due to the fact that there are many threads on similar topics and that my explainations tend to be lengthy and would require alot of programming i decided to develop this series of threads called the QUICK fix series.

this series intends to use preexisting elements of the game and/or simple changes to balance out weaponry, vehicles, etc already in the game. that why it can effectively fix a problem in the short term while long term solutions are in development.

this threads topic is: HMGs

problem: damage output is low verses all the drawbacks and range.


solution: reduce the fire rate to 500 RPM, increase damage per shot to 73 per shot for STD, 75 ADV, 77 PROTO.
(the dps for the STD would be 608)


keeping dispersion, heat build up, and recoil the same. the damage profile will match the downsides while in CQC the low fire rate will prevent any buffs to the suit from overwhelming shotgunners.

Clip size ?

HMGs are okay, they insta-kill my Scout suit in CQC if I physically run into them = Insta-death

go away

I like the trying but your fixes are bad.

I'm not judging as I couldn't do it any better but let people who know their role do this in more than 5 sentences.

haha i know what happened to you. you saw "damage per shot 73" and stopped reading. if yoou look at the math, the DPS is still the same. the RPM are only 100 more than a breach AR. the numbers are swapped.
HMGs or LMGs should have a low fire rate, high damage per shot and high clip size to be balanced by its long reload, over heating, inaccuracy, and high recoil.

I really don't see a problem with the HMGs. They're currently the 3rd most killing weapon in the game after only ARs and snipers and used a hell of a lot less than either of those.

Wait. I wanna stop you here before CCP thinks they have to stop something that isn't broken.

flaylocks and nades say "HI!!"

Dont have a problem with the damage.

I personally have never been comfortable with the slow tracking/turn speed of the heavy suit, and most of my failed 1v1 gun fights are because my enemy out strafed me (or was using explosions, FP, MD or Fused Nades). When I land bullets they do well enough to drop health, its the landing of the bullets part that is holding me back from getting better with the weapon.

Ive tried the Burst Variant, and that does nicely at medium range.. but its a ***** to use in CqC with all the strafing and jumping going on.

Kneeling fixes some of the problems at medium range and can be quite useful, but it leaves you as a sitting duck.

just my $0.02

turning speed is the suit issue. the same turn speed is used for the light weapons, and side arms the heavy suit uses.

as far as DPS is concerned fire rate and damage per shot dnt matter. but in practice they make a world of diference. having high damage per shot means when you hit something chunks of hp disappear promting a retreat by the enemy.

suppresion is then accomplished. low fire rate also means your clip lasts longer.

The HMG isn't bad, it's just you. No seriously. Get gud scrub.

due to the fact that there are many threads on similar topics and that my explainations tend to be lengthy and would require alot of programming i decided to develop this series of threads called the QUICK fix series.

this series intends to use preexisting elements of the game and/or simple changes to balance out weaponry, vehicles, etc already in the game. that why it can effectively fix a problem in the short term while long term solutions are in development.

this threads topic is: HMGs

problem: damage output is low verses all the drawbacks and range.


solution: reduce the fire rate to 500 RPM, increase damage per shot to 73 per shot for STD, 75 ADV, 77 PROTO.
(the dps for the STD would be 608). reduce clip size to 200.


keeping dispersion, heat build up, and recoil the same. the damage profile will match the downsides while in CQC the low fire rate will prevent any buffs to the suit from overwhelming shotgunners.

turning speed is the suit issue. the same turn speed is used for the light weapons, and side arms the heavy suit uses.

as far as DPS is concerned fire rate and damage per shot dnt matter. but in practice they make a world of diference. having high damage per shot means when you hit something chunks of hp disappear promting a retreat by the enemy.

suppresion is then accomplished. low fire rate also means your clip lasts longer.

LAnce whats up man? so what do think about this quick fix?

Honestly? I give up. When this game start to mean something again I'll care. Hate to be the "doom and gloom" kind of person, but I'm pretty sure most people are seeing the writing on the wall.

The balancing act in this game is a joke. Regardless of how many suggestions or feedback people give.

I find it funny that the only AI weapon that heavies have shoot spitballs at the #1 suit in DUST, Caldari suits. So guess what, it take almost 300 bullets to put down a proto Cal suit with a proto HMG in CQC. It's a ******* joke.

