I know how you feel.

I can't for the life of me understand why CCP have implemented it the way they have. Its almost as if they don't want us to care about it.

They should make us commit to a faction (by joining an NPC faction war corp and/or having player corps sign up for factions), rather than let us pick a different faction each battle.

There should be a leaderboard for factions so we have something to root for. How are the factions doing against each other, and who are the top corps/players in each faction. Also, how many different players have fought for each faction over the last week.

And they could introduce a handicap system: the more a faction wins, the higher its handicap gets. The handicap translates into things like lower MCC health or less clones. This makes it self balancing, with each faction tending to win 50% of its battles over time, but allow factions to brag about who has the highest handicap.

I don't play FW battles because my character doesn't want to. Roleplaying ftw \o/

From what my corp mates tell me what we do on the ground in FW does make a considerable difference to the pilots in EVE, but we have no way of noticing this and it really means nothing to us.

From what my corp mates tell me what we do on the ground in FW does make a considerable difference to the pilots in EVE, but we have no way of noticing this and it really means nothing to us.

You should sack your advisers CCP.

Can you expand on that a bit please. I'm curious as to how this works (how it affects EVE).

We are also considering how we could allow full team vs team in FW again, a bit like the old corp battles but without the hassle and planning (and no shows).

We agree, we want FW to more visible, unique from instant battle and more rewarding for those invested in it. The answer to why it isn't like that now is we just havn't gotten to it yet. FoxFour has a big design documented written up about how it should all work though so we will hopefully get to put that plan into action in an upcoming release.

Provided we can implement a suitable method for dealing with griefers, what do you guys think about enabling friendly fire for faction warfare? We are also considering how we could allow full team vs team in FW again, a bit like the old corp battles but without the hassle and planning (and no shows).

We agree, we want FW to more visible, unique from instant battle and more rewarding for those invested in it. The answer to why it isn't like that now is we just havn't gotten to it yet. FoxFour has a big design documented written up about how it should all work though so we will hopefully get to put that plan into action in an upcoming release.

Provided we can implement a suitable method for dealing with griefers, what do you guys think about enabling friendly fire for faction warfare? We are also considering how we could allow full team vs team in FW again, a bit like the old corp battles but without the hassle and planning (and no shows).

We agree, we want FW to more visible, unique from instant battle and more rewarding for those invested in it. The answer to why it isn't like that now is we just havn't gotten to it yet. FoxFour has a big design documented written up about how it should all work though so we will hopefully get to put that plan into action in an upcoming release.

Provided we can implement a suitable method for dealing with griefers, what do you guys think about enabling friendly fire for faction warfare? We are also considering how we could allow full team vs team in FW again, a bit like the old corp battles but without the hassle and planning (and no shows).

We agree, we want FW to more visible, unique from instant battle and more rewarding for those invested in it. The answer to why it isn't like that now is we just havn't gotten to it yet. FoxFour has a big design documented written up about how it should all work though so we will hopefully get to put that plan into action in an upcoming release.

Provided we can implement a suitable method for dealing with griefers, what do you guys think about enabling friendly fire for faction warfare? We are also considering how we could allow full team vs team in FW again, a bit like the old corp battles but without the hassle and planning (and no shows).

Provided we can implement a suitable method for dealing with griefers, what do you guys think about enabling friendly fire for faction warfare? We are also considering how we could allow full team vs team in FW again, a bit like the old corp battles but without the hassle and planning (and no shows).

We agree, we want FW to more visible, unique from instant battle and more rewarding for those invested in it. The answer to why it isn't like that now is we just havn't gotten to it yet. FoxFour has a big design documented written up about how it should all work though so we will hopefully get to put that plan into action in an upcoming release.

Provided we can implement a suitable method for dealing with griefers, what do you guys think about enabling friendly fire for faction warfare? We are also considering how we could allow full team vs team in FW again, a bit like the old corp battles but without the hassle and planning (and no shows).

Oh my god, blue tagged. I knew it would happen to one of my threads eventually :P

Friendly Fire would be interesting but I don't see many solutions to dealing with griefers, unless doing it so many times got you banned from that factions side for a period of time. Example, I join Gallente and keep running over my guys, I am deactivated and I get a mail indicating that I'm not allowed to join for so long, with each offense being longer I s'pose?

