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CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:11:00 -
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Is so they can reskill into the flavor of the month weapon/suit.
The TAR was the most used weapon and was mathematically proven to be on par with PRO blasters.
- It rightfully got nerfed, much to the chagrin of the forum.
The Caldari Logistic suit was proven to be by far the best suit in the game.
- It rightfully is getting nerfed, because there's little reason to use anything else.
Many are using the flaylock as the primary weapon, with another one as a secondary, or a mass driver as a secondary.
- It too, is rightfully getting nerfed, due to how overused it too is.
This is the only reason you all want a respec, so you can quickly skill into the next popular weapon/suit that 95% of the playerbase will start using right away. You don't deserve a respec, nor have you earned one. You act like selfish children. |
Paladin Sas
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
82
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:12:00 -
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I support this message, as brash as it may be. stop specing into the FOTM and find something you truely enjoy. it doesnt matter how crap it may be, if you love it, you will find a way to make it work for you. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1288
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:13:00 -
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Do you feel better now that you've created the 12684739th thread on "why i'm mad some people we're killing me in FOTM suits and now they should pay for it"? |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:16:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Do you feel better now that you've created the 12684739th thread on "why i'm mad some people we're killing me in FOTM suits and now they should pay for it"? I'm skilled into tanks. Your Duvolle can't hurt me.
You're probably just pissed that you can't reassign those skill points into the next flavor of the month. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1288
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:17:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Do you feel better now that you've created the 12684739th thread on "why i'm mad some people we're killing me in FOTM suits and now they should pay for it"? I'm skilled into tanks. Your Duvolle can't hurt me. You're probably just pissed that you can't reassign those skill points into the next flavor of the month.
What's the next FOTM? I'm curious.. |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
347
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:18:00 -
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Well I agree we had a respec and everyone knew the calogi was getting nerfed if you didn't skill out deal with it you were given your chance to skill out but chose not to |
Paladin Sas
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
84
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:19:00 -
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FOTM = fit of the month
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5507
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:20:00 -
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1.4 / 1.5 may be bringing in some massive changes, so if ever there was going to be a time for a respec, it could very well be then. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1288
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:22:00 -
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I think its a bit short sighted to expect we're never gonna have another one.
A respec for 1.3? I don't think anyone was/is expecting that.
But I can gaurantee that by 1.7 the dropsuits will be completely different from what we have now... a respec will be necessary at some point... as you just can't make informed and reasonable decisions atm with all of the changes going on right now. |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
94
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:24:00 -
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Paladin Sas wrote:FOTM = fit of the month
since FOTM was "flavour of the month" in any game I've played in the past 12 years thats used the acronym...ill stick with Flavour. |
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Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
347
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:33:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:I think its a bit short sighted to expect we're never gonna have another one.
A respec for 1.3? I don't think anyone was/is expecting that.
But I can gaurantee that by 1.7 the dropsuits will be completely different from what we have now... a respec will be necessary at some point... as you just can't make informed and reasonable decisions atm with all of the changes going on right now. I agree with this I'm just saying no respec till all suits are done we just had a respec and people went to the OP calogi knowing it would be nerfed |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:35:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:1.4 / 1.5 may be bringing in some massive changes, so if ever there was going to be a time for a respec, it could very well be then. No
If they're going to make massive changes to 20% of the skills, then yeah, I'd agree with an optional respec.
But why get one just to get the next OP suit/weapon? |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1288
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:37:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:I think its a bit short sighted to expect we're never gonna have another one.
A respec for 1.3? I don't think anyone was/is expecting that.
But I can gaurantee that by 1.7 the dropsuits will be completely different from what we have now... a respec will be necessary at some point... as you just can't make informed and reasonable decisions atm with all of the changes going on right now. I agree with this I'm just saying no respec till all suits are done we just had a respec and people went to the OP calogi knowing it would be nerfed
I just wish they would say.
Okay so 1.4 will have this, 1.5 will have this, 1.6 should have this and this, and 1.7 will finish it all out with this and is. 1.8 will be balance iteration 1, 1.9 iteration 2... And 1.10... Respec.
It's a long ways away but now people know they aren't locked in for life... Can throw away sp testing new suits for CCP and know they'll get it all back eventually. |
broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
47
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:41:00 -
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I think respecs should never be allowed. You should tie in to a role or an aspect of a weapon you enjoy - not because it happens to work better than other equipment at the time.
I chose Minmatar because the fluff was interesting and the suits looked totally unique. I like the emphasis on low armour, higher speed and good versatility and chose to be a logi/pilot because I like the role. They can change the game dynamics but the fundamentals never change, so why should I ever ask for a respec?
Even if they introduce race specific equipment/vehicles I wouldn't respec. So my Gallente allies have given me access to their motor pool, big whoop. |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
548
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:44:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Well I agree we had a respec and everyone knew the calogi was getting nerfed if you didn't skill out deal with it you were given your chance to skill out but chose not to How do you "skill out" of something? lol ... you mean skill into something else? |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
216
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:52:00 -
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I love when EVE nerds shout mathematics like the numbers are the be all end all of the weapons level of power
DPS is a garbage statistic right up there with KDR. Especially when you factor in that AIMING IS NOT 100%. There are multiple factors that could result in shots missing, sorry you could survive a TAC user in the open if you knew what you were doing but a PRO blaster turret will shred you especially the scatter blasters.
TTK is a better utility of a weapons effectiveness. Moreover the comparison between the PRO Blasters and the TAR was one of the most laughable comparison id seen in gaming. Honestly the spreadsheet crowd are the biggest distraction when it comes to weapon balancing, its almost as bad as that guy who runs around using the number of AR kills he see in the killfeed as the significant data point that ARs are OP based on their utility. |
BrownEye1129
SVER True Blood
23
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:02:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Do you feel better now that you've created the 12684739th thread on "why i'm mad some people we're killing me in FOTM suits and now they should pay for it"? I'm skilled into tanks. Your Duvolle can't hurt me. You're probably just pissed that you can't reassign those skill points into the next flavor of the month.
Hey now. I killed a tank with my AR today, sure it was done for but I did put a clip into it to finish it off. |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
348
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:02:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Well I agree we had a respec and everyone knew the calogi was getting nerfed if you didn't skill out deal with it you were given your chance to skill out but chose not to How do you "skill out" of something? lol ... you mean skill into something else? If you get a respec you get all of the sp back either way people know what I'm saying |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers EoN.
622
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:03:00 -
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lol I love bad players who think it's all the weapon or the suit that kills them, and not that they just suck at aiming.
The reason we want respecs is because playing one class over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again for months on end, and an incefdibly long grind to spec into something new makes the game boring. Respec so I can try new things. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:05:00 -
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MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote:I love when EVE nerds shout mathematics like the numbers are the be all end all of the weapons level of power
DPS is a garbage statistic right up there with KDR. Especially when you factor in that AIMING IS NOT 100%. There are multiple factors that could result in shots missing, sorry you could survive a TAC user in the open if you knew what you were doing but a PRO blaster turret will shred you especially the scatter blasters.
TTK is a better utility of a weapons effectiveness. Moreover the comparison between the PRO Blasters and the TAR was one of the most laughable comparison id seen in gaming. Honestly the spreadsheet crowd are the biggest distraction when it comes to weapon balancing, its almost as bad as that guy who runs around using the number of AR kills he see in the killfeed as the significant data point that ARs are OP based on their utility. I suppose you believe you know better than everyone else about what would be considered overpowered, and believe your opinion should count for more than any other person's. Attitudes like that are bad, and don't get people to respect you.
Everybody using spreadsheets and arithmetic are the best we have right now, because we don't have access to CCP's coding or the formulas they use. If you think you could do better, then by all means, prove it. |
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:07:00 -
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what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released? |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:08:00 -
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Whose fault is it things get boring? Keep some SP aside to try new things.
