I can't wait for your butthurt when they nerf the Flaylock into oblivion

I will drink your QQ tears.

Shotgun is a light weapon
Shotgun requires speed to get up close quickly
Shotguns don't deal damage when you miss
Shotguns have significantly longer reload
Shotguns suffer much more from hit detection

These arguments are mostly pointless because the majority of Flaylock defenders lack the ability to see that it's a SIDEARM, and that it is significantly easier to use effectively than SMGs, Scrambler Pistols, or Nova Knives.

It's easier to use than SMGs? I can mow down a heavy in one clip from my SMG, in several seconds, my fittings are split 50/50 between SMG and Flaylock. Yes, it's a sidearm, yes, it's powerful, if you skill up to ADV, even Proto with proficiency, and rightly so, it should be, we've worked for it. The shotgun has 6 OHK's in the clip, the Flaylock has ONE kill in the clip, by the time you reload, if you're against more than one person, you are dead. It's not as easy to use as people are making out, the splash range is pitiful AND it's ALREADY been nerfed, the core used to have 3m splash radius, now it has two.

Plasma Cannon Sidearm, is that what you people want? ****.

nerf the Flaylock into oblivion

Don't buff the Flaylock, Don't nerf the Flaylock, the Flaylock is fine was my general point.

My only question here is how in the actual **** are you killing a heavy with an SMG faster than you are with a flaylock?

Don't get me wrong, you're preaching to the choir about SMGs, I've used them as a primary in the past on my scout (back when they were ABSURD, kind of like the flaylock is right now, actually....) Even so, I use my SMG as well. I've used just about every weapon and vehicle in this game to a reasonable extent over the past 13 months, and I've watched things get buffed and nerfed and I know what's a silly weapon compared to a reasonably balanced one.

You're welcome to continue blowing smoke for your amusement, but I give it two months tops (though likely sooner) before it's brought back in line in some way.

I think the rate of fire needs adjusting.

You were telling us that you can kill a heavy with one clip of a SMG, this seems like a 1on1 situation to me.
Then you start talking about the flaylock versus more than ONE enemy...

You're telling us that a shotgun has a 6 kill-potential and the flaylock only has a 1-kill potential with 1 clip without going into the playstyles of both weapons.

Plasma Cannon as sidearm?

I'm thinking you don't know what you are talking about....

3) To say splash damage negates cover is probably the most ridiculous thing I read on the forums today

You have a splash damage weapon, which largely negates much of what counts for cover on these maps if aimed properly.

Aim for the head?

You were telling us that you can kill a heavy with one clip of a SMG, this seems like a 1on1 situation to me.
Then you start talking about the flaylock versus more than ONE enemy...

You're telling us that a shotgun has a 6 kill-potential and the flaylock only has a 1-kill potential with 1 clip without going into the playstyles of both weapons.

I'm thinking you don't know what you are talking about....

Stopped reading here.

Most cover in this game is short and thin, for the most part. When you have a weapon with reasonable splash radius and high splash damage, you can aim just behind the corner that they're using as cover, or jumping up and shooting just behind the cover.

Either instance negates cover, and deals near optimal damage.

What I said is

In what world. Anywhere. Is aiming for the dancing head, easier than aiming for the ground?

I won't respond to your answer, have an excellent day.

Better fix is to Remove them, we already have the Mass Driver which is now better since the splash damage has been fixed.

Better fix is to Remove them, we already have the Mass Driver which is now better since the splash damage has been fixed.

We should remove any sidearm that isn't a nova knife then, at least until we get nova swords

You guys are just being ridiculous. I've engaged proto heavies with boundless hmgs which they put away to shoot core flaylocks at me. I've seen people miss all the majority of their AR shots because of a simple left to right strafe, and they pull out a flaylock to shoot at my feet for 400 dmg. This thing has totally altered the way battles go, from pubstomps to very competitive PC battles

The only time the flaylock is at a disadvantage is against other flaylocks and fast shotgunners with lots of stamina to close gap and win the ensuing bunnyhop war as flaylocks are spammed at feet, and even that can be tipped in flaylocks favor with flux grenades.

They're also at a disadvantage if there is cover around, at range, and when facing more than 1 opponent.

@Dale Templar: I was just arguing that if you try to shoot a heavy witha SMG with more enemies around you would probably end up dead too like when you face a group of people with a flaylock. Do you have to get up close with a flaylock to kill someone? Which has the potential to get you killed first? shooting from a distance or running up close?

Anyway it's fun to talk about weapons without highlighting all variables. Let us endthis discussion and wait untill R'adeh Hunt drops his "research".

Or shooting at someone on higher ground.

Linking me to the search-function doesn't help me as I already stated that I can't find the data you are referring to...maybe it doesn't exist...I don't know...so why don't you link me to that data? or are you afraid that the data isn't in your favor?

PS: what weapon isn't in disadvantage if there is cover around...it's also the first time I would see a soldier charge multiple people with a PISTOL at range...I thought you mastered pistols?

what higer ground? you guys spam all these scenarios where flaylocks are at disadvantage but we are fighting on four maps each game with fairly generic terrain. Flaylocks can camp on all but the two tallest roofs on Spine crescent, all of the roofs on line harvest along with the pipes, the roofs and pipes on ashlands... etc

Because I'm not gonna waste 20min+ to search for something I know to be true. Don't believe me? Prove me wrong (which you obviously aren't able to do). The proto SMG/SP are just as good as the proto flaylock. In some respects their better, in some others their worse...it all comes down to tactics.

As for the SP, it rocks at range compared to the flaylock.

Apparently you would like to spend more than 20min+ to convince everyone that there is nothing wrong with the flaylock just because you say so.

You have a lot of credibilty .

So the the short range on the SMG or shotgun isn't a disadvantage because you can just "close the distance", that's perfectly sound reasoning