Heavies that do good in PC play their asses off. No lie.

If you have a problem with the HMG, in Dust of all games, then you are pathetic and definitely should not try to play other first person shooters.

I don't run run heavy but I don't disagree with a few changes. Probably the best fixes would simply be improve your turning speed slightly and as far as buffing the dmg I think they should adjust the percentage of the proficiency skill to 4 or 5 percent instead of 3... however if they were to do the later it would only be fair to adjust the same on any other similarly low dmg weapons. Btw Sir Campsalot, I've ran with you and against you and regardless of the hmg/heavy needing these fixes you destroy a lot of clones bro lol.

Increase DPS over continuous fire or heat build up. Problem solved.

Or Even more simply Increase base damage back to Chromsome levels across the board.

My HMG fires one shot at about 1900dmg from 300meters......

True, just give it a slight damage buff it should be fine or just make it do basic sub machine gun damage at proto level makes sense lore wise (sounds like something the Minmatars would do, have the same bullet for multiple guns) plus yes pubs theyre good against ransoms but in pc battles they don't cut it, been in 3 battles vs sver true blood and only 2 guys in 1 game ever used an HMG and they both did horrible. 4-9 and 2-11 something to this effect.

If you really are all about dps look at the scrambler rifle
Std level 847
If its dam per clip thats gets you going, same gun 3240 still pretty good and at 60yd range or about.
Not saying nerf scrambler only supporting why a damage buff to hmg is not a ludicrous proposition.

The HMG is flawed, those of us who use it make it work. I have been a heavy for a long time so I can use it very well. The hit detection, the dispersion of the bullets will make you want to quit. I keep coming back because I love being a heavy with my HMG but alas it is a broken toy. Scouts can strafe faster than my gun can follow. If they take damage they can run faster than my bullets can travel. The shotgun has more range as well compared to my HMG. I have gone toe to toe with a scout/shotgun and have lost due to its poor design. It needs more damage out put at the moment or the heavy suit needs another high slot. I have mine at proficiency lvl 4 and at this lvl the gun should be a monster but sadly it is not. If you think I'm lying, skill into a proto heavy with a HMG similar to mine and take on any proto suit other than a heavy and see what happens. Also being an HMG user it takes more SP than an AR to skill into. So please fix this so I can do my job and actually hold a point and no a logi is not the answer. Because I will always shoot the logi first, so I can cut the life line of the other heavy.

True add that in with bad turn speed and the effects are compounded, on paper it sounds good but real life dispersion, damage of other guns, slow movement speed, giant hit box and only marginally higher HP than medium suits makes heavies a difficult class to play, I see most heavies reduced to forge DMR type roles. I think the damage would help but remember not all of the damage is ever applied, come to think of it only a relatively small percentage is ever consistently applied.
So either make it so semi consistent damage is aplied or up the damage now, where it's at best inconsistently applied.

Honestly? I give up. When this game start to mean something again I'll care. Hate to be the "doom and gloom" kind of person, but I'm pretty sure most people are seeing the writing on the wall.

The balancing act in this game is a joke. Regardless of how many suggestions or feedback people give.

I find it funny that the only AI weapon that heavies have shoot spitballs at the #1 suit in DUST, Caldari suits. So guess what, it take almost 300 bullets to put down a proto Cal suit with a proto HMG in CQC. It's a ******* joke.

Heavies that do good in PC play their asses off. No lie.

You know what, Im just gonna say it. We need our B-Series back.. I think I would like...
1100 Shields, 400 armor, 5/8 recharge delay.
Holler.

Your fix won't do crap but ruin the gun even worse. They need to completely remove all turn caps and it'll be perfect.

Here are some quick points regarding PC battles.

Your enemy will flood the field with shield tanked suits.
HMGs are very weak against shields
It takes 1 second before the HMG reaches optimal dispersion, meaning it takes 1 second before the bullets fire straight.
Your enemy in PC is among the most skilled in the game, they will not stand still for you.
Explosions are everywhere (flaylocks, MD, fused grenades)... as a Heavy you do not have the luxury to stand still to fire your weapon to its maximum effectivness.
You are slow, the chicken that cannot cross the road, easy to sneak up on, large hitbox, big head for crits, etc, etc, etc.