You're supposed to specialize in something. How about you try grinding out a new character to specialize in something else, like a vehicle operator? |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1290
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:09:00 -
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The biggest problem with this game is that proto gear is only gear and it takes forever to grind for proto gear. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:09:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released? Whose fault is it they don't have SP set aside for those suits? I'm keeping my SP so I can go straight for the pilot suit when they're made available, if they're made available, and if they're not nerfed straight away because as usual, assault scrubs complained that they were overpowered when we don't have a clue if they'll even have a weapon slot, nevermind if we could attach modules to them that improve either the suit or the vehicle further. |
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:15:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released? Whose fault is it they don't have SP set aside for those suits? I'm keeping my SP so I can go straight for the pilot suit when they're made available, if they're made available, and if they're not nerfed straight away because as usual, assault scrubs complained that they were overpowered when we don't have a clue if they'll even have a weapon slot, nevermind if we could attach modules to them that improve either the suit or the vehicle further. so people should cripple their playstyle and dust experience to wait for their racial suits
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Justin Tymes
Raymond James Corp
253
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:16:00 -
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I don't need a respec, but I would like to have it, since the Gallente Logisuit has been made inferior to the rest of the Logisuits with the introduction of proto Amarr having a 4th low slot. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1290
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:17:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released? Whose fault is it they don't have SP set aside for those suits? I'm keeping my SP so I can go straight for the pilot suit when they're made available, if they're made available, and if they're not nerfed straight away because as usual, assault scrubs complained that they were overpowered when we don't have a clue if they'll even have a weapon slot, nevermind if we could attach modules to them that improve either the suit or the vehicle further.
So essentially what you're saying is that people should stop playing the game and wait for 6-8 months until all of the dropsuits are out and they can make an informed decision on which progression path they want to go.
Sounds like a very healthy mindset to force on your playerbase!
CCP: "Hey player base, don't play for the next 6 months while we get our art and balance assets in order!" Playerbase: "kthxbai! Time for BF4" |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
100
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:20:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released?
They said no more respecs. period. But they stated that when situations like racial dropsuits for heavys come into play, they will consider refunding those respective dropsuit skills.
And since they already did that once after changing dropsuit command to lvl 3 in order to spec into Role specific suits, I'm very optimistic on them doing it again when the new heavy and scouts suit are released.
Edit - but no, you won't get your entire SP reset, because only your dropsuits were changed. asking for a complete respec just seems greedy. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1291
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:26:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:They said no more respecs. period.
Please stop with this misinformation. They've never set no more SP refunds. They said no more SP resets.. as in resetting everyone to 500k lifetime SP. |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
100
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:29:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Duran Lex wrote:They said no more respecs. period. Please stop with this misinformation. They've never set no more SP refunds. They said no more SP resets.. as in resetting everyone to 500k lifetime SP.
Actually they did. I might try and dig it up when i have the time. |
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Ninjanomyx
One Who Bears Fangs At GOD
117
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:29:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:Is so they can reskill into the flavor of the month weapon/suit.
The TAR was the most used weapon and was mathematically proven to be on par with PRO blasters.
- It rightfully got nerfed, much to the chagrin of the forum.
The Caldari Logistic suit was proven to be by far the best suit in the game.
- It rightfully is getting nerfed, because there's little reason to use anything else.
Many are using the flaylock as the primary weapon, with another one as a secondary, or a mass driver as a secondary.
- It too, is rightfully getting nerfed, due to how overused it too is.
This is the only reason you all want a respec, so you can quickly skill into the next popular weapon/suit that 95% of the playerbase will start using right away. You don't deserve a respec, nor have you earned one. You act like selfish children.
Incorrect!!!!! I am a Pilot & the Pilot Dropsuit is what I need. Also the Amaar Tank (I assume Rail Enforcer) is my Intended Path. We have NEITHER & I am stuck in a Gallente HAV w/ a Minnie Suit in the meantime. No Cal Log, no TAC AR, no Gheylock.....& all the Fatties are lookin' @ you Cross-Eyed. Try again :P |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5510
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:30:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Duran Lex wrote:They said no more respecs. period. Please stop with this misinformation. They've never set no more SP refunds. They said no more SP resets.. as in resetting everyone to 500k lifetime SP. Actually they did. I might try and dig it up when i have the time. They've said no more resets. Respecs are most definitely still on the table.
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Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
128
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:33:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Duran Lex wrote:They said no more respecs. period. Please stop with this misinformation. They've never set no more SP refunds. They said no more SP resets.. as in resetting everyone to 500k lifetime SP. Can people source these statements please? |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers League of Infamy
1548
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:35:00 -
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The reason people want reset is they might LOVE playing minmatar suits who want to be a heavy are are being forced into playing Ammar or NOT PLAYING
How do you not understand this?
What about scouts? tank drivers? Why should I have to be froced to put unrefundable points in the caldari LAV when the 1st screenshot of the minmatar LAV was posted over a year ago? It's stupid. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers League of Infamy
1548
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:36:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Duran Lex wrote:They said no more respecs. period. Please stop with this misinformation. They've never set no more SP refunds. They said no more SP resets.. as in resetting everyone to 500k lifetime SP. Can people source these statements please?
They have only said they won't rule it out but no more resets.
sp refunds for say, 3 new racial heavy suits coming out will most likely still happen. Even eve has refunded sp, rarely but it happens |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1291
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:37:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Duran Lex wrote:They said no more respecs. period. Please stop with this misinformation. They've never set no more SP refunds. They said no more SP resets.. as in resetting everyone to 500k lifetime SP. Actually they did. I might try and dig it up when i have the time.
Please do... i'm 99% sure they've never said no more skill respecs.
This is the most recent information I can find: dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details
Dev Blog wrote:Players will be given a limited period in which to choose the optional full character reset, and the dates for choosing this option will be announced at a later time. This will be the last reset of the Mercenary Pack and Aurum packs, and no further resets will be available. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5511
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:39:00 -
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Buttermintchipcup said something about no respecs, but she's pretty new, and I know the CPM have mentioned in the past that CCP has only said no more resets.
With the whole game possibly being shuffled around in 1.4 / 1.5 we will likely see another respec come then, if the changes are in fact as drastic as has been hinted at so far. Pretty hard to plan for the future when you know it's not going to have anything to do with the present
:/ |
Phantom Vaxer
The Generals EoN.
55
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:39:00 -
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No, that is not the only reason why people want respecs or at least specific tree respecs. I don't want a respec any time soon nor may I need one. But the way Dust is being developed its basically a game that was taken out of Beta WAY TOO EARLY. I mean heavies only have 1 race of suits to spec in at the moment, Scouts are limited to 2 races, many skill bonuses are just placeholders for the actual skills they plan to use, other weapons in some categories are placeholders for upcoming weapons.
I don't ask for a respec to because of balance changes I see that they are needed cause of the fact CCP is lacking in content for a supposedly "launched" game when many many things are missing or just placeholders. So I see partial respecs in skill trees where the particular gear and skills were overhauled and when everyone can at least spec into 1 of the 4 races in each category; Light, Medium, Heavy. Think respecs like these would actually encourage people to play into the new roles when they come out instead of focusing on the currently accessible role till its finished.
