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GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:43:00 -
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Why did you pick armor over shields when:
* Shields have more hp
* Armor reps dont heal alot.
* Shields rep more at base
* Energizers to make it so shields rep more at a low cost of there shields. High cost of CPU
* Movement speed is hit for alot more hp
* Movement speed not hurt for 60 HP for the cost of 39PG & 14 CPU (dear god that is alot of PG)
* Armor gets +20% to ANY explosive
* Shields get -20% to ANY explosive
What armor has over shields:
* Needs a player with proto repair tool to follow them most of the game.
* Nothing
* Nothing
* Nothing
* Nothing
I don't really see why I would pick armor over shields if I could pick. If you use armor, why did you pick it over shields? |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
104
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:46:00 -
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Because there are no heavy suits that can shield tank. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
987
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:48:00 -
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Because i love the Gallente in EVE and I thought they would be just as awesome...I was sorely mistaken.
What makes a gallente a gallente isn't even in the game.
All we have is Caldari Favored ****. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1012
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:50:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Because i love the Gallente in EVE and I thought they would be just as awesome...I was sorely mistaken.
What makes a gallente a gallente isn't even in the game.
All we have is Caldari Favored ****.
So what you're saying is that we need Drones and dropsuits shaped like deepwater fish? |
GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE
84
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:51:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Because there are no heavy suits that can shield tank.
i feel your pain |
Smoky Fingers
Red Star.
EoN.
100
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:51:00 -
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Because I can get someone with a proto rep tool to follow me most of the game.
U Mad?
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GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE
84
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:52:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Because i love the Gallente in EVE and I thought they would be just as awesome...I was sorely mistaken.
What makes a gallente a gallente isn't even in the game.
All we have is Caldari Favored ****.
Im the same way on EVE. Doesn't work on dust though |
Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
32
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:02:00 -
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i suppose if your doing it right slaves to revive you and rep you + stupid amounts of damage coz you dont care about shields? |
Justin Tymes
Raymond James Corp
245
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:05:00 -
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Smoky Fingers wrote:Because I can get someone with a proto rep tool to follow me most of the game.
U Mad?
You can't rep what's being OTK'd by a grenade that the person you're repping can't dodge due to being too slow. Oh and 2 shield tankers can take down an enemy faster, and recover on their own at about the same rate as a repair tool. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3196
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:09:00 -
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Armor is better at ganking than shields will ever be. |
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GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE
84
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:27:00 -
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strongly disagree. Shields gank also |
Smoky Fingers
Red Star.
EoN.
100
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:30:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Smoky Fingers wrote:Because I can get someone with a proto rep tool to follow me most of the game.
U Mad?
You can't rep what's being OTK'd by a grenade that the person you're repping can't dodge due to being too slow. Oh and 2 shield tankers can take down an enemy faster, and recover on their own at about the same rate as a repair tool.
armor suits have shields ya know, and the same can be said about 2 really good armor/regen tankers, no?
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GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE
84
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:39:00 -
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Smoky Fingers wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Smoky Fingers wrote:Because I can get someone with a proto rep tool to follow me most of the game.
U Mad?
You can't rep what's being OTK'd by a grenade that the person you're repping can't dodge due to being too slow. Oh and 2 shield tankers can take down an enemy faster, and recover on their own at about the same rate as a repair tool. armor suits have shields ya know, and the same can be said about 2 really good armor/regen tankers, no?
150 shields. 3 highs not very logical. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
839
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:42:00 -
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because you can stack damage mods without losing a ton of HP and assault rifles do 20% less damage as opposed to shields |
Smoky Fingers
Red Star.
EoN.
100
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:46:00 -
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^^ ehh 115 for gallogis with max shields.. Honestly Armor tanking is only viable at proto logi levels, where it turns into regen tanking. I usually use those high slots for comp mods and a shield extender. My engagements shouldnt last more than three seconds unless im doing something wrong. Regen tanking is fuuun! |
Knightshade Belladonna
Neanderthal Nation
675
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:46:00 -
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600 armor , 17.5HP per sec
almost 20% dmg increase
oh and yeh.. because the only thing caldari I have trained in eve is missiles 3 or some **** and a drake with 80 mil sp
If I could, I would hull tank! ( should tell you what race I like to fly, why would I not like to walk the same )
damn pesky nades tho' |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University
Ivy League
127
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:48:00 -
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Smoky Fingers wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Smoky Fingers wrote:Because I can get someone with a proto rep tool to follow me most of the game.
U Mad?
You can't rep what's being OTK'd by a grenade that the person you're repping can't dodge due to being too slow. Oh and 2 shield tankers can take down an enemy faster, and recover on their own at about the same rate as a repair tool. armor suits have shields ya know, and the same can be said about 2 really good armor/regen tankers, no?
