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NIGGSWORM
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
23
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:21:00 -
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Due the amount of ADV and PRO AV players out their, my tank renders worthless, i cant really do anything other than let it collect dust in the shed. PRO AV makes my tank feel like it is free wp and isk for those players with AV, im running all the time from these turds on high spots, like WTF??? Any one with ADV and nades can solo the best tank out their. I dont even know how you can balance this other than taking out pro and adv av untill their are proto tanks!! |
Xender17
Intrepidus XI EoN.
388
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:27:00 -
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Lai Dai AV nades... + AV weapon= one man job. |
NIGGSWORM
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
23
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:29:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Lai Dai AV nades... + AV weapon= one man job.
This is why i hate them OP BLEEPS... |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1301
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:31:00 -
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Yeah if you don't have a minimum of 8 million sp into tanks its not even worth bothering. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
698
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:31:00 -
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IKR, that tank that went 56-0 10 minutes ago was sooo fkn gimp. I mean wth, it should take like 90000000000000000 dmg to just break the rep cycle |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
29
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:31:00 -
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The tankers I see usually kick ass maybe you are doing it wrong. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
748
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:32:00 -
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Yea ive taken a break
It only comes out to pop other tanks if i can be bothered
I run n gun like a scrub but get proto stomped anyways like i do if im in my tank |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
354
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:32:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:IKR, that tank that went 56-0 10 minutes ago was sooo fkn gimp. I mean wth, it should take like 90000000000000000 dmg to just break the rep cycle Lmao full of **** or a bunch of scrubs that have no idea what av is |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
698
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:36:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:IKR, that tank that went 56-0 10 minutes ago was sooo fkn gimp. I mean wth, it should take like 90000000000000000 dmg to just break the rep cycle Lmao full of **** or a bunch of scrubs that have no idea what av is
no this happens quite often, I run av myself when I see vehicles.. some are very situationally aware and very accurate with their guns and have a friend inside. It is not unusual to see tanks going 30+ and no deaths. Maybe don't just hop right into a tank instantly without knowing what your going up against by yourself? I don't know.. some people are doing it right, some are doing it meh, an some are just well... expecting their standard or militia tank to pwn all
and when I do manage to kill a good tank by myself.. I died about a good 10 times doing so.. hell one game I died 17 times and never killed the damn tank.. I had forge gun and adv av nades |
zylon hender
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:37:00 -
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I know what you mean, I have brought out a few militia tanks, and only in seconds a forge gunner will shoot it down instantly, and AV nades do have a toll on it, but you have to realize this, 1. it could be just a bad day to use tanks 2. the skill of the driver plays a MASSIVE roll, skills such as knowing when to get out of there and when to move in is essential to tank drivers. You always want an escape route planned, and prioritize your targets, now I know that some pro tanker is going to criticize that but it seems that way to me. Back on topic, my advice is you try sniping, or move in with your allys, clear out some redberries then fall back and recover.
I would also like to state that, the problem with the tanks now is this, since a lot of people have migrated to tanks, us mercs have only 1 option, adapt or die, so obviously we have to choose between anti infantry grenades and AV nades, since A LOT of players have realized that tanks are now more common to find, infantry based players choose AV weapons, now correct me if i'm wrong, im just being observant of this. Now if you want to tank and live I suggest you form a sqaud, that is now very vital to tankers, for example if you know theres a forge gunner, and a sniper is your in squad, send him after that gunner! Or if you have a heavy and those pesky scouts are circling you and throwing some nades, make him GUN THEM DOWN. Simple things like that will increase your survivability. Hope this helps ! |
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ugg reset
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
339
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:38:00 -
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lord forbid we get proto vehicles. you think logi lavs are hard now. these are just the ADV tier. |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
354
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:39:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:IKR, that tank that went 56-0 10 minutes ago was sooo fkn gimp. I mean wth, it should take like 90000000000000000 dmg to just break the rep cycle Lmao full of **** or a bunch of scrubs that have no idea what av is no this happens quite often, I run av myself when I see vehicles.. some are very situationally aware and very accurate with their guns and have a friend inside. It is not unusual to see tanks going 30+ and no deaths. Maybe don't just hop right into a tank instantly without knowing what your going up against by yourself? I don't know.. some people are doing it right, some are doing it meh, an some are just well... expecting their standard or militia tank to pwn all I havnt skilled into tanks since before chromosome I'm not going to waste that much sp for one dude with proto make you hide all game or destroy you |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
698
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:41:00 -
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zylon hender wrote:I know what you mean, I have brought out a few militia tanks, and only in seconds a forge gunner will shoot it down instantly, and AV nades do have a toll on it, but you have to realize this, 1. it could be just a bad day to use tanks 2. the skill of the driver plays a MASSIVE roll, skills such as knowing when to get out of there and when to move in is essential to tank drivers. You always want an escape route planned, and prioritize your targets, now I know that some pro tanker is going to criticize that but it seems that way to me. Back on topic, my advice is you try sniping, or move in with your allys, clear out some redberries then fall back and recover. I would also like to state that, the problem with the tanks now is this, since a lot of people have migrated to tanks, us mercs have only 1 option, adapt or die, so obviously we have to choose between anti infantry grenades and AV nades, since A LOT of players have realized that tanks are now more common to find, infantry based players choose AV weapons, now correct me if i'm wrong, im just being observant of this. Now if you want to tank and live I suggest you form a sqaud, that is now very vital to tankers, for example if you know theres a forge gunner, and a sniper is your in squad, send him after that gunner! Or if you have a heavy and those pesky scouts are circling you and throwing some nades, make him GUN THEM DOWN. Simple things like that will increase your survivability. Hope this helps !
