Keep splash damage at 1m across all models.

Done.

Clearly you haven't used the standard flaylock...else you wouldn't make game breaking suggestions like this.

Give it a rest. You're the only person on these forums who doesn't think the weapon is OP. All other conversations are on how best to nerf it.

Fact is, the majority of whiners simply seem to suck at the game who don't have enough brain cells to come up with counters. Not only that, they also double down by making stupid suggestions like changing the splash range to 1m

Give it a rest. You're the only person on these forums who doesn't think the weapon is OP. All other conversations are on how best to nerf it.

He's talking the truth, the Flaylock is fine, the Mass Driver kills me alot more often, but neither is OP. 2m of Splash damage is NOTHING. The splash damage in this entire game is pathetic, if anything, buff splash damage on all explosives.

make it av

Except some people look at overall stats and the state of the game, particularly in the top end matches.

How often a pubbie gets killed in a pub match by ANY weapon is NOT a good indication of balance. Except LAVs. Because **** LAVs.

OMFG he just said buff splash damage on explosives.

I'm out.

stay out

Hmm, the top corps must really suck at this game since they all seem to use the flaylock so much

Ohhhhh, you meant counter the flaylock WITH the flaylock.

My bad. Brilliance.

Keep the splash radius the same, but drastically lower its splash damage and increase the projectile speed. Bam. Requires skill to use, but can still be used as a suppressive weapon or used to mop up wounded enemies.

A balance suggestion is just that, a suggestion, quit getting so bent out of shape; you act like we're shooting you with a flaylock or something.

R'adeh Hunt we're still waiting on your "research"...

No, I didn't say "counter the flaylock with the flaylock"...there are plenty of counters available if you just switch on your brain. I posted plenty of counters in the other thread, but I guess actually having to think is harder than to whine on the forums

Your "counters" always revert to namecalling...it seems you are just trying to avoid to finally prove your point, but don't worry I can be patient.

This.
The Flaylock is short range weapon, if you get up close with a shotgun and it kills you in one hit, is that OP? Take them out from a distance and stop being such a bad player.

Shotgun is a light weapon
Shotgun requires speed to get up close quickly
Shotguns don't deal damage when you miss
Shotguns have significantly longer reload
Shotguns suffer much more from hit detection

These arguments are mostly pointless because the majority of Flaylock defenders lack the ability to see that it's a SIDEARM, and that it is significantly easier to use effectively than SMGs, Scrambler Pistols, or Nova Knives.

Shotgun is a light weapon
Shotgun requires speed to get up close quickly
Shotguns don't deal damage when you miss
Shotguns have significantly longer reload
Shotguns suffer much more from hit detection

These arguments are mostly pointless because the majority of Flaylock defenders lack the ability to see that it's a SIDEARM, and that it is significantly easier to use effectively than SMGs, Scrambler Pistols, or Nova Knives.

1) Don't move in predicable ways.
2) Don't stand still.
3) Use cover.
4) Use the "only 3 shots" to your advantage when engaging a flaylocker.
5) Don't approach a flaylocker in a straight line (this is one of the key mistakes ppl make btw).
6) Keep your distance.
7) Don't expect to win against CQC weapon like the flaylock when using an AR

It's easier to use than SMGs? I can mow down a heavy in one clip from my SMG, in several seconds, my fittings are split 50/50 between SMG and Flaylock. Yes, it's a sidearm, yes, it's powerful, if you skill up to ADV, even Proto with proficiency, and rightly so, it should be, we've worked for it. The shotgun has 6 OHK's in the clip, the Flaylock has ONE kill in the clip, by the time you reload, if you're against more than one person, you are dead. It's not as easy to use as people are making out, the splash range is pitiful AND it's ALREADY been nerfed, the core used to have 3m splash radius, now it has two.

Plasma Cannon Sidearm, is that what you people want? ****.

Dale Templar will be happy once he can kill multiple people with a flaylock. Please buff the flaylock.

Keep splash damage at 1m across all models.

Done.

So now you admit that you can't even read?

1) Don't move in predicable ways.
2) Don't stand still.
3) Use cover.
4) Use the "only 3 shots" to your advantage when engaging a flaylocker.
5) Don't approach a flaylocker in a straight line (this is one of the key mistakes ppl make btw).
6) Keep your distance.
7) Don't expect to win against CQC weapon like the flaylock when using an AR

I guess that's too challenging for you and not being able to run at someone in a straight line while "spraying and praying" is too much of an issue

1.) Generic rabble, it's a splash damage weapon. You can only move so quickly in so many ways, and many of those ways fit within the corelocks splash radius if aimed just a little.
2.) Generic rabble. We know this, this applies to anything in game. Also, you have a splash damage weapon with high direct damage, so even if they stand still, AND you miss, you'll still do damage
3.) Generic rabble. We know this, it's part of the game. You have a splash damage weapon, which largely negates much of what counts for cover on these maps if aimed properly.
4.) This is reasonable advice, though the reload is lightning fast, and many people are starting to carry 2
5.) This again doesn't matter because splash damage. I use the advanced one from time to time and I never ever have an issue hitting people strafing me, and I'm a freaking Heavy
6.) Generic rabble / partway useful advice. We know to keep distance, unless we run CQC builds, which are largely negated by this sidearm weapon. Keeping your distance does help to throw of flaylock shots, because it's harder for them to get a height advantage on you.
7.) Flaylock is a sidearm that works at extreme close to medium / midlong range (if above) AR requires you to constantly track while strafing and trying to get headshots. The recoil still isn't high enough, and we could use a jam / overheat on the guns, but overall, the two battles are drastically different.