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CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:11:00 -
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Is so they can reskill into the flavor of the month weapon/suit.
The TAR was the most used weapon and was mathematically proven to be on par with PRO blasters.
- It rightfully got nerfed, much to the chagrin of the forum.
The Caldari Logistic suit was proven to be by far the best suit in the game.
- It rightfully is getting nerfed, because there's little reason to use anything else.
Many are using the flaylock as the primary weapon, with another one as a secondary, or a mass driver as a secondary.
- It too, is rightfully getting nerfed, due to how overused it too is.
This is the only reason you all want a respec, so you can quickly skill into the next popular weapon/suit that 95% of the playerbase will start using right away. You don't deserve a respec, nor have you earned one. You act like selfish children. |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:16:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Do you feel better now that you've created the 12684739th thread on "why i'm mad some people we're killing me in FOTM suits and now they should pay for it"? I'm skilled into tanks. Your Duvolle can't hurt me.
You're probably just pissed that you can't reassign those skill points into the next flavor of the month. |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:35:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:1.4 / 1.5 may be bringing in some massive changes, so if ever there was going to be a time for a respec, it could very well be then. No
If they're going to make massive changes to 20% of the skills, then yeah, I'd agree with an optional respec.
But why get one just to get the next OP suit/weapon? |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:05:00 -
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MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote:I love when EVE nerds shout mathematics like the numbers are the be all end all of the weapons level of power
DPS is a garbage statistic right up there with KDR. Especially when you factor in that AIMING IS NOT 100%. There are multiple factors that could result in shots missing, sorry you could survive a TAC user in the open if you knew what you were doing but a PRO blaster turret will shred you especially the scatter blasters.
TTK is a better utility of a weapons effectiveness. Moreover the comparison between the PRO Blasters and the TAR was one of the most laughable comparison id seen in gaming. Honestly the spreadsheet crowd are the biggest distraction when it comes to weapon balancing, its almost as bad as that guy who runs around using the number of AR kills he see in the killfeed as the significant data point that ARs are OP based on their utility. I suppose you believe you know better than everyone else about what would be considered overpowered, and believe your opinion should count for more than any other person's. Attitudes like that are bad, and don't get people to respect you.
Everybody using spreadsheets and arithmetic are the best we have right now, because we don't have access to CCP's coding or the formulas they use. If you think you could do better, then by all means, prove it. |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:08:00 -
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Whose fault is it things get boring? Keep some SP aside to try new things.
You're supposed to specialize in something. How about you try grinding out a new character to specialize in something else, like a vehicle operator? |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:09:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released? Whose fault is it they don't have SP set aside for those suits? I'm keeping my SP so I can go straight for the pilot suit when they're made available, if they're made available, and if they're not nerfed straight away because as usual, assault scrubs complained that they were overpowered when we don't have a clue if they'll even have a weapon slot, nevermind if we could attach modules to them that improve either the suit or the vehicle further. |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:39:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released? Whose fault is it they don't have SP set aside for those suits? I'm keeping my SP so I can go straight for the pilot suit when they're made available, if they're made available, and if they're not nerfed straight away because as usual, assault scrubs complained that they were overpowered when we don't have a clue if they'll even have a weapon slot, nevermind if we could attach modules to them that improve either the suit or the vehicle further. so people should cripple their playstyle and dust experience to wait for their racial suits Crippling what? What are you talking about? If they're waiting for something, isn't it logical to set aside SP to get it, instead of wanting a respec to drop the thing that just got nerfed? Are you from this planet? |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:41:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released? Whose fault is it they don't have SP set aside for those suits? I'm keeping my SP so I can go straight for the pilot suit when they're made available, if they're made available, and if they're not nerfed straight away because as usual, assault scrubs complained that they were overpowered when we don't have a clue if they'll even have a weapon slot, nevermind if we could attach modules to them that improve either the suit or the vehicle further. So essentially what you're saying is that people should stop playing the game and wait for 6-8 months until all of the dropsuits are out and they can make an informed decision on which progression path they want to go. Sounds like a very healthy mindset to force on your playerbase! CCP: "Hey player base, don't play for the next 6 months while we get our art and balance assets in order!" Playerbase: "kthxbai! Time for BF4" Do you have at least 100,000 working brain cells? Are you serious? How could you even insinuate that that was what I was getting at? How could you possibly arrive at that conclusion? |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:25:00 -
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Ninjanomyx wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Is so they can reskill into the flavor of the month weapon/suit.
The TAR was the most used weapon and was mathematically proven to be on par with PRO blasters.
- It rightfully got nerfed, much to the chagrin of the forum.