I would say the overabundant use of LAV bumper bashing has brought out the frequent use of AV nade among a lot of mercs. I'm sure getting rolled over on by tanks also had a factor. overall I agree with everything you just said |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1955
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:45:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Lai Dai AV nades... + AR = one man job. FTFY |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
698
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:49:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Xender17 wrote:Lai Dai AV nades... + AR = one man job. FTFY
FTFY - that's a new one to me |
stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood
425
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:52:00 -
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Perhaps fitting your tank to be more of a tank as opposed to a glass cannon. I've seen and talk to tankers who been tanking since closed beta and they know how to fit their tanks and how to quickly get out of bad situations. I will admit it doesn't help that you guys don't have the sagaris and surya anymore. |
Kain Reaver83
DUST University Ivy League
68
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:53:00 -
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NIGGSWORM wrote:Due the amount of ADV and PRO AV players out their, my dropship renders worthless, i cant really do anything other than let it collect dust in the shed. PRO AV makes my dropship feel like it is free wp and isk for those players with AV, im running all the time from these turds on high spots, like WTF??? Any one with ADV and nades can solo the best dropship out their. I dont even know how you can balance this other than taking out pro and adv av untill their are proto dropships!!
Fixed your post for you because it wasn't a real complaint. |
Son Down
SamsClub
73
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Posted - 2013.07.27 17:05:00 -
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NIGGSWORM wrote:Due the amount of ADV and PRO AV players out their, my tank renders worthless, i cant really do anything other than let it collect dust in the shed. PRO AV makes my tank feel like it is free wp and isk for those players with AV, im running all the time from these turds on high spots, like WTF??? Any one with ADV and nades can solo the best tank out their. I dont even know how you can balance this other than taking out pro and adv av untill their are proto tanks!!
Thats odd, because last night I played in about 12 consecutive matches, where at all times, there was a Madruger driving around without as much of a hint of AV threat. Posts like yours come from players like that Madruger. You roll around at your leisure for 10 straight matches....then poof, you actually run into the 2% of the player base that has decent AV. CCP tracks useage, and kill stats for everything. No amount of posting is going to get your vehicles buffed or nerfed. Especially from high school dropouts like yourself.
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Washlee
Pure Innocence. EoN.
236
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Posted - 2013.07.27 17:06:00 -
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Tanks are bad when its a one man job to take them out. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2013.07.27 17:11:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Yea ive taken a break
It only comes out to pop other tanks if i can be bothered
I run n gun like a scrub but get proto stomped anyways like i do if im in my tank Get online, I'm bored and wanna lol at the thread I made. |
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Pure Innocence. EoN.
130
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Posted - 2013.07.27 17:16:00 -
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Everyone and thier mommas got AV these days, when we got our respec & saw lavs & tanks everywhere we didnt want to be helpless against vehicles, so we specced into grenades( very appealing) and/or AV weapons,mostly FGs cus we know FGs have always been badass. Anyways I ran sagaris's last build and w/ the initial super nerf they had, to turret angles and sh*t controls. i said f*** that. I had trouble as a beast tanker last build trying to survive AV, so i could only imagine how it is now with an average proto AV player per match. Its not that AV is OP, but that theres so much AV, and when AV stacks it means death. Too many tankers & too many LAVs spelled doom for themselves. If you spam something we'll counter it, even vehicles. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1956
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Posted - 2013.07.27 17:17:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Xender17 wrote:Lai Dai AV nades... + AR = one man job. FTFY FTFY - that's a new one to me Fixed that for you. Usually used when editing a quote from someone else. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
703
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Posted - 2013.07.27 17:21:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Everyone and thier mommas got AV these days, when we got our respec & saw lavs & tanks everywhere we didnt want to be helpless against vehicles, so we specced into grenades( very appealing) and/or AV weapons,mostly FGs cus we know FGs have always been badass. Anyways I ran sagaris's last build and w/ the initial super nerf they had, to turret angles and sh*t controls. i said f*** that. I had trouble as a beast tanker last build trying to survive AV, so i could only imagine how it is now with an average proto AV player per match. Its not that AV is OP, but that theres so much AV, and when AV stacks it means death. Too many tankers & too many LAVs spelled doom for themselves. If you spam something we'll counter it, even vehicles.
