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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:

I totally just want the salvage system for PC bein thrown into FW, would love to pull out proto gear to kill other protos to take thier stuff, and even militia gear dudes would love it when the enemy used protos, itd give people an incentive to kill protos. rather than right now in pubs offering no incentive but getting stomped :L

When someone pulls out that super expensive tank just imagine all the people who would divert their attention on it, if not in hopes for acquiring the tank in salvage but profits from selling the tank.

F*** YA. THIS AND PLAYER MARKET ASAP PLS.

It'd still be dodging the issue of making the results of FW actually matter to Dust players, but it would sure as hell give us a reason to want to play FW over instant battle.

The problem would then be the low amount of FW battles that are spawned. Either increase the amount spawned from plexing or allow us to initiate battles ourselves and let EVE players follow us and plex there, make it a two way street.

How about the chances of salvaging enemy equipment we killed being based of Factional loyalty? Say a base 10 percent salvage for killing when you arent loyal, to 50 % after you've played a buttload of matches and have maxed loyalty points?
Just throwin those numbers out there for explanation, of course CCP would take care of the specifics


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Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 654	Posted - 2013.07.20 10:48:00 - [1] - Quote From what my corp mates tell me what we do on the ground in FW does make a considerable difference to the pilots in EVE, but we have no way of noticing this and it really means nothing to us.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 654	Posted - 2013.07.20 10:54:00 - [2] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: I don't play FW battles because my character doesn't want to. Roleplaying ftw \o/ Do you play PC then? Because if you don't play FW or PC you essentially aren't even involved in the EVE universe whatsoever since instant battles are all fake and not really happening nor effecting anything in the single-shard universe. If you're fine with that then great, but for many people that is the whole point of the game.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 656	Posted - 2013.07.20 12:46:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: We agree, we want FW to more visible, unique from instant battle and more rewarding for those invested in it. The answer to why it isn't like that now is we just havn't gotten to it yet. FoxFour has a big design documented written up about how it should all work though so we will hopefully get to put that plan into action in an upcoming release. Provided we can implement a suitable method for dealing with griefers, what do you guys think about enabling friendly fire for faction warfare? We are also considering how we could allow full team vs team in FW again, a bit like the old corp battles but without the hassle and planning (and no shows). This is directed at all of CCP, not just you Nullabor: This is exactly the problem with how CCP goes about communication. The community presents an issue, then instead of you responding with your ideas you're tossing around to fix the issue you simply tell us that you've been discussing ideas. That's nice and all but it leaves us feeling just as hopeless as we did before you reply. Why not tell us what the ideas actually are? Whats in the document FoxFour has made? If you told us then we'd be able to give you feedback now instead of waiting until the future release and then realizing there's something wrong with it and needing to wait another few months before that can be fixed. End rant. As for methods with dealing with griefers, adding friendly fire is not the way to go with that. It only opens up the doors to griefers. Friendly fire on orbital strikes would work though, since even if a griefer wanted to teamkill with an orbital strike he'd have to first form a squad and get the warpoints which would be helping the team. A good way for dealing with the griefers on the other hand is simple, allow teams to vote to kick someone out of the match. If someone is AFK farming or any other form of sabotage then he'd be quickly kicked out of the match by the team.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 657	Posted - 2013.07.20 12:55:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: I gave you 2 ideas from that document in my post? I'm also reading this thread for feedback on them. We are busy working on a release at the moment that does not cover these changes in FW though so we're not ready to take a deep dive into the details yet. I will let you know when we do though, and I have no doubt FoxFour will write massive dev blogs about it as well. The 2 ideas did not however go over anything that would make the FW battles results matter for Dust players, which is the topic at hand. I do appreciate the ideas and the feedback nonetheless. I'm not so much attacking you and CCP (I'll end up supporting you for better or worse for years to come), it's more of a matter of players wanting as much info as possible. Granted these changes aren't scheduled for another few updates, but it would still be nice to know what is being discussed as possible fixes.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 657	Posted - 2013.07.20 13:07:00 - [5] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: I totally just want the salvage system for PC bein thrown into FW, would love to pull out proto gear to kill other protos to take thier stuff, and even militia gear dudes would love it when the enemy used protos, itd give people an incentive to kill protos. rather than right now in pubs offering no incentive but getting stomped :L When someone pulls out that super expensive tank just imagine all the people who would divert their attention on it, if not in hopes for acquiring the tank in salvage but profits from selling the tank.