For something that costs a million isk to put on the field, it shouldn't take one guy lobbing a few grenades. Look at how much SP goes into AV vs HAV. It's a little more than 1/10 depending on what you spec into.

So I specced into my proto suit(shields, armor, and catalyzers included), and proto swarms, proto damage mods, proto hives, proto flux grenades, proto drop links(in case I die chasing a vehicle), proficiency at level 4, swarm launcher operation at level 5, specced into a charybdis pretty far so i can chase tanks and not get killed at the same time, and you telling me I shouldnt be able to take ALL those skill points i directed at tanks and kill them? Ok, then when you spend several million SP on tanks I dont wanna hear that you can take out ground units with no effort, or lavs, I dont care how perfect you are, I specced to destroy ALL VEHICLES AND THATS WHAT IM GOING TO DO, NOT YOU OR ANY ARMY IN HELL WILL STOP ME(unless you're a sniper, god I hate snipers). Besides, where I run caldari logi its the only weapon I can have equipped, so I get killed about 7 times a match losing as much as a crummy tank.

Proto swarms are fine. You solo a tank with those then more power to you. But if the pilot has good situational awareness and uses the terrain to his advantage, don't expect an easy kill. I'm just saying for as little SP people need to invest into the designated hard counter infantry shouldn't have anything to wine about. Especially now. Killing a tank in Uprising is like drowning a 3-legged cat. Not something you should be proud of.

I still have troubles with tanks, somehow most of these tanks have spot on accuracy, thus the droplinks.

lets say i go proto av and die 10 times in 10 games. my proto av setup is about 100k per suit so i loose 1mil isk but i make about 2mil at worst, yes i kill alot of vehicles but at a price. now lets take your proto fit tank who plays 10 games and dies once. he kills about 20-30 people per game and easly clears a few mil for the lot. who is better off here

yes your going to come across heavy av groups at times but your going to come across more poor av teams also. if it comes to heavy av groups then why are you in a tank. every fight is a choice and the choice is not "go tank no matter what".

here is a tip for you. drive your tank in a sniper setup. if you get swarmed, recall your tank and snipe the swarmer or better still carry a tank crew who can do the defence for you. or get on comms and tell everyone where the swarmer is. im sure there are snipers ready and waiting to take them out. im forever getting sniped at

for av grenade's if your too close its your own fault

[quote=DoJax Eclaire]Proto swarms are fine. You solo a tank with those then more power to you. But if the pilot has good situational awareness and uses the terrain to his advantage, don't expect an easy kill. I'm just saying for as little SP people need to invest into the designated hard counter infantry shouldn't have anything to wine about. Especially now. Killing a tank in Uprising is like drowning a 3-legged cat. Not something you should be proud of.

Not every map has good terrain.
Especially the map with six towers on the sides (I don't know the map names, sorry); forge gunners always take stance up there and snipe down.

I don't like covering just one area with the tank, but I normally do just because of the safety restrictions - otherwise I get blown up more often because my ego wants me to roam around.

Everything is balanced against tanks except AV grenades. Those things are like what flaylocks are to infantry. They should be strong enough to be a hard counter to light vehicles, but deal moderate damage to HAV.

you for got forgeguns, if they get to a high spot even a militia one, your tank is as good as gone

Ok so say any given match you pull out your million+ isk tank and go 30 and 1.......how much do you think those 30 deaths cost the people you pooped on total? Maybe not a million maybe more just lookin at it from a different angle. Plus the fact you are takin away from their time/WP/isk cause they are busy chasing you instead of doin what they really want capping/killing/using their non AV suit/etc.

Militia ones are a pain in the neck, I agree with that. But we got to throw infantry a bone somewhere, right?

Anyway they were probably in militia suit cuz any1 with a std swarm/ forgegun could take my 2.6mil isk tank down

Woah hey... Woah... What? How... What? I hope to god you are exaggerating, otherwise your fit is pure garbage.

nope your just fking stupid cuz no matter what fit you have its garbage because your in a vehicle and CCP hates them... yes if the more isk i spend that means 1 more shot i can take from a forgegun... You dont know your own power

Everyone running AV has problems with forgeguns, that doesnt mean they are OP, just use resistance modules, takes 3-4 shot from a forgegun to knock my logi LAV dead, simple solution.

Well, I see a lot of 0s as well. But even if this happens, should I really feel that sorry that you lost a lot of ISK, after completely dominating for almost an entire match? Don't you think that this kind of battlefield presence should have its price?

Yes it would be nice to pilot our vehicles non-stop while grinding ISK, but this seems to be more of an issue with offering valuable outlets for a dedicated tanker, than with the power balance of tanks. You can't tell me that a tank was "useless" when it went 36 to 1. It's not all about the ISK (I hope).

i have gone 36 and 1 but not on my tanks, but running infantry with a suit the cost less then 35k ISK. why should i pay 600k just to go 20/1 in a match when i could just run infantry and do the same very thing for 1/20th of the price. its not skill that is the problem its cost and HAVs and DS are generally are not worth their cost.

The only reason tanks are useless is that:

It is too easy to sit a rail tank on a hill on the redline to pop other tanks (This is why I do that. I want to be that guy in the rail tank on the redline rather than the blaster tank that has to run and hide).

The maps aren't big enough to with enough barriers to allow for some fun tank battles.


CCP needs to spin tanks off into its own TANK 514 game.

Due the amount of ADV and PRO AV players out their, my tank renders worthless, i cant really do anything other than let it collect dust in the shed. PRO AV makes my tank feel like it is free wp and isk for those players with AV, im running all the time from these turds on high spots, like WTF??? Any one with ADV and nades can solo the best tank out their. I dont even know how you can balance this other than taking out pro and adv av untill their are proto tanks!!

Due the amount of ADV and PRO AV players out their, my tank renders worthless, i cant really do anything other than let it collect dust in the shed. PRO AV makes my tank feel like it is free wp and isk for those players with AV, im running all the time from these turds on high spots, like WTF??? Any one with ADV and nades can solo the best tank out their. I dont even know how you can balance this other than taking out pro and adv av untill their are proto tanks!!

LOL. You're bad and should feel bad. Play a new game.

Everyone running AV has problems with forgeguns, that doesnt mean they are OP, just use resistance modules, takes 3-4 shot from a forgegun to knock my logi LAV dead, simple solution.