The Caldari Logistic suit was proven to be by far the best suit in the game.
- It rightfully is getting nerfed, because there's little reason to use anything else.
Many are using the flaylock as the primary weapon, with another one as a secondary, or a mass driver as a secondary.
- It too, is rightfully getting nerfed, due to how overused it too is.
This is the only reason you all want a respec, so you can quickly skill into the next popular weapon/suit that 95% of the playerbase will start using right away. You don't deserve a respec, nor have you earned one. You act like selfish children. Incorrect!!!!! I am a Pilot & the Pilot Dropsuit is what I need. Also the Amaar Tank (I assume Rail Enforcer) is my Intended Path. We have NEITHER & I am stuck in a Gallente HAV w/ a Minnie Suit in the meantime. No Cal Log, no TAC AR, no Gheylock.....& all the Fatties are lookin' @ you Cross-Eyed. Try again :P So.................................. what's your argument? Is your SP frozen at its current count? Are you not able to earn more SP? You're not "stuck" in anything. We're getting more stuff, and there's not a thing stopping you, short of Tranquility melting down, that will stop you from earning enough SP to get to level 5 in whatever pilot suit you want, as well as skilling into an Amarr tank.
I don't understand what point you're trying to make. |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:26:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:The reason people want reset is they might LOVE playing minmatar suits who want to be a heavy are are being forced into playing Ammar or NOT PLAYING
How do you not understand this?
What about scouts? tank drivers? Why should I have to be froced to put unrefundable points in the caldari LAV when the 1st screenshot of the minmatar LAV was posted over a year ago? It's stupid. You were forced to put SP into something? Did CCP Devs go to your house and tell you at gunpoint, that you must put 2.8mil SP into Caldari Logi LAV? |
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CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:30:00 -
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Phantom Vaxer wrote:No, that is not the only reason why people want respecs or at least specific tree respecs. I don't want a respec any time soon nor may I need one. But the way Dust is being developed its basically a game that was taken out of Beta WAY TOO EARLY. I mean heavies only have 1 race of suits to spec in at the moment, Scouts are limited to 2 races, many skill bonuses are just placeholders for the actual skills they plan to use, other weapons in some categories are placeholders for upcoming weapons.
I don't ask for a respec to because of balance changes I see that they are needed cause of the fact CCP is lacking in content for a supposedly "launched" game when many many things are missing or just placeholders. So I see partial respecs in skill trees where the particular gear and skills were overhauled and when everyone can at least spec into 1 of the 4 races in each category; Light, Medium, Heavy. Think respecs like these would actually encourage people to play into the new roles when they come out instead of focusing on the currently accessible role till its finished.
So no I'm not a child. Its the fact that CCP has too many things missing in this hollow shooter and still has many fixes. This thing should have stayed in Beta till they at least got all the basic race suits in the game. You're getting it all for free. 99% of other Devs charge you for more content. Would you prefer CCP move to a paid-for scheme, instead of giving it to you for free? Why must they rush? If you think rushing is the way to go, you obviously haven't been gaming for very long at all, because the amount of incomplete rushed games cannot be counted. Everything from minor glitches to game-breaking bugs sometimes never get worked on, because they choose instead to work on additional content. Do you want CCP to go down that road? |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:34:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Crippling what? What are you talking about? If they're waiting for something, isn't it logical to set aside SP to get it, instead of wanting a respec to drop the thing that just got nerfed? Are you from this planet? So what's your suggestion for Heavies and Scouts? Why do I need to give you a suggestion? Is it my fault their suits are limited? Why must they spend all of their SP? What's wrong with you? |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:59:00 -
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dday3six wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:The reason people want reset is they might LOVE playing minmatar suits who want to be a heavy are are being forced into playing Ammar or NOT PLAYING
How do you not understand this?
What about scouts? tank drivers? Why should I have to be froced to put unrefundable points in the caldari LAV when the 1st screenshot of the minmatar LAV was posted over a year ago? It's stupid. You were forced to put SP into something? Did CCP Devs go to your house and tell you at gunpoint, that you must put 2.8mil SP into Caldari Logi LAV? I've come to the conclusion you don't even play Dust. Cause if you did you'd understand that a player cannot complete with Militia gear and core upgrades against other players with PRO gear. So while CCP doesn't force anyone to spend their SP, wanting to play Dust with reasonable ( READ not die to being sneezed at) results does. I've been playing Dust since you needed a beta key. |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:26:00 -
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dday3six wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:dday3six wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:The reason people want reset is they might LOVE playing minmatar suits who want to be a heavy are are being forced into playing Ammar or NOT PLAYING
How do you not understand this?
