Yes at the moment there is no "real" differance with FW except a different matchmaking... which commonally leads to full squads coming up against newbros.

FW needs an incentive, i dont think restricting the suits we can use through loyalty points is a good idea... a loyalty store where you can get faction mod's perhaps? or reduced faction suits...? tho i would say anything like that would have to wait for an open market.

Why would it have to wait for an Open market? How are sutis like that dependant on an open market in any way? Sure.... people who don't want to participate in FW would be dependant on a market if they wanted to circumvent the loyalty thing, but its not a necessity. AS for the "suit selection" i think this would be a good place to put those "regulated" matches people wanted in. You can even push it into the games lore by saying the "empires wanted you to wear their colors" or some other nonsense. If you want to fight people using your specialized gear, go do it in pub matches or corp matches. Having regulated gear in at-least one place would allow for those whom are less fortunate to play on "even" terms. Besides...... why would a caldari suit be fighting on the side of the gallente? That just doesn't make any sense...... (yeah yeah, clones whatever, im just sayin)

Il argue with you in a bit i need to go get some milk...

Standings are actually something we are looking at. We have a design rolling around for improvements to FW that involves them.

I am personally not a fan of loyalty points for a couple reasons; that doesn't mean they won't ever happen just a lot of discussion will have to happen first. They are another currency to keep track of, actually it would be 4 more currencies. It means we need equipment/weapons/dropsuits/whatever for all the races but they also need to be different so as to give reason to pick different faction but also balanced. There are lots of other reasons. That all being said there are also reasons for it, so down the road once we have a well set scheme for adding new items and player trading I can see us adding loyalty points.

Being given a certain selection of fittings will not happen. Our game is built on the idea of players consuming items. That and when you put all this time and effort into building custom fits, skilling into specific fits, and all that sort of stuff going into a more advanced game mode and being told you are limited to specific fits that you didn't create... that isn't so fun.

Good stuff though and thanks for sharing! :D

Standings are actually something we are looking at. We have a design rolling around for improvements to FW that involves them.

I am personally not a fan of loyalty points for a couple reasons; that doesn't mean they won't ever happen just a lot of discussion will have to happen first. They are another currency to keep track of, actually it would be 4 more currencies. It means we need equipment/weapons/dropsuits/whatever for all the races but they also need to be different so as to give reason to pick different faction but also balanced. There are lots of other reasons. That all being said there are also reasons for it, so down the road once we have a well set scheme for adding new items and player trading I can see us adding loyalty points.

Being given a certain selection of fittings will not happen. Our game is built on the idea of players consuming items. That and when you put all this time and effort into building custom fits, skilling into specific fits, and all that sort of stuff going into a more advanced game mode and being told you are limited to specific fits that you didn't create... that isn't so fun.

Good stuff though and thanks for sharing! :D

Standings are actually something we are looking at. We have a design rolling around for improvements to FW that involves them.

I am personally not a fan of loyalty points for a couple reasons; that doesn't mean they won't ever happen just a lot of discussion will have to happen first. They are another currency to keep track of, actually it would be 4 more currencies. It means we need equipment/weapons/dropsuits/whatever for all the races but they also need to be different so as to give reason to pick different faction but also balanced. There are lots of other reasons. That all being said there are also reasons for it, so down the road once we have a well set scheme for adding new items and player trading I can see us adding loyalty points.

Being given a certain selection of fittings will not happen. Our game is built on the idea of players consuming items. That and when you put all this time and effort into building custom fits, skilling into specific fits, and all that sort of stuff going into a more advanced game mode and being told you are limited to specific fits that you didn't create... that isn't so fun.

Good stuff though and thanks for sharing! :D

Why would it have to be four specific currencies and not just a general currency; Faction Points? It could be one, universal currency used for whatever faction you want to focus on while your race would offer a racial bonus to your race's faction (toward points, 5-10%), assuming you fight on their side. Otherwise, you could use the currency to unlock whatever you like but you would only get to choose two different factions to use the points on. Once those factions are unlocked, there's no going back.

Why would it have to be four specific currencies and not just a general currency; Faction Points?

I like the idea of standings ( as opposed to LP). Build up standings, unlock things in faction specific shops depending on your standing.

As for, "forces the player to fight for a faction they may not like to get the gear they want"....

Well, if the factions have different rewards, that'll be an issue regardless. I wouldn't expect high standing with the Amarr to reward you with Caldari headscarves anyhow.

The whole point of loyalty points is they are awarded for being loyal to a specific faction. So you fight for Gallente you get Gallente LP. At least that is what LP is in EVE and what I assumed the OP thought of. If there is just a standard LP and you get it for fighting for any side in FW what is the point of fighting for specific sides?

This part. "Editing to add; once you unlock a faction, fighting on the opposing side would not gain you any faction points whatsoever."

Standings are actually something we are looking at. We have a design rolling around for improvements to FW that involves them.