The FW battles need an AFK system where those who aren't near a point or gaining WP will receive a warning and then get kicked, once that's sorted then rewards need to be upped, I've heard about things such as "LP" I think? This may help a lot creating an additional reason to playing.

Last for me, personally, would be some kind of visual aspect indicating that stuff is going on in the universe, would make things interesting and at least would let us know we're doing something that has an effect in New Eden.

We agree, we want FW to more visible, unique from instant battle and more rewarding for those invested in it. The answer to why it isn't like that now is we just havn't gotten to it yet. FoxFour has a big design documented written up about how it should all work though so we will hopefully get to put that plan into action in an upcoming release.

Provided we can implement a suitable method for dealing with griefers, what do you guys think about enabling friendly fire for faction warfare? We are also considering how we could allow full team vs team in FW again, a bit like the old corp battles but without the hassle and planning (and no shows).

This is directed at all of CCP, not just you Nullabor: This is exactly the problem with how CCP goes about communication. The community presents an issue, then instead of you responding with your ideas you're tossing around to fix the issue you simply tell us that you've been discussing ideas. That's nice and all but it leaves us feeling just as hopeless as we did before you reply. Why not tell us what the ideas actually are? Whats in the document FoxFour has made? If you told us then we'd be able to give you feedback now instead of waiting until the future release and then realizing there's something wrong with it and needing to wait another few months before that can be fixed.

End rant.


As for methods with dealing with griefers, adding friendly fire is not the way to go with that. It only opens up the doors to griefers. Friendly fire on orbital strikes would work though, since even if a griefer wanted to teamkill with an orbital strike he'd have to first form a squad and get the warpoints which would be helping the team. A good way for dealing with the griefers on the other hand is simple, allow teams to vote to kick someone out of the match. If someone is AFK farming or any other form of sabotage then he'd be quickly kicked out of the match by the team.

We agree, we want FW to more visible, unique from instant battle and more rewarding for those invested in it. The answer to why it isn't like that now is we just havn't gotten to it yet. FoxFour has a big design documented written up about how it should all work though so we will hopefully get to put that plan into action in an upcoming release.

Provided we can implement a suitable method for dealing with griefers, what do you guys think about enabling friendly fire for faction warfare? We are also considering how we could allow full team vs team in FW again, a bit like the old corp battles but without the hassle and planning (and no shows).

I gave you 2 ideas from that document in my post? I'm also reading this thread for feedback on them.

We are busy working on a release at the moment that does not cover these changes in FW though so we're not ready to take a deep dive into the details yet. I will let you know when we do though, and I have no doubt FoxFour will write massive dev blogs about it as well.

We agree, we want FW to more visible, unique from instant battle and more rewarding for those invested in it. The answer to why it isn't like that now is we just havn't gotten to it yet. FoxFour has a big design documented written up about how it should all work though so we will hopefully get to put that plan into action in an upcoming release.

Provided we can implement a suitable method for dealing with griefers, what do you guys think about enabling friendly fire for faction warfare? We are also considering how we could allow full team vs team in FW again, a bit like the old corp battles but without the hassle and planning (and no shows).

Do you play PC then?

Because if you don't play FW or PC you essentially aren't even involved in the EVE universe whatsoever since instant battles are all fake and not really happening nor effecting anything in the single-shard universe. If you're fine with that then great, but for many people that is the whole point of the game.

I totally just want the salvage system for PC bein thrown into FW, would love to pull out proto gear to kill other protos to take thier stuff, and even militia gear dudes would love it when the enemy used protos, itd give people an incentive to kill protos. rather than right now in pubs offering no incentive but getting stomped :L

When someone pulls out that super expensive tank just imagine all the people who would divert their attention on it, if not in hopes for acquiring the tank in salvage but profits from selling the tank.

Provided we can implement a suitable method for dealing with griefers, what do you guys think about enabling friendly fire for faction warfare? We are also considering how we could allow full team vs team in FW again, a bit like the old corp battles but without the hassle and planning (and no shows).