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CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:11:00 -
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Is so they can reskill into the flavor of the month weapon/suit.
The TAR was the most used weapon and was mathematically proven to be on par with PRO blasters.
- It rightfully got nerfed, much to the chagrin of the forum.
The Caldari Logistic suit was proven to be by far the best suit in the game.
- It rightfully is getting nerfed, because there's little reason to use anything else.
Many are using the flaylock as the primary weapon, with another one as a secondary, or a mass driver as a secondary.
- It too, is rightfully getting nerfed, due to how overused it too is.
This is the only reason you all want a respec, so you can quickly skill into the next popular weapon/suit that 95% of the playerbase will start using right away. You don't deserve a respec, nor have you earned one. You act like selfish children. |
Paladin Sas
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
82
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:12:00 -
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I support this message, as brash as it may be. stop specing into the FOTM and find something you truely enjoy. it doesnt matter how crap it may be, if you love it, you will find a way to make it work for you. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1288
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:13:00 -
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Do you feel better now that you've created the 12684739th thread on "why i'm mad some people we're killing me in FOTM suits and now they should pay for it"? |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:16:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Do you feel better now that you've created the 12684739th thread on "why i'm mad some people we're killing me in FOTM suits and now they should pay for it"? I'm skilled into tanks. Your Duvolle can't hurt me.
You're probably just pissed that you can't reassign those skill points into the next flavor of the month. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1288
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:17:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Do you feel better now that you've created the 12684739th thread on "why i'm mad some people we're killing me in FOTM suits and now they should pay for it"? I'm skilled into tanks. Your Duvolle can't hurt me. You're probably just pissed that you can't reassign those skill points into the next flavor of the month.
What's the next FOTM? I'm curious.. |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
347
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:18:00 -
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Well I agree we had a respec and everyone knew the calogi was getting nerfed if you didn't skill out deal with it you were given your chance to skill out but chose not to |
Paladin Sas
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
84
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:19:00 -
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FOTM = fit of the month
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5507
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:20:00 -
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1.4 / 1.5 may be bringing in some massive changes, so if ever there was going to be a time for a respec, it could very well be then. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1288
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:22:00 -
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I think its a bit short sighted to expect we're never gonna have another one.
A respec for 1.3? I don't think anyone was/is expecting that.
But I can gaurantee that by 1.7 the dropsuits will be completely different from what we have now... a respec will be necessary at some point... as you just can't make informed and reasonable decisions atm with all of the changes going on right now. |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
94
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:24:00 -
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Paladin Sas wrote:FOTM = fit of the month
since FOTM was "flavour of the month" in any game I've played in the past 12 years thats used the acronym...ill stick with Flavour. |
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Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
347
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:33:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:I think its a bit short sighted to expect we're never gonna have another one.
A respec for 1.3? I don't think anyone was/is expecting that.
But I can gaurantee that by 1.7 the dropsuits will be completely different from what we have now... a respec will be necessary at some point... as you just can't make informed and reasonable decisions atm with all of the changes going on right now. I agree with this I'm just saying no respec till all suits are done we just had a respec and people went to the OP calogi knowing it would be nerfed |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:35:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:1.4 / 1.5 may be bringing in some massive changes, so if ever there was going to be a time for a respec, it could very well be then. No
If they're going to make massive changes to 20% of the skills, then yeah, I'd agree with an optional respec.
But why get one just to get the next OP suit/weapon? |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1288
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:37:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:I think its a bit short sighted to expect we're never gonna have another one.
A respec for 1.3? I don't think anyone was/is expecting that.
But I can gaurantee that by 1.7 the dropsuits will be completely different from what we have now... a respec will be necessary at some point... as you just can't make informed and reasonable decisions atm with all of the changes going on right now. I agree with this I'm just saying no respec till all suits are done we just had a respec and people went to the OP calogi knowing it would be nerfed
I just wish they would say.
Okay so 1.4 will have this, 1.5 will have this, 1.6 should have this and this, and 1.7 will finish it all out with this and is. 1.8 will be balance iteration 1, 1.9 iteration 2... And 1.10... Respec.
It's a long ways away but now people know they aren't locked in for life... Can throw away sp testing new suits for CCP and know they'll get it all back eventually. |
broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
47
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:41:00 -
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I think respecs should never be allowed. You should tie in to a role or an aspect of a weapon you enjoy - not because it happens to work better than other equipment at the time.
I chose Minmatar because the fluff was interesting and the suits looked totally unique. I like the emphasis on low armour, higher speed and good versatility and chose to be a logi/pilot because I like the role. They can change the game dynamics but the fundamentals never change, so why should I ever ask for a respec?
Even if they introduce race specific equipment/vehicles I wouldn't respec. So my Gallente allies have given me access to their motor pool, big whoop. |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
548
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:44:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Well I agree we had a respec and everyone knew the calogi was getting nerfed if you didn't skill out deal with it you were given your chance to skill out but chose not to How do you "skill out" of something? lol ... you mean skill into something else? |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
216
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:52:00 -
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I love when EVE nerds shout mathematics like the numbers are the be all end all of the weapons level of power
DPS is a garbage statistic right up there with KDR. Especially when you factor in that AIMING IS NOT 100%. There are multiple factors that could result in shots missing, sorry you could survive a TAC user in the open if you knew what you were doing but a PRO blaster turret will shred you especially the scatter blasters.