So no I'm not a child. Its the fact that CCP has too many things missing in this hollow shooter and still has many fixes. This thing should have stayed in Beta till they at least got all the basic race suits in the game. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:39:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released? Whose fault is it they don't have SP set aside for those suits? I'm keeping my SP so I can go straight for the pilot suit when they're made available, if they're made available, and if they're not nerfed straight away because as usual, assault scrubs complained that they were overpowered when we don't have a clue if they'll even have a weapon slot, nevermind if we could attach modules to them that improve either the suit or the vehicle further. so people should cripple their playstyle and dust experience to wait for their racial suits Crippling what? What are you talking about? If they're waiting for something, isn't it logical to set aside SP to get it, instead of wanting a respec to drop the thing that just got nerfed? Are you from this planet? |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1377
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:40:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released? Whose fault is it they don't have SP set aside for those suits? I'm keeping my SP so I can go straight for the pilot suit when they're made available, if they're made available, and if they're not nerfed straight away because as usual, assault scrubs complained that they were overpowered when we don't have a clue if they'll even have a weapon slot, nevermind if we could attach modules to them that improve either the suit or the vehicle further. So essentially what you're saying is that people should stop playing the game and wait for 6-8 months until all of the dropsuits are out and they can make an informed decision on which progression path they want to go. Sounds like a very healthy mindset to force on your playerbase! CCP: "Hey player base, don't play for the next 6 months while we get our art and balance assets in order!" Playerbase: "kthxbai! Time for BF4"
I complained about your comments elsewhere, but I don't think it would be so bad to have a respec at "2.1" or something like that as you suggested. I just wouldn't want respecs to become a monthly thing. |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5511
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:41:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:Crippling what? What are you talking about? If they're waiting for something, isn't it logical to set aside SP to get it, instead of wanting a respec to drop the thing that just got nerfed? Are you from this planet? So what's your suggestion for Heavies and Scouts? |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:41:00 -
[42] - Quote
ZDub 303 wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released? Whose fault is it they don't have SP set aside for those suits? I'm keeping my SP so I can go straight for the pilot suit when they're made available, if they're made available, and if they're not nerfed straight away because as usual, assault scrubs complained that they were overpowered when we don't have a clue if they'll even have a weapon slot, nevermind if we could attach modules to them that improve either the suit or the vehicle further. So essentially what you're saying is that people should stop playing the game and wait for 6-8 months until all of the dropsuits are out and they can make an informed decision on which progression path they want to go. Sounds like a very healthy mindset to force on your playerbase! CCP: "Hey player base, don't play for the next 6 months while we get our art and balance assets in order!" Playerbase: "kthxbai! Time for BF4" Do you have at least 100,000 working brain cells? Are you serious? How could you even insinuate that that was what I was getting at? How could you possibly arrive at that conclusion? |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
128
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:43:00 -
[43] - Quote
crazy space 1 wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Duran Lex wrote:They said no more respecs. period. Please stop with this misinformation. They've never set no more SP refunds. They said no more SP resets.. as in resetting everyone to 500k lifetime SP. Can people source these statements please? They have only said they won't rule it out but no more resets. sp refunds for say, 3 new racial heavy suits coming out will most likely still happen. Even eve has refunded sp, rarely but it happens It's never been handed out for balance reasons though. In 4 years eve has only refunded SP twice. Both times accompanied the removal of skills and only refunded the value of those deleted skills. The only other SP gifts were from prolonged downtimes or the recent preservation of a characters ability to fly certain ships. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1291
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:45:00 -
[44] - Quote
CoD isAIDS wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released? Whose fault is it they don't have SP set aside for those suits? I'm keeping my SP so I can go straight for the pilot suit when they're made available, if they're made available, and if they're not nerfed straight away because as usual, assault scrubs complained that they were overpowered when we don't have a clue if they'll even have a weapon slot, nevermind if we could attach modules to them that improve either the suit or the vehicle further. So essentially what you're saying is that people should stop playing the game and wait for 6-8 months until all of the dropsuits are out and they can make an informed decision on which progression path they want to go. Sounds like a very healthy mindset to force on your playerbase! CCP: "Hey player base, don't play for the next 6 months while we get our art and balance assets in order!" Playerbase: "kthxbai! Time for BF4" Do you have at least 100,000 working brain cells? Are you serious? How could you even insinuate that that was what I was getting at? How could you possibly arrive at that conclusion?
Thats exactly what you're saying. People shouldn't spend their SP until all of the basic assets are out.
Okay well.. i'm not going to intentionally gimp myself while I wait for several months for them to completely change every dropsuit and tank in the game and then.
As you say "Whose fault is it they don't have SP set aside for those suits?"
So people should set aside their SP and wait until the basic assets are completely before making an informed decision about the playstyle path they want to spend their SP points on. That is essentially what you're saying. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
357
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:54:00 -
[45] - Quote
A small part of me wants to give those FOTM players a refund so they all gravitate towards the next OP weapon and make CCP's job easier in balancing. Unfortunately since it takes a month for CCP to do anything, it'll be an infestation before something is done. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1291
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:56:00 -
[46] - Quote
Doc Noah wrote:A small part of me wants to give those FOTM players a refund so they all gravitate towards the next OP weapon and make CCP's job easier in balancing. Unfortunately since it takes a month for CCP to do anything, it'll be an infestation before something is done.
Weapons take no time at all to skill into...
Skill respec or not FOTM weapons will always be a problem.
Changing dropsuits is whats so punishing... and really what people want a respec for. |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
101
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:56:00 -
[47] - Quote
I can't find it at all...maybe it wasn't a CCP and it was a CPM. i dunno, i concede to you for now Zdub. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1292
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:59:00 -
[48] - Quote
Duran Lex wrote:I can't find it at all...maybe it wasn't a CCP and it was a CPM. i dunno, i concede to you for now Zdub.
It doesn't really matter though.
CCP can do whatever they want with a game.
They could say no more respecs and then issue one the next day if they felt there was a need. So even if they said it, it probably doesn't matter or mean that they will never ever do it. |
EternalRMG
ZionTCD
469
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:02:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:Is so they can reskill into the flavor of the month weapon/suit.
The TAR was the most used weapon and was mathematically proven to be on par with PRO blasters.
- It rightfully got nerfed, much to the chagrin of the forum.
The Caldari Logistic suit was proven to be by far the best suit in the game.
- It rightfully is getting nerfed, because there's little reason to use anything else.
Many are using the flaylock as the primary weapon, with another one as a secondary, or a mass driver as a secondary.
- It too, is rightfully getting nerfed, due to how overused it too is.
This is the only reason you all want a respec, so you can quickly skill into the next popular weapon/suit that 95% of the playerbase will start using right away. You don't deserve a respec, nor have you earned one. You act like selfish children. hahaha man if Dropships were the Fit of the Month you would be right. i want to spec out of LOGISTICS to go into DROPSHIPS |
Exergonic
TeamPlayers EoN.
254
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:09:00 -
[50] - Quote
Fail thread
L2flux then lol at their 250 armor
This game is about counters... Adapt or die
Besides we should have been given unlimited respecs during Beta so we could have done more "Testing"
And i don't care what anyone says... This game is still a beta in my eyes |
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steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
978
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:24:00 -
[51] - Quote
Why reskill to just play the game earn more sp and invest that into more skills you know the same way you got your fotm stuff . But really stop asking your not getting it. The arguments are weak start getting u Into your head this is not cod or halo. Here u need to plan and play the game 6 months from now |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:25:00 -
[52] - Quote
Ninjanomyx wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Is so they can reskill into the flavor of the month weapon/suit.
The TAR was the most used weapon and was mathematically proven to be on par with PRO blasters.
- It rightfully got nerfed, much to the chagrin of the forum.
The Caldari Logistic suit was proven to be by far the best suit in the game.
- It rightfully is getting nerfed, because there's little reason to use anything else.
Many are using the flaylock as the primary weapon, with another one as a secondary, or a mass driver as a secondary.
- It too, is rightfully getting nerfed, due to how overused it too is.
This is the only reason you all want a respec, so you can quickly skill into the next popular weapon/suit that 95% of the playerbase will start using right away. You don't deserve a respec, nor have you earned one. You act like selfish children. Incorrect!!!!! I am a Pilot & the Pilot Dropsuit is what I need. Also the Amaar Tank (I assume Rail Enforcer) is my Intended Path. We have NEITHER & I am stuck in a Gallente HAV w/ a Minnie Suit in the meantime. No Cal Log, no TAC AR, no Gheylock.....& all the Fatties are lookin' @ you Cross-Eyed. Try again :P So.................................. what's your argument? Is your SP frozen at its current count? Are you not able to earn more SP? You're not "stuck" in anything. We're getting more stuff, and there's not a thing stopping you, short of Tranquility melting down, that will stop you from earning enough SP to get to level 5 in whatever pilot suit you want, as well as skilling into an Amarr tank.