The armor regen tankers would have to be squishier by virtue of needing to fit more than one mod that conflicts with their buffer just to match the shield tankers rate of regen. |
Justin Tymes
Raymond James Corp
247
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:48:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:because you can stack damage mods without losing a ton of HP and assault rifles do 20% less damage as opposed to shields
Plates slow you down, so the HP gain is meh at best. Heavies melt to AR for a reason, less speed will always be inferior to higher HP. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2488
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:50:00 -
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Armor reps are increasingly more common- they're one of the top sellers!
With the number of logibros on the front lines these days, armor tanking is actually better if you stay in the pack. |
Callidus Vanus
Seraphim Auxiliaries
129
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:53:00 -
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You forgot that armour can facerape with stacked damage mods. |
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GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE
84
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:54:00 -
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Callidus Vanus wrote:You forgot that armour can facerape with stacked damage mods.
O yea forgot to put that in there. Ill put that in now |
Justin Tymes
Raymond James Corp
247
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:55:00 -
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Contact Nade, GG |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
177
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:56:00 -
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Well Armor does have some benefits even though it's not exactly balanced.
-Takes advantage of Triage nanohives
-Can be repaired by others with repair tool
-Has no delay in healing
-Can almost get a comparable repair rate as Logi
-Is -20% on lasers, shields is +20%. I know the splash sucks on explosives but the extreme range of lasers kind of balances it out.
-Entire Buffer cannot be wiped out in 1 attack usually (flux and takes 2 grenades for Armor)
-Loses nothing when dual tank, this is just because shields are better but still a slight benefit
I don't think they are EXTREMELY far apart, shields just need a real penalty and slight buff to plates and reppers. |
Smoky Fingers
Red Star.
EoN.
100
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Posted - 2013.07.26 00:02:00 -
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Thing is we only had the assault type-II as the main assault/whatever role in chromosome and most, including myself, were used to the feel of shield tanking. It's the people who took it into their own hands to go armor this build who truly appreciate its benefits.
And flux , md , works wonders. |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
147
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Posted - 2013.07.26 00:06:00 -
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when getting a nanite injector stuck in me i'd rather have a high base of armor then shield |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
836
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Posted - 2013.07.26 00:09:00 -
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GET ATMESON wrote:Why did you pick armor over shields when:
* Shields have more hp
* Armor reps dont heal alot.
* Shields rep more at base
* Energizers to make it so shields rep more at a low cost of there shields. High cost of CPU
* Movement speed is hit for alot more hp
* Movement speed not hurt for 60 HP for the cost of 39PG & 14 CPU (dear god that is alot of PG)
* Armor gets +20% to ANY explosive
* Shields get -20% to ANY explosive
What armor has over shields:
* Needs a player with proto repair tool to follow them most of the game.
* Damage mods.
* Nothing
* Nothing
* Nothing
I don't really see why I would pick armor over shields if I could pick. If you use armor, why did you pick it over shields?
Because I believe in the Holy Work of the Amarrian Empire to serve humanity as a whole by uniting them in the name of God, Empress, and to bring about a state of pure peace the likes of which have not been seen since the days of Mother Terra.
((And because Shield infantry are pussies who ***** and moan with out any real reason to.)) |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
368
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Posted - 2013.07.26 00:10:00 -
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So I can take 3 shots instead of 2 after taking a grazing hit from a flux. |
Smoky Fingers
Red Star.
EoN.
100
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Posted - 2013.07.26 00:11:00 -
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also OP put under armor impervious to flux nades |
Justin Tymes
Raymond James Corp
248
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Posted - 2013.07.26 00:12:00 -
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Smoky Fingers wrote: Thing is we only had the assault type-II as the main assault/whatever role in chromosome and most, including myself, were used to the feel of shield tanking. It's the people who took it into their own hands to go armor this build who truly appreciate its benefits.
And flux , md , works wonders.
The problem with this argument is that MDs do 30% more damage to armor, so they're dying off slightly slower that shield tankers when fluxed. Where as outside of Flux you are at a massive disadvantage when facing a shield tanker with a MD. |
Smoky Fingers
Red Star.
EoN.
100
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Posted - 2013.07.26 00:19:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Smoky Fingers wrote: Thing is we only had the assault type-II as the main assault/whatever role in chromosome and most, including myself, were used to the feel of shield tanking. It's the people who took it into their own hands to go armor this build who truly appreciate its benefits.
And flux , md , works wonders. The problem with this argument is that MDs do 30% more damage to armor, so they're dying off slightly slower that shield tankers when fluxed. Where as outside of Flux you are at a massive disadvantage when facing a shield tanker with a MD.
True and true, but that aoe is monstrous even at basic, and I dont see that many shield tankers rockin a basic armor plate or anything. Just my observation.
and this thread seems more civil than what's usually happening on these forums. GJ |
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