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 658	Posted - 2013.07.20 13:18:00 - [6] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: I totally just want the salvage system for PC bein thrown into FW, would love to pull out proto gear to kill other protos to take thier stuff, and even militia gear dudes would love it when the enemy used protos, itd give people an incentive to kill protos. rather than right now in pubs offering no incentive but getting stomped :L When someone pulls out that super expensive tank just imagine all the people who would divert their attention on it, if not in hopes for acquiring the tank in salvage but profits from selling the tank. F*** YA. THIS AND PLAYER MARKET ASAP PLS. It'd still be dodging the issue of making the results of FW actually matter to Dust players, but it would sure as hell give us a reason to want to play FW over instant battle. The problem would then be the low amount of FW battles that are spawned. Either increase the amount spawned from plexing or allow us to initiate battles ourselves and let EVE players follow us and plex there, make it a two way street.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 658	Posted - 2013.07.20 13:27:00 - [7] - Quote Queen of Uranus wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: I totally just want the salvage system for PC bein thrown into FW, would love to pull out proto gear to kill other protos to take thier stuff, and even militia gear dudes would love it when the enemy used protos, itd give people an incentive to kill protos. rather than right now in pubs offering no incentive but getting stomped :L When someone pulls out that super expensive tank just imagine all the people who would divert their attention on it, if not in hopes for acquiring the tank in salvage but profits from selling the tank. F*** YA. THIS AND PLAYER MARKET ASAP PLS. If tanks didn't get destroyed but instead moved on to who destroyed it, everyone and their mother would be swimming in tanks. (ie no reason to buy them) That's not what is being suggested though. Rather if the tank is destroyed then there is a (small) chance it could be given to someone on your team (not necessarily the guy who destroyed it) as salvage. It would still give players a bigger incentive to go after it (hope is a powerful thing) but it wouldn't make buying tanks redundant.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 658	Posted - 2013.07.20 13:36:00 - [8] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: I totally just want the salvage system for PC bein thrown into FW, would love to pull out proto gear to kill other protos to take thier stuff, and even militia gear dudes would love it when the enemy used protos, itd give people an incentive to kill protos. rather than right now in pubs offering no incentive but getting stomped :L When someone pulls out that super expensive tank just imagine all the people who would divert their attention on it, if not in hopes for acquiring the tank in salvage but profits from selling the tank. F*** YA. THIS AND PLAYER MARKET ASAP PLS. It'd still be dodging the issue of making the results of FW actually matter to Dust players, but it would sure as hell give us a reason to want to play FW over instant battle. The problem would then be the low amount of FW battles that are spawned. Either increase the amount spawned from plexing or allow us to initiate battles ourselves and let EVE players follow us and plex there, make it a two way street. How about the chances of salvaging enemy equipment we killed being based of Factional loyalty? Say a base 10 percent salvage for killing when you arent loyal, to 50 % after you've played a buttload of matches and have maxed loyalty points? Just throwin those numbers out there for explanation, of course CCP would take care of the specifics I'm not sure about your numbers, but I do like the concept here. It would make sense too, the factions go through the salvage at the end cleaning up and dish it out to those most loyal. Perhaps also add a higher chance if your team actually wins. If we did go with your numbers though, FW would give out a ton of ISK in goods which would mean people would be more willing to use their most expensive fits which would result it in being a very very competitive environment.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 660	Posted - 2013.07.20 14:04:00 - [9] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Vet: "Oh you dont wanna fight for caldari bro, Not Guilty f*s up fighting for Gallente" Newbro: "F* dat i'll killem and take thier sh**!" everybody wins :d It would really help get a lot of people involved with picking a side. Even if they have something else planned, I really want this in as well.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 668	Posted - 2013.07.20 15:24:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: I play FW and pretend it matters because it makes the game more interesting. Anyone else? Yes sir that is what I do. Amarr Victor, bring the light of God to the heathens, and ensure that the immortal souls of man are steered to the right path. Also as a partial EVE pilot I can also see the scope of FW just by flying around Devoid.... it would help if all dust mercs could see that. There was a PIE Tour held by our alliance which was basically like a pilgrimage around imperial space with a tour guide. I remember seeing it in the chat channels and wishing so badly I could tag along in someone's ship and just look out the window. Of course that's not the only way for Dust mercs to see the scope, but just saying it would be cool. They already said they plan on implementing streaming between games for the battle arena sports betting thing, so why not this as well?

Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 683	Posted - 2013.07.21 11:42:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Garth Mandra wrote: Make winning matter. Give the winning team double the isk rewards and give the losers half (or something like that). Friendly fire would be awesome, although it has issues... PCesque salvage system would also be good. Thing about FW is that you aren't just supposed to care about winning. You are supposed to care about winning FOR YOUR FACTION. And what happens in the off chance that your faction gains 100% control of it's regions?