I don't understand what point you're trying to make. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:26:00 -
[53] - Quote
crazy space 1 wrote:The reason people want reset is they might LOVE playing minmatar suits who want to be a heavy are are being forced into playing Ammar or NOT PLAYING
How do you not understand this?
What about scouts? tank drivers? Why should I have to be froced to put unrefundable points in the caldari LAV when the 1st screenshot of the minmatar LAV was posted over a year ago? It's stupid. You were forced to put SP into something? Did CCP Devs go to your house and tell you at gunpoint, that you must put 2.8mil SP into Caldari Logi LAV? |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:30:00 -
[54] - Quote
Phantom Vaxer wrote:No, that is not the only reason why people want respecs or at least specific tree respecs. I don't want a respec any time soon nor may I need one. But the way Dust is being developed its basically a game that was taken out of Beta WAY TOO EARLY. I mean heavies only have 1 race of suits to spec in at the moment, Scouts are limited to 2 races, many skill bonuses are just placeholders for the actual skills they plan to use, other weapons in some categories are placeholders for upcoming weapons.
I don't ask for a respec to because of balance changes I see that they are needed cause of the fact CCP is lacking in content for a supposedly "launched" game when many many things are missing or just placeholders. So I see partial respecs in skill trees where the particular gear and skills were overhauled and when everyone can at least spec into 1 of the 4 races in each category; Light, Medium, Heavy. Think respecs like these would actually encourage people to play into the new roles when they come out instead of focusing on the currently accessible role till its finished.
So no I'm not a child. Its the fact that CCP has too many things missing in this hollow shooter and still has many fixes. This thing should have stayed in Beta till they at least got all the basic race suits in the game. You're getting it all for free. 99% of other Devs charge you for more content. Would you prefer CCP move to a paid-for scheme, instead of giving it to you for free? Why must they rush? If you think rushing is the way to go, you obviously haven't been gaming for very long at all, because the amount of incomplete rushed games cannot be counted. Everything from minor glitches to game-breaking bugs sometimes never get worked on, because they choose instead to work on additional content. Do you want CCP to go down that road? |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:34:00 -
[55] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Crippling what? What are you talking about? If they're waiting for something, isn't it logical to set aside SP to get it, instead of wanting a respec to drop the thing that just got nerfed? Are you from this planet? So what's your suggestion for Heavies and Scouts? Why do I need to give you a suggestion? Is it my fault their suits are limited? Why must they spend all of their SP? What's wrong with you? |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
218
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:36:00 -
[56] - Quote
CoD isAIDS wrote:MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote:I love when EVE nerds shout mathematics like the numbers are the be all end all of the weapons level of power
DPS is a garbage statistic right up there with KDR. Especially when you factor in that AIMING IS NOT 100%. There are multiple factors that could result in shots missing, sorry you could survive a TAC user in the open if you knew what you were doing but a PRO blaster turret will shred you especially the scatter blasters.
TTK is a better utility of a weapons effectiveness. Moreover the comparison between the PRO Blasters and the TAR was one of the most laughable comparison id seen in gaming. Honestly the spreadsheet crowd are the biggest distraction when it comes to weapon balancing, its almost as bad as that guy who runs around using the number of AR kills he see in the killfeed as the significant data point that ARs are OP based on their utility. I suppose you believe you know better than everyone else about what would be considered overpowered, and believe your opinion should count for more than any other person's. Attitudes like that are bad, and don't get people to respect you. Everybody using spreadsheets and arithmetic are the best we have right now, because we don't have access to CCP's coding or the formulas they use. If you think you could do better, then by all means, prove it.
Actually they arent when they cant even make logical conclusions. Its been shown over and over and over that DPS is a mathematically unsound variable to use in Shooters, TTK is a better method. One needs only go to any other FPS forum to see this. There are plenty of Youtube videos on PS2 weapons that show disparities in DPS yet TTK disparity is nonexistent. It also doesnt factor in player skill both on the part of the shooter and the one being shot.
DPS works in MMO because it is almost 100%, though it wont factor in block, parry, dodge values at times and its because the same principles for actively dodging damage arent present as they are in FPS. As for my knowing better yes i can say i know better then most players, i dont need to prove anything just disprove players who use spreadsheets as example of a weapons overpowered nature.
A pure DPS model as is the majority of what people use in this forum is simply a wrong methodology. Also there were many who said the DPS of the TAC wasnt as much the issue as the effective range of other weapons and the TAC ROF. The reality is there is a pain wobble that occurs when being shot but a TAC user could outrange every weapon by nearly 40% so there was no return fire to suppress the user and throw off their aim by being hit with bullets. The ROF allowed the weapon to function very efficiently in close range because even now the aiming of CQC is abyssmal so it allowed the hipfire of the TAC even with poor accuracy outperform weapon in that range because there simply wasnt a solid range coefficient on those weapons or proper aiming mechanics for them to work(aim is still broken as per the blog about magnetization).
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Abby Invo
muse.and.fury
22
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:37:00 -
[57] - Quote
MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote:I love when EVE nerds shout mathematics like the numbers are the be all end all of the weapons level of power
DPS is a garbage statistic right up there with KDR. Especially when you factor in that AIMING IS NOT 100%. There are multiple factors that could result in shots missing, sorry you could survive a TAC user in the open if you knew what you were doing but a PRO blaster turret will shred you especially the scatter blasters.
TTK is a better utility of a weapons effectiveness. Moreover the comparison between the PRO Blasters and the TAR was one of the most laughable comparison id seen in gaming. Honestly the spreadsheet crowd are the biggest distraction when it comes to weapon balancing, its almost as bad as that guy who runs around using the number of AR kills he see in the killfeed as the significant data point that ARs are OP based on their utility. TTK is a viciously useless stat in a game where health and hitboxes vary to such large degrees. |
dday3six
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
118
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:38:00 -
[58] - Quote
CoD isAIDS wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:The reason people want reset is they might LOVE playing minmatar suits who want to be a heavy are are being forced into playing Ammar or NOT PLAYING
How do you not understand this?
What about scouts? tank drivers? Why should I have to be froced to put unrefundable points in the caldari LAV when the 1st screenshot of the minmatar LAV was posted over a year ago? It's stupid. You were forced to put SP into something? Did CCP Devs go to your house and tell you at gunpoint, that you must put 2.8mil SP into Caldari Logi LAV?
I've come to the conclusion you don't even play Dust. Cause if you did you'd understand that a player cannot complete with Militia gear and core upgrades against other players with PRO gear. So while CCP doesn't force anyone to spend their SP, wanting to play Dust with reasonable (READ not die to being sneezed at) results does. |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
218
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:38:00 -
[59] - Quote
Exergonic wrote:Fail thread
L2flux then lol at their 250 armor
This game is about counters... Adapt or die
Besides we should have been given unlimited respecs during Beta so we could have done more "Testing"
And i don't care what anyone says... This game is still a beta in my eyes
Beta is generous, Betas are designed for bug testing. This is an alpha build they dont even have the core mechanics down yet. Forget all the hoopla over aiming, im still finding objects going through the floor all the time, not to mention GETTING STUCK ON THE MAP.
This game is a joke and honestly i believe it is one giant troll on the PS3 community by CCP. |
Orion Vahid
DUST University Ivy League
92
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:45:00 -
[60] - Quote
Deluxe Edition wrote:lol I love bad players who think it's all the weapon or the suit that kills them, and not that they just suck at aiming.
The reason we want respecs is because playing one class over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again for months on end, and an incefdibly long grind to spec into something new makes the game boring. Respec so I can try new things. Exactly. I don't even use "FOTM"; I'm actually a HMG Heavy and I just want to redistribute my points better for Heavy. I spec'd into Sentinel suits just to realize they suck and with the racial Heavies coming... |
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CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:59:00 -
[61] - Quote
dday3six wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:The reason people want reset is they might LOVE playing minmatar suits who want to be a heavy are are being forced into playing Ammar or NOT PLAYING
How do you not understand this?