TTK is a better utility of a weapons effectiveness. Moreover the comparison between the PRO Blasters and the TAR was one of the most laughable comparison id seen in gaming. Honestly the spreadsheet crowd are the biggest distraction when it comes to weapon balancing, its almost as bad as that guy who runs around using the number of AR kills he see in the killfeed as the significant data point that ARs are OP based on their utility. |
BrownEye1129
SVER True Blood
23
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:02:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Do you feel better now that you've created the 12684739th thread on "why i'm mad some people we're killing me in FOTM suits and now they should pay for it"? I'm skilled into tanks. Your Duvolle can't hurt me. You're probably just pissed that you can't reassign those skill points into the next flavor of the month.
Hey now. I killed a tank with my AR today, sure it was done for but I did put a clip into it to finish it off. |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
348
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:02:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Well I agree we had a respec and everyone knew the calogi was getting nerfed if you didn't skill out deal with it you were given your chance to skill out but chose not to How do you "skill out" of something? lol ... you mean skill into something else? If you get a respec you get all of the sp back either way people know what I'm saying |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers EoN.
622
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:03:00 -
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lol I love bad players who think it's all the weapon or the suit that kills them, and not that they just suck at aiming.
The reason we want respecs is because playing one class over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again for months on end, and an incefdibly long grind to spec into something new makes the game boring. Respec so I can try new things. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:05:00 -
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MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote:I love when EVE nerds shout mathematics like the numbers are the be all end all of the weapons level of power
DPS is a garbage statistic right up there with KDR. Especially when you factor in that AIMING IS NOT 100%. There are multiple factors that could result in shots missing, sorry you could survive a TAC user in the open if you knew what you were doing but a PRO blaster turret will shred you especially the scatter blasters.
TTK is a better utility of a weapons effectiveness. Moreover the comparison between the PRO Blasters and the TAR was one of the most laughable comparison id seen in gaming. Honestly the spreadsheet crowd are the biggest distraction when it comes to weapon balancing, its almost as bad as that guy who runs around using the number of AR kills he see in the killfeed as the significant data point that ARs are OP based on their utility. I suppose you believe you know better than everyone else about what would be considered overpowered, and believe your opinion should count for more than any other person's. Attitudes like that are bad, and don't get people to respect you.
Everybody using spreadsheets and arithmetic are the best we have right now, because we don't have access to CCP's coding or the formulas they use. If you think you could do better, then by all means, prove it. |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:07:00 -
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what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released? |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:08:00 -
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Whose fault is it things get boring? Keep some SP aside to try new things.
You're supposed to specialize in something. How about you try grinding out a new character to specialize in something else, like a vehicle operator? |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1290
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:09:00 -
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The biggest problem with this game is that proto gear is only gear and it takes forever to grind for proto gear. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:09:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released? Whose fault is it they don't have SP set aside for those suits? I'm keeping my SP so I can go straight for the pilot suit when they're made available, if they're made available, and if they're not nerfed straight away because as usual, assault scrubs complained that they were overpowered when we don't have a clue if they'll even have a weapon slot, nevermind if we could attach modules to them that improve either the suit or the vehicle further. |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:15:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released? Whose fault is it they don't have SP set aside for those suits? I'm keeping my SP so I can go straight for the pilot suit when they're made available, if they're made available, and if they're not nerfed straight away because as usual, assault scrubs complained that they were overpowered when we don't have a clue if they'll even have a weapon slot, nevermind if we could attach modules to them that improve either the suit or the vehicle further. so people should cripple their playstyle and dust experience to wait for their racial suits
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Justin Tymes
Raymond James Corp
253
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:16:00 -
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I don't need a respec, but I would like to have it, since the Gallente Logisuit has been made inferior to the rest of the Logisuits with the introduction of proto Amarr having a 4th low slot. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1290
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:17:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released? Whose fault is it they don't have SP set aside for those suits? I'm keeping my SP so I can go straight for the pilot suit when they're made available, if they're made available, and if they're not nerfed straight away because as usual, assault scrubs complained that they were overpowered when we don't have a clue if they'll even have a weapon slot, nevermind if we could attach modules to them that improve either the suit or the vehicle further.
So essentially what you're saying is that people should stop playing the game and wait for 6-8 months until all of the dropsuits are out and they can make an informed decision on which progression path they want to go.
Sounds like a very healthy mindset to force on your playerbase!
CCP: "Hey player base, don't play for the next 6 months while we get our art and balance assets in order!" Playerbase: "kthxbai! Time for BF4" |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
100
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:20:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:what about the heavy's and scouts that actually want their racial suit?
do they not deserve a respec when that so called suit is released?
They said no more respecs. period. But they stated that when situations like racial dropsuits for heavys come into play, they will consider refunding those respective dropsuit skills.
And since they already did that once after changing dropsuit command to lvl 3 in order to spec into Role specific suits, I'm very optimistic on them doing it again when the new heavy and scouts suit are released.
Edit - but no, you won't get your entire SP reset, because only your dropsuits were changed. asking for a complete respec just seems greedy. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1291
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:26:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:They said no more respecs. period.
Please stop with this misinformation. They've never set no more SP refunds. They said no more SP resets.. as in resetting everyone to 500k lifetime SP. |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
100
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:29:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Duran Lex wrote:They said no more respecs. period. Please stop with this misinformation. They've never set no more SP refunds. They said no more SP resets.. as in resetting everyone to 500k lifetime SP.
Actually they did. I might try and dig it up when i have the time. |
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