So basically what D Hero is suggesting only I say make it a different racial weapon and keep the HMG a high rof low damage gun. 2 guns exactly opposite

Lance has spoken. need i say anymore? if one of the best heavies in dust says it... there can be no refuting it.

No, it just goes to show how bad some of you are at this game. The HMG doesn't require any further changes, the only acceptable thing to implement would be a breach variant. Now do us all a favor and quit complaining about something that is working right.

P.S. I play solo so no, I never get carried, it's actually quite the opposite.

No, it just goes to show how bad some of you are at this game. The HMG doesn't require any further changes, the only acceptable thing to implement would be a breach variant. Now do us all a favor and quit complaining about something that is working right.

P.S. I play solo so no, I never get carried, it's actually quite the opposite.

Yeah I gave in and made a proto caldari logi on an alt and have a sick K/D with him. Run him with 1000hp at pretty good speed with a duvolle and is wonderful I can move way faster, have about the same health, and guess what I have a nice shield buffer so those explosions don't mess me up.

I think it's damage would have been fine with a 1m radius, because if you can get that close and do it consistently you deserve the +50. Skill should be rewarded.

due to the fact that there are many threads on similar topics and that my explainations tend to be lengthy and would require alot of programming i decided to develop this series of threads called the QUICK fix series.

this series intends to use preexisting elements of the game and/or simple changes to balance out weaponry, vehicles, etc already in the game. that why it can effectively fix a problem in the short term while long term solutions are in development.

this threads topic is: HMGs

problem: damage output is low verses all the drawbacks and range.


solution: reduce the fire rate to 500 RPM, increase damage per shot to 73 per shot for STD, 75 ADV, 77 PROTO.
(the dps for the STD would be 608). reduce clip size to 200.


keeping dispersion, heat build up, and recoil the same. the damage profile will match the downsides while in CQC the low fire rate will prevent any buffs to the suit from overwhelming shotgunners.

Wow, (cant believe theyd say that)well if they made it a light weapon you could only have 1 lol.

lol dude stop.

HMGs are fine.

Mass Drivers are fine. HMGs are fine. The only thing that is a pain in the ass right now is the gaylock.

The duvolle such a sick ass weapon absolutely hated it till I used it. More than ever do I see its ludicrous power. It's hard going back to the HMG. The HMG on the other hand has the most satisfying firing sound. So it's a toss up between super ultimate killing machine or that gun that looks and sounds bad ass but shoots rainbows and butterfly's.

The duvolle such a sick ass weapon absolutely hated it till I used it. More than ever do I see its ludicrous power. It's hard going back to the HMG. The HMG on the other hand has the most satisfying firing sound. So it's a toss up between super ultimate killing machine or that gun that looks and sounds bad ass but shoots rainbows and butterfly's.

HMGs are dead...

due to the fact that there are many threads on similar topics and that my explainations tend to be lengthy and would require alot of programming i decided to develop this series of threads called the QUICK fix series.

this series intends to use preexisting elements of the game and/or simple changes to balance out weaponry, vehicles, etc already in the game. that why it can effectively fix a problem in the short term while long term solutions are in development.

this threads topic is: HMGs

problem: damage output is low verses all the drawbacks and range.


solution: reduce the fire rate to 500 RPM, increase damage per shot to 73 per shot for STD, 75 ADV, 77 PROTO.
(the dps for the STD would be 608). reduce clip size to 200.


keeping dispersion, heat build up, and recoil the same. the damage profile will match the downsides while in CQC the low fire rate will prevent any buffs to the suit from overwhelming shotgunners.

its good to see you still got the spirit...

The HMG is the only weapon that i really like in this game

im just upset its not working as intended. my suit dies just as fast as assaults, and my HMG is less effective than an assault. so i might as well use an assault.

its only alf useful in CQC verses assaults, but beyong 4m its useless.

to get kills with the HMG you must be better than your opponents skill wise. which is why every heavy that goes positive during a match is a good heavy.

I really don't see a problem with the HMGs. They're currently the 3rd most killing weapon in the game after only ARs and snipers and used a hell of a lot less than either of those.