What about scouts? tank drivers? Why should I have to be froced to put unrefundable points in the caldari LAV when the 1st screenshot of the minmatar LAV was posted over a year ago? It's stupid. You were forced to put SP into something? Did CCP Devs go to your house and tell you at gunpoint, that you must put 2.8mil SP into Caldari Logi LAV? I've come to the conclusion you don't even play Dust. Cause if you did you'd understand that a player cannot complete with Militia gear and core upgrades against other players with PRO gear. So while CCP doesn't force anyone to spend their SP, wanting to play Dust with reasonable ( READ not die to being sneezed at) results does. I've been playing Dust since you needed a beta key. |
Paran Tadec
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1249
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:00:00 -
[62] - Quote
everyone begging for respecs needs to be rounded up and put on a train... |
dday3six
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
120
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:05:00 -
[63] - Quote
CoD isAIDS wrote:dday3six wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:The reason people want reset is they might LOVE playing minmatar suits who want to be a heavy are are being forced into playing Ammar or NOT PLAYING
How do you not understand this?
What about scouts? tank drivers? Why should I have to be froced to put unrefundable points in the caldari LAV when the 1st screenshot of the minmatar LAV was posted over a year ago? It's stupid. You were forced to put SP into something? Did CCP Devs go to your house and tell you at gunpoint, that you must put 2.8mil SP into Caldari Logi LAV? I've come to the conclusion you don't even play Dust. Cause if you did you'd understand that a player cannot complete with Militia gear and core upgrades against other players with PRO gear. So while CCP doesn't force anyone to spend their SP, wanting to play Dust with reasonable ( READ not die to being sneezed at) results does. I've been playing Dust since you needed a beta key.
If that is true, and I honestly doubt it. I demand proof that you have been cleared by a medical professional to interact with the rest of society on meaningful psychological level. Cause all I've seen is poor trolling. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:26:00 -
[64] - Quote
dday3six wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:dday3six wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:The reason people want reset is they might LOVE playing minmatar suits who want to be a heavy are are being forced into playing Ammar or NOT PLAYING
How do you not understand this?
What about scouts? tank drivers? Why should I have to be froced to put unrefundable points in the caldari LAV when the 1st screenshot of the minmatar LAV was posted over a year ago? It's stupid. You were forced to put SP into something? Did CCP Devs go to your house and tell you at gunpoint, that you must put 2.8mil SP into Caldari Logi LAV? I've come to the conclusion you don't even play Dust. Cause if you did you'd understand that a player cannot complete with Militia gear and core upgrades against other players with PRO gear. So while CCP doesn't force anyone to spend their SP, wanting to play Dust with reasonable ( READ not die to being sneezed at) results does. I've been playing Dust since you needed a beta key. If that is true, and I honestly doubt it. I demand proof that you have been cleared by a medical professional to interact with the rest of society on meaningful psychological level. Cause all I've seen is poor trolling. Lol
You're from RND. 'Nuff said. Go back to protostomping Academy graduates. |
dday3six
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
120
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:39:00 -
[65] - Quote
CoD isAIDS wrote:
You're from RND. 'Nuff said. Go back to protostomping Academy graduates.
I guess the jokes on you that I don't even a PRO suit to go protostomping in. However I will take the opportunity to remind you that proto-stomping is the very reason why players are forced to spend SP rather then wait indefinitely to one day spec into what they want, or something that might not completely neutered by balance changes or core gameplay updates.
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KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
158
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Posted - 2013.07.27 02:19:00 -
[66] - Quote
Deluxe Edition wrote:lol I love bad players who think it's all the weapon or the suit that kills them, and not that they just suck at aiming.
The reason we want respecs is because playing one class over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again for months on end, and an incefdibly long grind to spec into something new makes the game boring. Respec so I can try new things.
This thank you is why we need a respec option available at all times. The flipping game is boring lets us play and have FUN! |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1291
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Posted - 2013.07.27 02:25:00 -
[67] - Quote
CoD isAIDS wrote:Is so they can reskill into the flavor of the month weapon/suit.
The TAR was the most used weapon and was mathematically proven to be on par with PRO blasters.
- It rightfully got nerfed, much to the chagrin of the forum.
The Caldari Logistic suit was proven to be by far the best suit in the game.
- It rightfully is getting nerfed, because there's little reason to use anything else.
Many are using the flaylock as the primary weapon, with another one as a secondary, or a mass driver as a secondary.
- It too, is rightfully getting nerfed, due to how overused it too is.
This is the only reason you all want a respec, so you can quickly skill into the next popular weapon/suit that 95% of the playerbase will start using right away. You don't deserve a respec, nor have you earned one. You act like selfish children.
Funny you should say this, because the AR is, by far, the most overused weapon in Dust. In fact, in pubs, the game most of us play, the AR accounts for as many kills as 10 out of 12 light/sidearm weapons combined.
Hail AR 514, hail king AR!
Oh yeah, no respecs are inbound. |
Exergonic
TeamPlayers EoN.
254
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Posted - 2013.07.27 06:32:00 -
[68] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Is so they can reskill into the flavor of the month weapon/suit.
The TAR was the most used weapon and was mathematically proven to be on par with PRO blasters.
- It rightfully got nerfed, much to the chagrin of the forum.
The Caldari Logistic suit was proven to be by far the best suit in the game.
- It rightfully is getting nerfed, because there's little reason to use anything else.
Many are using the flaylock as the primary weapon, with another one as a secondary, or a mass driver as a secondary.
- It too, is rightfully getting nerfed, due to how overused it too is.
This is the only reason you all want a respec, so you can quickly skill into the next popular weapon/suit that 95% of the playerbase will start using right away. You don't deserve a respec, nor have you earned one. You act like selfish children. Funny you should say this, because the AR is, by far, the most overused weapon in Dust. In fact, in pubs, the game most of us play, the AR accounts for as many kills as 10 out of 12 light/sidearm weapons combined. Hail AR 514, hail king AR! Oh yeah, no respecs are inbound.
The most versatile weapon is used by more then half the community
You don't say |
TODDSTER024
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
96
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Posted - 2013.07.27 06:37:00 -
[69] - Quote
You forgot contact grenades. I have about 300k SP i wouldnt mind reasigning to cpu & pg... |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
769
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Posted - 2013.07.27 07:09:00 -
[70] - Quote
Quote:You act like selfish children.
ummm this a game. A game the developers of which brag about how player input shapes its design.
I want players to get a respec because their play style has been nerfed and it is fair that they be allowed to choose to stick with it or try something else. I personally have never speced into Tar or cal logi or flaylock. Obviously i do not want a respec so i can run after the next OP.
I have just dismantled your whole argument. Please sit down and shut up. |
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1300
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Posted - 2013.07.27 07:12:00 -
[71] - Quote
hooc order wrote:Quote:You act like selfish children. ummm this a game. A game the developers of which brag about how player input shapes its design. I want players to get a respec because their play style has been nerfed and it is fair that they be allowed to choose to stick with it or try something else. I personally have never speced into Tar or cal logi or flaylock. Obviously i do not want a respec so i can run after the next OP. I have just dismantled your whole argument. Please sit down and shut up.
I suspect people just dont want to hear logic.
and most want cal logis to pay for what they did. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3233
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Posted - 2013.07.27 07:15:00 -
[72] - Quote
ZDub 303 wrote:hooc order wrote:Quote:You act like selfish children. ummm this a game. A game the developers of which brag about how player input shapes its design. I want players to get a respec because their play style has been nerfed and it is fair that they be allowed to choose to stick with it or try something else. I personally have never speced into Tar or cal logi or flaylock. Obviously i do not want a respec so i can run after the next OP. I have just dismantled your whole argument. Please sit down and shut up. I suspect people just dont want to hear logic. and most want cal logis to pay for what they did. No, we want balanced game mechanics. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
770
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Posted - 2013.07.27 07:32:00 -
[73] - Quote
Cosgar wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:hooc order wrote:Quote:You act like selfish children. ummm this a game. A game the developers of which brag about how player input shapes its design. I want players to get a respec because their play style has been nerfed and it is fair that they be allowed to choose to stick with it or try something else. I personally have never speced into Tar or cal logi or flaylock. Obviously i do not want a respec so i can run after the next OP. I have just dismantled your whole argument. Please sit down and shut up. I suspect people just dont want to hear logic. and most want cal logis to pay for what they did. No, we want balanced game mechanics.