What about scouts? tank drivers? Why should I have to be froced to put unrefundable points in the caldari LAV when the 1st screenshot of the minmatar LAV was posted over a year ago? It's stupid. You were forced to put SP into something? Did CCP Devs go to your house and tell you at gunpoint, that you must put 2.8mil SP into Caldari Logi LAV? I've come to the conclusion you don't even play Dust. Cause if you did you'd understand that a player cannot complete with Militia gear and core upgrades against other players with PRO gear. So while CCP doesn't force anyone to spend their SP, wanting to play Dust with reasonable ( READ not die to being sneezed at) results does. I've been playing Dust since you needed a beta key. If that is true, and I honestly doubt it. I demand proof that you have been cleared by a medical professional to interact with the rest of society on meaningful psychological level. Cause all I've seen is poor trolling. Lol
You're from RND. 'Nuff said. Go back to protostomping Academy graduates. |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:23:00 -
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TODDSTER024 wrote:You forgot contact grenades. I have about 300k SP i wouldnt mind reasigning to cpu & pg... Still allows you to use ADV locus, AV, and flux grenades. |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:41:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Quote:You act like selfish children. ummm this a game. A game the developers of which brag about how player input shapes its design. I want players to get a respec because their play style has been nerfed and it is fair that they be allowed to choose to stick with it or try something else. I personally have never speced into Tar or cal logi or flaylock. Obviously i do not want a respec so i can run after the next OP. I have just dismantled your whole argument. Please sit down and shut up. I'll say it again, in bold, so you can hopefully understand it.
When 95% of the playerbase is using one thing, then that's the flavor of the month. I'm sure you remember just how many people were using the tactical ARs. When you have so many using one specific type of weapon, ignoring everything else, then that becomes a problem. When people show that, mathematically, the Duvolle TAR is on par with PRO blaster turret, then it's a problem. When one particular suit has so many advantages over all the others, that it's one, useless to use the others, and two, if you don't use it it puts you at such a disadvantage, then that's a problem.
What part of when everybody uses one particular thing, it's a problem, don't you understand? People are using the flaylock over the mass driver. Why? Could you figure it out? I wouldn't know from experience because I'm a pilot. But, from what I've read on here, it does around the same damage, faster fire rate, and a faster reload than the mass driver. With that being said, what reason is there to use the mass driver, when you can put a flaylock in the L slot as well, thereby having two?
The only thing you've dismantled is a building made out of Legos. It doesn't matter what you do or don't use. As yourself, you're one person among thousands. Why do you think your opinion should count above others?
You want to talk about a playstyle that got nerfed, then let's talk about vehicles. Consecutive nerfs through builds, culminating in the PG skill nerf upon Uprising deployment. Turret prices were basically doubled. Now, CCP says the rep rate is a "bug," the same repair rate and "bug" that has been in the game through multiple builds now. We asked for, and deserved a skill respec, and do you want to know why? Because they changed what the skills did without telling us, and left the old description on the skill itself. The powergrid skill for vehicles used to add 5% per level. Now it decreases CPU usage of powergrid expansion modules. That's not the same, right? Turret skills used to add 3 and 2% for operation and proficiency, respectively. Now, they add 1% per level.
The most popular hull is the Madrugar, because it offers the most fitting options and is the best bang for the buck. The most popular AV are swarms and AV grenades, because they're idiot proof and, because they're explosive weaponry, get a damage bonus against armor. A big bonus. 4 Lai Dai packed AV grenades is enough to completely destroy a Madrugar that is waiting for its modules to cool down. That's around 6,400 damage considering the damage bonus, with explosive weaponry is 120% against armor.
You wouldn't know how to destroy an argument if you've been a lawyer for 20 years. |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:04:00 -
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DRE PrEaCh wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Is so they can reskill into the flavor of the month weapon/suit.
The TAR was the most used weapon and was mathematically proven to be on par with PRO blasters.
- It rightfully got nerfed, much to the chagrin of the forum.
The Caldari Logistic suit was proven to be by far the best suit in the game.
- It rightfully is getting nerfed, because there's little reason to use anything else.
Many are using the flaylock as the primary weapon, with another one as a secondary, or a mass driver as a secondary.
- It too, is rightfully getting nerfed, due to how overused it too is.