This ^^^^ |
Kinky Burrito
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
105
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Posted - 2013.07.27 17:22:00 -
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You know what would be really awesome? If people didn't constantly disappear 10 feet in front of me when I go into the first person turret cam. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
703
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Posted - 2013.07.27 17:22:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Xender17 wrote:Lai Dai AV nades... + AR = one man job. FTFY FTFY - that's a new one to me Fixed that for you. Usually used when editing a quote from someone else.
hah, i see. I didn't catch the change you made in quote, now it makes a lot more sense. thanks |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
956
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Posted - 2013.07.27 17:23:00 -
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HAVs are not useless, you just can't use them anymore as a tank... Yes, that is kinda sad now... But they are not useless. They are far from useless.
HAVs still have the ability to travel faster then infantry, have better zoom then the majority of infantry weapons, and carry heavy weaponry. Just think of them as mobile artillery and you will do fine. Then again, I use Gunnies not Maddies so I can take a hell of a larger beating against AV with my fit, but still... I make a solid profit running HAVs.
First off a man with AV grenades should never solo you, if that happens then it means you were static somewhere in the map, and that is a sin considering you can go well over 70KPH. Always find a position, fire a few shots, and then MOVE even if the spot is just so amazing... You still gotta move. Also I think 80% of HAV pilots are deaf if they can't hear a nanohive being deployed behind them, the things clink when they hit the ground and start humming a few seconds later, so listen for that clink just like you listen for orbitals.
Proto forges are the only thing my Gunnie has genuine issues with (besides other HAVs), when an LLAV comes outa no where like a bat outa hell and deposits a proto forgegunner, but honestly this is very rare.
While HAVs are underpowered, severely underpowered for roles like being a tank, they are still extremely deadly and very useful if you stop trying to fit them in their old role and start objectively analyzing them for what they are still good for.
Disregard the above if you don't use missiles or rails... I can't give any advice to anyone who uses a blaster as those force you within AV nade chucking range half the time.
EDIT: If there are a lot of vehicles on the map besides you, you should also stay the hell away from them. Three HAVs together attract far too much attention and are not worth it unless they are an actual squad which is coordinating. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
703
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Posted - 2013.07.27 17:25:00 -
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Kinky Burrito wrote:You know what would be really awesome? If people didn't constantly disappear 10 feet in front of me when I go into the first person turret cam.
Yeh that can be annoying, not really sure what they can do about it , but if they found a way to make that not happen.. nobody would complain I would think ( complain about tankers being able to see right in front of them while in turret sight view, there will always be complaints hehe ) |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3269
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Posted - 2013.07.27 17:56:00 -
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Funny story- I was in an ambush and someone came in with a gunlogi. After a FG hit and a few MD rounds from yours truly, it was reduced to a smoldering heap of metal and tears. About a minute later, the same person came through with a LLAV, playing GTA New Eden. The damn car lasted the entire round after repeated swarm launcher volleys, AV grenades, and forge gun hits.
Does anyone see something wrong here? |
medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
87
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:06:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Funny story- I was in an ambush and someone came in with a gunlogi. After a FG hit and a few MD rounds from yours truly, it was reduced to a smoldering heap of metal and tears. About a minute later, the same person came through with a LLAV, playing GTA New Eden. The damn car lasted the entire round after repeated swarm launcher volleys, AV grenades, and forge gun hits.
Does anyone see something wrong here?
Yes. But that wont be fixed till 1.4 right?
On the plus side, at least we can shoot the driver out and joy ride their car until its a smoldering pile of wreckage. |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
106
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:10:00 -
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NIGGSWORM wrote:Due the amount of ADV and PRO AV players out their, my tank renders worthless, i cant really do anything other than let it collect dust in the shed. PRO AV makes my tank feel like it is free wp and isk for those players with AV, im running all the time from these turds on high spots, like WTF??? Any one with ADV and nades can solo the best tank out their. I dont even know how you can balance this other than taking out pro and adv av untill their are proto tanks!!
That's why any decent tanker can go many, many matches without losing a tank, right?
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