No one disagrees with balance. it is like puppies and pizza; everyone loves it.
If you want balance then logically you should be fine with the respec. Less people will complain and the nerf will go smoothly without much fuss. |
dday3six
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
122
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Posted - 2013.07.27 07:39:00 -
[74] - Quote
ZDub 303 wrote:hooc order wrote:Quote:You act like selfish children. ummm this a game. A game the developers of which brag about how player input shapes its design. I want players to get a respec because their play style has been nerfed and it is fair that they be allowed to choose to stick with it or try something else. I personally have never speced into Tar or cal logi or flaylock. Obviously i do not want a respec so i can run after the next OP. I have just dismantled your whole argument. Please sit down and shut up. I suspect people just dont want to hear logic. and most want cal logis to pay for what they did.
I've always had a hard time blaming players for using the tools developers gave them. The biggest issue is how most players see things differently from most developers. Basically Devs are looking at a what's fun angle, while players look at what wins. |
xSir Campsalotx
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
46
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Posted - 2013.07.27 07:51:00 -
[75] - Quote
MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote:I love when EVE nerds shout mathematics like the numbers are the be all end all of the weapons level of power
DPS is a garbage statistic right up there with KDR. Especially when you factor in that AIMING IS NOT 100%. There are multiple factors that could result in shots missing, sorry you could survive a TAC user in the open if you knew what you were doing but a PRO blaster turret will shred you especially the scatter blasters.
TTK is a better utility of a weapons effectiveness. Moreover the comparison between the PRO Blasters and the TAR was one of the most laughable comparison id seen in gaming. Honestly the spreadsheet crowd are the biggest distraction when it comes to weapon balancing, its almost as bad as that guy who runs around using the number of AR kills he see in the killfeed as the significant data point that ARs are OP based on their utility.
You do realize TTK and dps are essentially the same or rather are in an inverse correlation the higher one is the lower the other. |
Balzich Rotaine
ZODS ARMY
173
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Posted - 2013.07.27 08:14:00 -
[76] - Quote
ZDub 303 wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Do you feel better now that you've created the 12684739th thread on "why i'm mad some people we're killing me in FOTM suits and now they should pay for it"? I'm skilled into tanks. Your Duvolle can't hurt me. You're probably just pissed that you can't reassign those skill points into the next flavor of the month. What's the next FOTM? I'm curious.. I hope it's butter pecan. |
Flyingconejo
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
166
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Posted - 2013.07.27 10:42:00 -
[77] - Quote
Deluxe Edition wrote:lol I love bad players who think it's all the weapon or the suit that kills them, and not that they just suck at aiming.
The reason we want respecs is because playing one class over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again for months on end, and an incefdibly long grind to spec into something new makes the game boring. Respec so I can try new things.
^^^ QFT.
See? He understands. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:23:00 -
[78] - Quote
TODDSTER024 wrote:You forgot contact grenades. I have about 300k SP i wouldnt mind reasigning to cpu & pg... Still allows you to use ADV locus, AV, and flux grenades. |
Ninjanomyx
One Who Bears Fangs At GOD
118
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:32:00 -
[79] - Quote
hooc order wrote:Cosgar wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:hooc order wrote:Quote:You act like selfish children. ummm this a game. A game the developers of which brag about how player input shapes its design. I want players to get a respec because their play style has been nerfed and it is fair that they be allowed to choose to stick with it or try something else. I personally have never speced into Tar or cal logi or flaylock. Obviously i do not want a respec so i can run after the next OP. I have just dismantled your whole argument. Please sit down and shut up. I suspect people just dont want to hear logic. and most want cal logis to pay for what they did. No, we want balanced game mechanics. No one disagrees with balance. it is like puppies and pizza; everyone loves it. If you want balance then logically you should be fine with the respec. Less people will complain and the nerf will go smoothly without much fuss.
WRONG!!!!! I hate Puppies.........but I'd F**K a Pizza :P |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
371
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:34:00 -
[80] - Quote
People not OK with respecs = Neckbeards People OK with respecs = Everybody else.
We would then be able to balance the game ourselves while we wait for real balance.
10,000,000 ISK Available once every 720 hours. |
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Brolaire of Asstoria
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:36:00 -
[81] - Quote
....and once the respec happens and everyone skills into the next possibly OP suit and CCP "rebalances" that, people lose their lives again with the wailing and gnashing of teeth crying out for ANOTHER respec... Lather rinse repeat...times infinity! No respec |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:41:00 -
[82] - Quote
hooc order wrote:Quote:You act like selfish children. ummm this a game. A game the developers of which brag about how player input shapes its design. I want players to get a respec because their play style has been nerfed and it is fair that they be allowed to choose to stick with it or try something else. I personally have never speced into Tar or cal logi or flaylock. Obviously i do not want a respec so i can run after the next OP. I have just dismantled your whole argument. Please sit down and shut up. I'll say it again, in bold, so you can hopefully understand it.
When 95% of the playerbase is using one thing, then that's the flavor of the month. I'm sure you remember just how many people were using the tactical ARs. When you have so many using one specific type of weapon, ignoring everything else, then that becomes a problem. When people show that, mathematically, the Duvolle TAR is on par with PRO blaster turret, then it's a problem. When one particular suit has so many advantages over all the others, that it's one, useless to use the others, and two, if you don't use it it puts you at such a disadvantage, then that's a problem.
What part of when everybody uses one particular thing, it's a problem, don't you understand? People are using the flaylock over the mass driver. Why? Could you figure it out? I wouldn't know from experience because I'm a pilot. But, from what I've read on here, it does around the same damage, faster fire rate, and a faster reload than the mass driver. With that being said, what reason is there to use the mass driver, when you can put a flaylock in the L slot as well, thereby having two?
The only thing you've dismantled is a building made out of Legos. It doesn't matter what you do or don't use. As yourself, you're one person among thousands. Why do you think your opinion should count above others?
You want to talk about a playstyle that got nerfed, then let's talk about vehicles. Consecutive nerfs through builds, culminating in the PG skill nerf upon Uprising deployment. Turret prices were basically doubled. Now, CCP says the rep rate is a "bug," the same repair rate and "bug" that has been in the game through multiple builds now. We asked for, and deserved a skill respec, and do you want to know why? Because they changed what the skills did without telling us, and left the old description on the skill itself. The powergrid skill for vehicles used to add 5% per level. Now it decreases CPU usage of powergrid expansion modules. That's not the same, right? Turret skills used to add 3 and 2% for operation and proficiency, respectively. Now, they add 1% per level.
The most popular hull is the Madrugar, because it offers the most fitting options and is the best bang for the buck. The most popular AV are swarms and AV grenades, because they're idiot proof and, because they're explosive weaponry, get a damage bonus against armor. A big bonus. 4 Lai Dai packed AV grenades is enough to completely destroy a Madrugar that is waiting for its modules to cool down. That's around 6,400 damage considering the damage bonus, with explosive weaponry is 120% against armor.
You wouldn't know how to destroy an argument if you've been a lawyer for 20 years. |
Phantom Vaxer
The Generals EoN.
59
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Posted - 2013.07.27 20:23:00 -
[83] - Quote
CoD isAIDS wrote:Phantom Vaxer wrote:No, that is not the only reason why people want respecs or at least specific tree respecs. I don't want a respec any time soon nor may I need one. But the way Dust is being developed its basically a game that was taken out of Beta WAY TOO EARLY. I mean heavies only have 1 race of suits to spec in at the moment, Scouts are limited to 2 races, many skill bonuses are just placeholders for the actual skills they plan to use, other weapons in some categories are placeholders for upcoming weapons.
