Because i love the Gallente in EVE and I thought they would be just as awesome...I was sorely mistaken.

What makes a gallente a gallente isn't even in the game.

All we have is Caldari Favored ****.

Because there are no heavy suits that can shield tank.

Because i love the Gallente in EVE and I thought they would be just as awesome...I was sorely mistaken.

What makes a gallente a gallente isn't even in the game.

All we have is Caldari Favored ****.

Because I can get someone with a proto rep tool to follow me most of the game.



U Mad?

You can't rep what's being OTK'd by a grenade that the person you're repping can't dodge due to being too slow. Oh and 2 shield tankers can take down an enemy faster, and recover on their own at about the same rate as a repair tool.

armor suits have shields ya know, and the same can be said about 2 really good armor/regen tankers, no?

armor suits have shields ya know, and the same can be said about 2 really good armor/regen tankers, no?

because you can stack damage mods without losing a ton of HP and assault rifles do 20% less damage as opposed to shields

You forgot that armour can facerape with stacked damage mods.

Why did you pick armor over shields when:

* Shields have more hp
* Armor reps dont heal alot.
* Shields rep more at base
* Energizers to make it so shields rep more at a low cost of there shields. High cost of CPU
* Movement speed is hit for alot more hp
* Movement speed not hurt for 60 HP for the cost of 39PG & 14 CPU (dear god that is alot of PG)
* Armor gets +20% to ANY explosive
* Shields get -20% to ANY explosive

What armor has over shields:
* Needs a player with proto repair tool to follow them most of the game.
* Damage mods.
* Nothing
* Nothing
* Nothing

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I don't really see why I would pick armor over shields if I could pick. If you use armor, why did you pick it over shields?

Thing is we only had the assault type-II as the main assault/whatever role in chromosome and most, including myself, were used to the feel of shield tanking. It's the people who took it into their own hands to go armor this build who truly appreciate its benefits.

And flux , md , works wonders.

The problem with this argument is that MDs do 30% more damage to armor, so they're dying off slightly slower that shield tankers when fluxed. Where as outside of Flux you are at a massive disadvantage when facing a shield tanker with a MD.

Lose shields and still have armor left after eatting a flux

- OR -

Take 800 damage from eatting a Core Locus Grenade as an armor tanker.

CHOOSE WISELY!

The problem with this argument is that MDs do 30% more damage to armor, so they're dying off slightly slower that shield tankers when fluxed. Where as outside of Flux you are at a massive disadvantage when facing a shield tanker with a MD.

Because there are no heavy suits that can shield tank.

I'll have my shields eat some of that and regen 23 hps while trying to find the guy I fluxed and threw that grenade, who'll be hiding for at least 6 seconds

I have 178 shields and 486 armor on my suit. How in the hell do you eat 800 damage? lol

Well when necessary I can get 199 shields and 855 armor. I guess now I can finally fend off those pesky explosives! =P

Why don't armor plates give a flat 3% penalty? the plates should be made out of better material if they are prototype plates.

If it was just 3% players would say its OP for proto plates.

How? all Shields have 0% penalty to something. and Armor Regen is slow as hell.

Thats what people will just say if it happens. I agree with it being 3% all flat

Why not try then see how the numbers break down

Because there are no heavy suits that can shield tank.

Weeeellllll ... you *do* have quite a lot of base shield HP, as much as a lot of suits that ARE shield tanked, on top of a large armor pool. So I might disagree with you there. Does no one run 2x complex energizers, a kincat, cardiac regulator, and complex armor rep? Seems like it would be a good setup. Lack of damage mods made up for by increased survivability.

Armor has always been about large buffers and resistances and slow reps I think reps are fine at the moment because shields are supposed to be high regen

The main problem with comparing shields vs armor regen is that each dropsuit has shielding. In my proto logi suit I have 5 armor rep from racial bonus, and another 6.9 from advanced reppers for a total of 11.9 a second. Now with my shields I have 15 hp a second as well. That is a lot of total HP regen.

There is an imbalance between shields and armor and there needs to be a serious discussion on how to fix it. I'm just hoping that we hear more about this in the next dev blog =D

Why did you pick armor over shields when:

* Shields have more hp
* Armor reps dont heal alot.
* Shields rep more at base
* Energizers to make it so shields rep more at a low cost of there shields. High cost of CPU
* Movement speed is hit for alot more hp
* Movement speed not hurt for 60 HP for the cost of 39PG & 14 CPU (dear god that is alot of PG)
* Armor gets +20% to ANY explosive
* Shields get -20% to ANY explosive

What armor has over shields:
* Needs a player with proto repair tool to follow them most of the game.
* Damage mods.
* Nothing
* Nothing
* Nothing

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I don't really see why I would pick armor over shields if I could pick. If you use armor, why did you pick it over shields?

So what you're saying is that we need Drones and dropsuits shaped like deepwater fish?

Flux grenade, SR, Scrambler pistol?

I have 178 shields and 486 armor on my suit. How in the hell do you eat 800 damage? lol

Armor is only meant for logi suits.

Why did you pick armor over shields when:

* Shields have more hp
* Armor reps dont heal alot.
* Shields rep more at base
* Energizers to make it so shields rep more at a low cost of there shields. High cost of CPU
* Movement speed is hit for alot more hp
* Movement speed not hurt for 60 HP for the cost of 39PG & 14 CPU (dear god that is alot of PG)
* Armor gets +20% to ANY explosive
* Shields get -20% to ANY explosive

What armor has over shields:
* Needs a player with proto repair tool to follow them most of the game.
* Damage mods.
* Nothing
* Nothing
* Nothing

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I don't really see why I would pick armor over shields if I could pick. If you use armor, why did you pick it over shields?

Why did you pick armor over shields when:

* Shields have more hp
* Armor reps dont heal alot.
* Shields rep more at base
* Energizers to make it so shields rep more at a low cost of there shields. High cost of CPU
* Movement speed is hit for alot more hp
* Movement speed not hurt for 60 HP for the cost of 39PG & 14 CPU (dear god that is alot of PG)
* Armor gets +20% to ANY explosive
* Shields get -20% to ANY explosive

What armor has over shields:
* Needs a player with proto repair tool to follow them most of the game.
* Damage mods.
* Constant, slower repair regardless of whether damage is taken or not
* More HP for equivalent tier buffer
* Better survivability against flux grenades
* Armor gets -20% to energy/hybrid
* Shields gets +20% to energy/hybrids

+I'm seeing more and more healing hives that repair +20/+40 HP/s some even of the proto +70/s
+Armor with a little regen is a lot better at range than shield due to damage mods.
++Fighting at range means your gangk for anti shield weapons like scrambler rifle and lasers eats shield that much more
++When the new aim assist comes in you will see what these longer range weapons can do
++Fighting at range (with damage mods) means the speed penalty matters less
++Fighting at range means you won't be in as many people's LOS > can pick your fights
+HP for HP armor has much better fitting costs.
+Gank+range+scanner+gungame= awesomesauce vs. shield tanks.

If you don't know where your enemy is coming from speed matters more. If you are detecting your enemy from 50m away or through a wall when they don't see you, having the DPS edge matters more than having the eHP regen edge.

flux grenades