault

[quote=DoJax Eclaire]Proto swarms are fine. You solo a tank with those then more power to you. But if the pilot has good situational awareness and uses the terrain to his advantage, don't expect an easy kill. I'm just saying for as little SP people need to invest into the designated hard counter infantry shouldn't have anything to wine about. Especially now. Killing a tank in Uprising is like drowning a 3-legged cat. Not something you should be proud of.

Not every map has good terrain.
Especially the map with six towers on the sides (I don't know the map names, sorry); forge gunners always take stance up there and snipe down.

I don't like covering just one area with the tank, but I normally do just because of the safety restrictions - otherwise I get blown up more often because my ego wants me to roam around.

Everything is balanced against tanks except AV grenades. Those things are like what flaylocks are to infantry. They should be strong enough to be a hard counter to light vehicles, but deal moderate damage to HAV.

you for got forgeguns, if they get to a high spot even a militia one, your tank is as good as gone

Ok so say any given match you pull out your million+ isk tank and go 30 and 1.......how much do you think those 30 deaths cost the people you pooped on total? Maybe not a million maybe more just lookin at it from a different angle. Plus the fact you are takin away from their time/WP/isk cause they are busy chasing you instead of doin what they really want capping/killing/using their non AV suit/etc.

Militia ones are a pain in the neck, I agree with that. But we got to throw infantry a bone somewhere, right?

Anyway they were probably in militia suit cuz any1 with a std swarm/ forgegun could take my 2.6mil isk tank down

Woah hey... Woah... What? How... What? I hope to god you are exaggerating, otherwise your fit is pure garbage.

nope your just fking stupid cuz no matter what fit you have its garbage because your in a vehicle and CCP hates them... yes if the more isk i spend that means 1 more shot i can take from a forgegun... You dont know your own power

Everyone running AV has problems with forgeguns, that doesnt mean they are OP, just use resistance modules, takes 3-4 shot from a forgegun to knock my logi LAV dead, simple solution.

Well, I see a lot of 0s as well. But even if this happens, should I really feel that sorry that you lost a lot of ISK, after completely dominating for almost an entire match? Don't you think that this kind of battlefield presence should have its price?

Yes it would be nice to pilot our vehicles non-stop while grinding ISK, but this seems to be more of an issue with offering valuable outlets for a dedicated tanker, than with the power balance of tanks. You can't tell me that a tank was "useless" when it went 36 to 1. It's not all about the ISK (I hope).

i have gone 36 and 1 but not on my tanks, but running infantry with a suit the cost less then 35k ISK. why should i pay 600k just to go 20/1 in a match when i could just run infantry and do the same very thing for 1/20th of the price. its not skill that is the problem its cost and HAVs and DS are generally are not worth their cost.

The only reason tanks are useless is that:

It is too easy to sit a rail tank on a hill on the redline to pop other tanks (This is why I do that. I want to be that guy in the rail tank on the redline rather than the blaster tank that has to run and hide).

The maps aren't big enough to with enough barriers to allow for some fun tank battles.


CCP needs to spin tanks off into its own TANK 514 game.

Due the amount of ADV and PRO AV players out their, my tank renders worthless, i cant really do anything other than let it collect dust in the shed. PRO AV makes my tank feel like it is free wp and isk for those players with AV, im running all the time from these turds on high spots, like WTF??? Any one with ADV and nades can solo the best tank out their. I dont even know how you can balance this other than taking out pro and adv av untill their are proto tanks!!

Due the amount of ADV and PRO AV players out their, my tank renders worthless, i cant really do anything other than let it collect dust in the shed. PRO AV makes my tank feel like it is free wp and isk for those players with AV, im running all the time from these turds on high spots, like WTF??? Any one with ADV and nades can solo the best tank out their. I dont even know how you can balance this other than taking out pro and adv av untill their are proto tanks!!

LOL. You're bad and should feel bad. Play a new game.

Everyone running AV has problems with forgeguns, that doesnt mean they are OP, just use resistance modules, takes 3-4 shot from a forgegun to knock my logi LAV dead, simple solution.