I don't ask for a respec to because of balance changes I see that they are needed cause of the fact CCP is lacking in content for a supposedly "launched" game when many many things are missing or just placeholders. So I see partial respecs in skill trees where the particular gear and skills were overhauled and when everyone can at least spec into 1 of the 4 races in each category; Light, Medium, Heavy. Think respecs like these would actually encourage people to play into the new roles when they come out instead of focusing on the currently accessible role till its finished.
So no I'm not a child. Its the fact that CCP has too many things missing in this hollow shooter and still has many fixes. This thing should have stayed in Beta till they at least got all the basic race suits in the game. You're getting it all for free. 99% of other Devs charge you for more content. Would you prefer CCP move to a paid-for scheme, instead of giving it to you for free? Why must they rush? If you think rushing is the way to go, you obviously haven't been gaming for very long at all, because the amount of incomplete rushed games cannot be counted. Everything from minor glitches to game-breaking bugs sometimes never get worked on, because they choose instead to work on additional content. Do you want CCP to go down that road?
Well lets see...its the fact that many other games have been released with A LOT more polish. Also really? Cause until 1.4 they've mostly just been adding new content before even working on aiming except when in April it was absolutely horrid.. Also they want this game to shine and succeed but that isn't going to work when your players just get annoyed by the lack of respecs when the game has MANY MANY things missing or just placeholders.
CCP could be making themselves look A LOT better if they were still in beta. |
DRE PrEaCh
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
32
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Posted - 2013.07.27 20:45:00 -
[84] - Quote
CoD isAIDS wrote:Is so they can reskill into the flavor of the month weapon/suit.
The TAR was the most used weapon and was mathematically proven to be on par with PRO blasters.
- It rightfully got nerfed, much to the chagrin of the forum.
The Caldari Logistic suit was proven to be by far the best suit in the game.
- It rightfully is getting nerfed, because there's little reason to use anything else.
Many are using the flaylock as the primary weapon, with another one as a secondary, or a mass driver as a secondary.
- It too, is rightfully getting nerfed, due to how overused it too is.
This is the only reason you all want a respec, so you can quickly skill into the next popular weapon/suit that 95% of the playerbase will start using right away. You don't deserve a respec, nor have you earned one. You act like selfish children.
are you the dust police? |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:04:00 -
[85] - Quote
DRE PrEaCh wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Is so they can reskill into the flavor of the month weapon/suit.
The TAR was the most used weapon and was mathematically proven to be on par with PRO blasters.
- It rightfully got nerfed, much to the chagrin of the forum.
The Caldari Logistic suit was proven to be by far the best suit in the game.
- It rightfully is getting nerfed, because there's little reason to use anything else.
Many are using the flaylock as the primary weapon, with another one as a secondary, or a mass driver as a secondary.
- It too, is rightfully getting nerfed, due to how overused it too is.
This is the only reason you all want a respec, so you can quickly skill into the next popular weapon/suit that 95% of the playerbase will start using right away. You don't deserve a respec, nor have you earned one. You act like selfish children. are you the dust police? No, just a long-time gamer. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:07:00 -
[86] - Quote
Phantom Vaxer wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Phantom Vaxer wrote:No, that is not the only reason why people want respecs or at least specific tree respecs. I don't want a respec any time soon nor may I need one. But the way Dust is being developed its basically a game that was taken out of Beta WAY TOO EARLY. I mean heavies only have 1 race of suits to spec in at the moment, Scouts are limited to 2 races, many skill bonuses are just placeholders for the actual skills they plan to use, other weapons in some categories are placeholders for upcoming weapons.
I don't ask for a respec to because of balance changes I see that they are needed cause of the fact CCP is lacking in content for a supposedly "launched" game when many many things are missing or just placeholders. So I see partial respecs in skill trees where the particular gear and skills were overhauled and when everyone can at least spec into 1 of the 4 races in each category; Light, Medium, Heavy. Think respecs like these would actually encourage people to play into the new roles when they come out instead of focusing on the currently accessible role till its finished.
So no I'm not a child. Its the fact that CCP has too many things missing in this hollow shooter and still has many fixes. This thing should have stayed in Beta till they at least got all the basic race suits in the game. You're getting it all for free. 99% of other Devs charge you for more content. Would you prefer CCP move to a paid-for scheme, instead of giving it to you for free? Why must they rush? If you think rushing is the way to go, you obviously haven't been gaming for very long at all, because the amount of incomplete rushed games cannot be counted. Everything from minor glitches to game-breaking bugs sometimes never get worked on, because they choose instead to work on additional content. Do you want CCP to go down that road? Well lets see...its the fact that many other games have been released with A LOT more polish. Also really? Cause until 1.4 they've mostly just been adding new content before even working on aiming except when in April it was absolutely horrid.. Also they want this game to shine and succeed but that isn't going to work when your players just get annoyed by the lack of respecs when the game has MANY MANY things missing or just placeholders. CCP could be making themselves look A LOT better if they were still in beta. I don't have a blue tag next to my name. Take that up with them. |
Vesidar
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:38:00 -
[87] - Quote
Honestly, even though I can understand why we would most likely not get a respec, it would be kinda disappointing. With one of the devs talking about the possibility of removing the turn-speed limitation on different size dropsuits and the strafing increase across the board, I probably would have majorly considered dumping my SP into something other than scouts. It feels like I'm slowly losing the small pros that I had, while simultaneously gaining nothing in return and keeping all the cons.
If they fix my suit, great, I'll be happy and not even care about the respec argument. But until they do, I'm all in favor of a respec so I can get into something that's not utterly useless and maybe actually be useful/have fun on the battlefield. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1305
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Posted - 2013.07.27 22:13:00 -
[88] - Quote
Vesidar wrote:Honestly, even though I can understand why we would most likely not get a respec, it would be kinda disappointing. With one of the devs talking about the possibility of removing the turn-speed limitation on different size dropsuits and the strafing increase across the board, I probably would have majorly considered dumping my SP into something other than scouts. It feels like I'm slowly losing the small pros that I had, while simultaneously gaining nothing in return and keeping all the cons.
If they fix my suit, great, I'll be happy and not even care about the respec argument. But until they do, I'm all in favor of a respec so I can get into something that's not utterly useless and maybe actually be useful/have fun on the battlefield.
Hard to make an informed decision when everything keeps changing constantly huh?
but no... everyone wants you to wait, farm SP for 3-4 months and change you're specialization that way. You made a mistake specing into scouts, now you should live with the consequences of that decision.
What a great game... |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
449
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Posted - 2013.07.27 22:46:00 -
[89] - Quote
ZDub 303 wrote:I think its a bit short sighted to expect we're never gonna have another one.
A respec for 1.3? I don't think anyone was/is expecting that.
But I can gaurantee that by 1.7 the dropsuits will be completely different from what we have now... a respec will be necessary at some point... as you just can't make informed and reasonable decisions atm with all of the changes going on right now. Sorry,but I could only give you one "like".
The problem is that the changes are so many,and so frequent,that the only thing that you can rely on is the GEK and some of the scramble pistols,everything else is pretty much up for grabs at this point.
I've said it before and I'll say it again,CCP is building this game completely backwards.Every time they add more stuff,it's pretty much broken from day one,then it has to be rebalanced,and that's a MAJOR problem CONSIDERING THAT NOT EVEN HALF OF THE GUNS,DROPSUITS,AND VEHICLES AREN'T IN THE GAME!!!
This fix it as they go BS needs to stop.They should be doing major balances when all suits,guns,and vehicles are present in the game,not before.All it is doing is driving people away and making CCP look like they don't know how to properly make a shooter(which evidence shows that they don't). |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
299
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Posted - 2013.07.27 22:48:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Vesidar wrote:Honestly, even though I can understand why we would most likely not get a respec, it would be kinda disappointing. With one of the devs talking about the possibility of removing the turn-speed limitation on different size dropsuits and the strafing increase across the board, I probably would have majorly considered dumping my SP into something other than scouts. It feels like I'm slowly losing the small pros that I had, while simultaneously gaining nothing in return and keeping all the cons.