I am personally not a fan of loyalty points for a couple reasons; that doesn't mean they won't ever happen just a lot of discussion will have to happen first. They are another currency to keep track of, actually it would be 4 more currencies. It means we need equipment/weapons/dropsuits/whatever for all the races but they also need to be different so as to give reason to pick different faction but also balanced. There are lots of other reasons. That all being said there are also reasons for it, so down the road once we have a well set scheme for adding new items and player trading I can see us adding loyalty points.

Being given a certain selection of fittings will not happen. Our game is built on the idea of players consuming items. That and when you put all this time and effort into building custom fits, skilling into specific fits, and all that sort of stuff going into a more advanced game mode and being told you are limited to specific fits that you didn't create... that isn't so fun.

Good stuff though and thanks for sharing! :D

So you are suggesting picking a side in advance and only ever fighting for that side? What about if your friends picked a different faction and you want to play with them?

So you are suggesting picking a side in advance and only ever fighting for that side? What about if your friends picked a different faction and you want to play with them?

Would make it so that loyalty Meant nothing as you could attain the points from fighting for anyone. Racial bonuses are badbecause it basically forces the player to fight for a faction they may not like to get the gear they want.

THAT HOW IT WORKS. why don't people get that.... you aren't supposed to really be able to run Minmatar one day and then Amarr the next....it defeats the purpose of LOYALTY to your chosen faction....

Essentially I only even play dust for FW.... without a reason/ reward for being aligned to one faction and showing loyalty why do I even both.

I love fighting for the Amarr..... but there is nothing more than my enthusiasm that is holding me to that....and some days I can't even find that enough to play this game....

Last thing I want to see is some Minmatar tool running around with a factionalised Amarrian laser rifle.... shows that that player was not only disloyal but only involved themselves in FW to get gear rather than even caring about the reasons for fighting.

THAT HOW IT WORKS. why don't people get that.... you aren't supposed to really be able to run Minmatar one day and then Amarr the next....it defeats the purpose of LOYALTY to your chosen faction....

Essentially I only even play dust for FW.... without a reason/ reward for being aligned to one faction and showing loyalty why do I even both.

I love fighting for the Amarr..... but there is nothing more than my enthusiasm that is holding me to that....and some days I can't even find that enough to play this game....

Last thing I want to see is some Minmatar tool running around with a factionalised Amarrian laser rifle.... shows that that player was not only disloyal but only involved themselves in FW to get gear rather than even caring about the reasons for fighting.

Razor, in defense of Adamance he appeared to be responding more towards Aeon who was suggesting someone may want to fight for a faction but not like the gear they give out as rewards, which is a bit defeating the purpose if you ask me.

As for your suggestion, it wouldn't make sense to have one single currency called "Faction Points." Why would one faction reward you with points and then you can spend them on another faction? And why would you be forced to selecting two factions to spend the points on and being locked forever? That would go against the idea that we are mercenaries and can change our allegiance if we so desire.

Standings are actually something we are looking at. We have a design rolling around for improvements to FW that involves them.

I am personally not a fan of loyalty points for a couple reasons; that doesn't mean they won't ever happen just a lot of discussion will have to happen first. They are another currency to keep track of, actually it would be 4 more currencies. It means we need equipment/weapons/dropsuits/whatever for all the races but they also need to be different so as to give reason to pick different faction but also balanced. There are lots of other reasons. That all being said there are also reasons for it, so down the road once we have a well set scheme for adding new items and player trading I can see us adding loyalty points.

Being given a certain selection of fittings will not happen. Our game is built on the idea of players consuming items. That and when you put all this time and effort into building custom fits, skilling into specific fits, and all that sort of stuff going into a more advanced game mode and being told you are limited to specific fits that you didn't create... that isn't so fun.

Good stuff though and thanks for sharing! :D

I picture standings being like:

Fight a battle for the AMARR=

Standings shift:

Amarr +5
Minmatar -5

or

Amarr +5
Caldari +1
Minmatar -5
Gallente -1

If you decide to change factions somewhere down the road, you'd have to dig yourself out if you were going Minmatar from Amarr. This is appropriate for a system predicated on "Loyalty".

Standings unlock faction-related gear.

On the low end, basic armaments, like 100 Amarr standing = slightly improved militia variants (Royal Surplus Medium Frame, Royal Surplus Heavy Frame, Royal Surplus Scrambler pistol, etc.). These are priced in ISK.

Higher tiers unlock improved versions, and more expensive types of gear. STD guns/suits might be unlocked at the same time as faction militia vehicles. BPO items (priced in AUR) are also unlocked past the regular tier, so you might be at ADV level standing-wise before you can buy a special faction-variant of a STD dropsuit or weapon (similar to an Exile or Raven suit).

It's important that faction rewards actually be unique. The recruit assault rifle is a good example - it's actually different from the militia weapon it's copying (higher damage). Even minor improvements like that can be a good incentive.