This is the only reason you all want a respec, so you can quickly skill into the next popular weapon/suit that 95% of the playerbase will start using right away. You don't deserve a respec, nor have you earned one. You act like selfish children. are you the dust police? No, just a long-time gamer. |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:07:00 -
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Phantom Vaxer wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Phantom Vaxer wrote:No, that is not the only reason why people want respecs or at least specific tree respecs. I don't want a respec any time soon nor may I need one. But the way Dust is being developed its basically a game that was taken out of Beta WAY TOO EARLY. I mean heavies only have 1 race of suits to spec in at the moment, Scouts are limited to 2 races, many skill bonuses are just placeholders for the actual skills they plan to use, other weapons in some categories are placeholders for upcoming weapons.
I don't ask for a respec to because of balance changes I see that they are needed cause of the fact CCP is lacking in content for a supposedly "launched" game when many many things are missing or just placeholders. So I see partial respecs in skill trees where the particular gear and skills were overhauled and when everyone can at least spec into 1 of the 4 races in each category; Light, Medium, Heavy. Think respecs like these would actually encourage people to play into the new roles when they come out instead of focusing on the currently accessible role till its finished.
So no I'm not a child. Its the fact that CCP has too many things missing in this hollow shooter and still has many fixes. This thing should have stayed in Beta till they at least got all the basic race suits in the game. You're getting it all for free. 99% of other Devs charge you for more content. Would you prefer CCP move to a paid-for scheme, instead of giving it to you for free? Why must they rush? If you think rushing is the way to go, you obviously haven't been gaming for very long at all, because the amount of incomplete rushed games cannot be counted. Everything from minor glitches to game-breaking bugs sometimes never get worked on, because they choose instead to work on additional content. Do you want CCP to go down that road? Well lets see...its the fact that many other games have been released with A LOT more polish. Also really? Cause until 1.4 they've mostly just been adding new content before even working on aiming except when in April it was absolutely horrid.. Also they want this game to shine and succeed but that isn't going to work when your players just get annoyed by the lack of respecs when the game has MANY MANY things missing or just placeholders. CCP could be making themselves look A LOT better if they were still in beta. I don't have a blue tag next to my name. Take that up with them. |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.28 04:53:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Vesidar wrote:Honestly, even though I can understand why we would most likely not get a respec, it would be kinda disappointing. With one of the devs talking about the possibility of removing the turn-speed limitation on different size dropsuits and the strafing increase across the board, I probably would have majorly considered dumping my SP into something other than scouts. It feels like I'm slowly losing the small pros that I had, while simultaneously gaining nothing in return and keeping all the cons.
If they fix my suit, great, I'll be happy and not even care about the respec argument. But until they do, I'm all in favor of a respec so I can get into something that's not utterly useless and maybe actually be useful/have fun on the battlefield. Hard to make an informed decision when everything keeps changing constantly huh? but no... everyone wants you to wait, farm SP for 3-4 months and change you're specialization that way. You made a mistake specing into scouts, now you should live with the consequences of that decision. What a great game... I don't see the problem with it. Why do you see a problem with it? |
CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:15:00 -
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dday3six wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Vesidar wrote:Honestly, even though I can understand why we would most likely not get a respec, it would be kinda disappointing. With one of the devs talking about the possibility of removing the turn-speed limitation on different size dropsuits and the strafing increase across the board, I probably would have majorly considered dumping my SP into something other than scouts. It feels like I'm slowly losing the small pros that I had, while simultaneously gaining nothing in return and keeping all the cons.
If they fix my suit, great, I'll be happy and not even care about the respec argument. But until they do, I'm all in favor of a respec so I can get into something that's not utterly useless and maybe actually be useful/have fun on the battlefield. Hard to make an informed decision when everything keeps changing constantly huh? but no... everyone wants you to wait, farm SP for 3-4 months and change you're specialization that way. You made a mistake specing into scouts, now you should live with the consequences of that decision. What a great game... I don't see the problem with it. Why do you see a problem with it? How about for one because some play the game for more than just the grind. If I wanted to play Farmville, I'd play it. How about because many people, most of whom are against respec, talk about how the skill tree is designed make players live with their choices and make informed choices knowing their choices have lasting ramifications, for another. ........................... What? Maybe you should have some coffee or a Red Bull and try that again. |
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CoD isAIDS
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:25:00 -
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dday3six wrote:
If you can't understand something because I missed an 's' to make respec plural, or because I forgot to put 'to' inbetween 'designed' and 'make' the issue lies a lot more with you then with me for making minor errors.
It's because the reply doesn't agree or disagree with my first post, only goes to state something that we've figured out over a short amount of time, ie. the skill tree is designed for the long haul, what with not being able to respec our points after certain conditions are met. Believe me, it has nothing to do with my reading comprehension. I was reading mature adult books in junior high. My reading comprehension was 8th grade level when I was in 5th grade. |
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