If they fix my suit, great, I'll be happy and not even care about the respec argument. But until they do, I'm all in favor of a respec so I can get into something that's not utterly useless and maybe actually be useful/have fun on the battlefield. Hard to make an informed decision when everything keeps changing constantly huh? but no... everyone wants you to wait, farm SP for 3-4 months and change you're specialization that way. You made a mistake specing into scouts, now you should live with the consequences of that decision. What a great game...
If they don't do this than we will quit playing the game. It's all a vicious cycle of scam. You spec into something you like it and it gets nerfed. It's only a matter of time before CCP listens to all the idiots and make the AR shoot 20m and spray like crazy. |
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Chilled Pill
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
125
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Posted - 2013.07.27 23:12:00 -
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I think the OP needs to stop using blanket words like 'everyone'. Because anyone who has spent more than a few minutes reading through other respec request threads know that quite a lot of people are currently against a respec. |
negative49er
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
99
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Posted - 2013.07.28 00:58:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:lol I love bad players who think it's all the weapon or the suit that kills them, and not that they just suck at aiming.
The reason we want respecs is because playing one class over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again for months on end, and an incefdibly long grind to spec into something new makes the game boring. Respec so I can try new things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc9W2LrFPZM |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2013.07.28 04:53:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Vesidar wrote:Honestly, even though I can understand why we would most likely not get a respec, it would be kinda disappointing. With one of the devs talking about the possibility of removing the turn-speed limitation on different size dropsuits and the strafing increase across the board, I probably would have majorly considered dumping my SP into something other than scouts. It feels like I'm slowly losing the small pros that I had, while simultaneously gaining nothing in return and keeping all the cons.
If they fix my suit, great, I'll be happy and not even care about the respec argument. But until they do, I'm all in favor of a respec so I can get into something that's not utterly useless and maybe actually be useful/have fun on the battlefield. Hard to make an informed decision when everything keeps changing constantly huh? but no... everyone wants you to wait, farm SP for 3-4 months and change you're specialization that way. You made a mistake specing into scouts, now you should live with the consequences of that decision. What a great game... I don't see the problem with it. Why do you see a problem with it? |
dday3six
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
126
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:10:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Vesidar wrote:Honestly, even though I can understand why we would most likely not get a respec, it would be kinda disappointing. With one of the devs talking about the possibility of removing the turn-speed limitation on different size dropsuits and the strafing increase across the board, I probably would have majorly considered dumping my SP into something other than scouts. It feels like I'm slowly losing the small pros that I had, while simultaneously gaining nothing in return and keeping all the cons.
If they fix my suit, great, I'll be happy and not even care about the respec argument. But until they do, I'm all in favor of a respec so I can get into something that's not utterly useless and maybe actually be useful/have fun on the battlefield. Hard to make an informed decision when everything keeps changing constantly huh? but no... everyone wants you to wait, farm SP for 3-4 months and change you're specialization that way. You made a mistake specing into scouts, now you should live with the consequences of that decision. What a great game... I don't see the problem with it. Why do you see a problem with it?
How about for one because some play the game for more than just the grind. If I wanted to play Farmville, I'd play it. How about because many people, most of whom are against respec, talk about how the skill tree is designed make players live with their choices and make informed choices knowing their choices have lasting ramifications, for another. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:15:00 -
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dday3six wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Vesidar wrote:Honestly, even though I can understand why we would most likely not get a respec, it would be kinda disappointing. With one of the devs talking about the possibility of removing the turn-speed limitation on different size dropsuits and the strafing increase across the board, I probably would have majorly considered dumping my SP into something other than scouts. It feels like I'm slowly losing the small pros that I had, while simultaneously gaining nothing in return and keeping all the cons.
If they fix my suit, great, I'll be happy and not even care about the respec argument. But until they do, I'm all in favor of a respec so I can get into something that's not utterly useless and maybe actually be useful/have fun on the battlefield. Hard to make an informed decision when everything keeps changing constantly huh? but no... everyone wants you to wait, farm SP for 3-4 months and change you're specialization that way. You made a mistake specing into scouts, now you should live with the consequences of that decision. What a great game... I don't see the problem with it. Why do you see a problem with it? How about for one because some play the game for more than just the grind. If I wanted to play Farmville, I'd play it. How about because many people, most of whom are against respec, talk about how the skill tree is designed make players live with their choices and make informed choices knowing their choices have lasting ramifications, for another. ........................... What? Maybe you should have some coffee or a Red Bull and try that again. |
dday3six
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
126
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:20:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:dday3six wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Vesidar wrote:Honestly, even though I can understand why we would most likely not get a respec, it would be kinda disappointing. With one of the devs talking about the possibility of removing the turn-speed limitation on different size dropsuits and the strafing increase across the board, I probably would have majorly considered dumping my SP into something other than scouts. It feels like I'm slowly losing the small pros that I had, while simultaneously gaining nothing in return and keeping all the cons.
If they fix my suit, great, I'll be happy and not even care about the respec argument. But until they do, I'm all in favor of a respec so I can get into something that's not utterly useless and maybe actually be useful/have fun on the battlefield. Hard to make an informed decision when everything keeps changing constantly huh? but no... everyone wants you to wait, farm SP for 3-4 months and change you're specialization that way. You made a mistake specing into scouts, now you should live with the consequences of that decision. What a great game... I don't see the problem with it. Why do you see a problem with it? How about for one because some play the game for more than just the grind. If I wanted to play Farmville, I'd play it. How about because many people, most of whom are against respec s, talk about how the skill tree is designed to make players live with their choices and make informed choices knowing their choices have lasting ramifications, for another. ........................... What? Maybe you should have some coffee or a Red Bull and try that again.
If you can't understand something because I missed an 's' to make respec plural, or because I forgot to put 'to' inbetween 'designed' and 'make' the issue lies a lot more with you then with me for making minor errors. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:25:00 -
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dday3six wrote:
If you can't understand something because I missed an 's' to make respec plural, or because I forgot to put 'to' inbetween 'designed' and 'make' the issue lies a lot more with you then with me for making minor errors.
It's because the reply doesn't agree or disagree with my first post, only goes to state something that we've figured out over a short amount of time, ie. the skill tree is designed for the long haul, what with not being able to respec our points after certain conditions are met. Believe me, it has nothing to do with my reading comprehension. I was reading mature adult books in junior high. My reading comprehension was 8th grade level when I was in 5th grade. |
dday3six
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
126
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Posted - 2013.07.28 06:15:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:dday3six wrote:
If you can't understand something because I missed an 's' to make respec plural, or because I forgot to put 'to' inbetween 'designed' and 'make' the issue lies a lot more with you then with me for making minor errors.
It's because the reply doesn't agree or disagree with my first post, only goes to state something that we've figured out over a short amount of time, ie. the skill tree is designed for the long haul, what with not being able to respec our points after certain conditions are met. Believe me, it has nothing to do with my reading comprehension. I was reading mature adult books in junior high. My reading comprehension was 8th grade level when I was in 5th grade.
I wasn't questioning your reading comp, and the fact that you have to defend it is amusing.
You asked for reasons why ZDub 303 saw an issue with having to horde SP, and I quoted that to attact a context to my reply.
Since elaboration is obviously needed. My first point was hording SP and not accessing skills is, what pans out to be only playing for the grind, in my opinion, and not all players wish to do that. My second point was that players, who are often against respecs, state that the skill tree works out to living with your choices, with life made better by researching your options. Now that point required a bit of correlation on your part, connecting the dots of what I said in reference to ZDub's replay but it boils down to the question - How are we suppose to make informed choices that we must live with it, if the info on which we base those choices is subject to continual change?
Now do you feel greater sense of validation since I took more time with that reply? |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
749
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Posted - 2013.07.28 12:23:00 -
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FOTM players
Everytime the FOTM toy is taken away from them they want a respec even tho they knew it was a FOTM toy and was blatently OP
Only time i would allow a respec is when everything is out, suit/weapons/vehicles but asking for a respec because you skilled into a OP FOTM toy is your own fault because you should have known it would get nerfed |
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