leave the damn forge gun alone

For you guys info, I drive a logistics LAV. I'm not affected by Forge Guns in any way since they can never hit me. But I can see them in the killfeed. It gets more kills than weapons that are supposed to kill infantry, like the laser and scrambler rifle. Just play ambush Manus Peak vs some top corps you'll see many Forge Gunners there going 20/0.

-XOXO

There was a thread yesterday of an AR user going 50 ( + ) & 2

By your reckoning we should nerf Ar's also, so please give us your considered opinion on how we can do that

How many AR's do you see in the kill feed since you spend a lot of time looking while driving

For you guys info, I drive a logistics LAV. I'm not affected by Forge Guns in any way since they can never hit me. But I can see them in the killfeed. It gets more kills than weapons that are supposed to kill infantry, like the laser and scrambler rifle. Just play ambush Manus Peak vs some top corps you'll see many Forge Gunners there going 20/0.

-XOXO

Llav driver

/thread

an AV weapon going 20/0 in a game mode where free LAV spam is rampant. sounds like a step in the right direction

Forge Guns aren't killing LAVs thrust me. Those 20 kills come from infantry kills.

-XOXO

This how the Forge Gun will get nerfed:

-1500 damage for the proto. Assault gets 1400 damage and Breach 1700. How a gun has more damage than a cannon is beyond me. Only in Dust 514.

-0.5 splash radius. Yep no more infantry killing. This in an AV weapon and will only be useful at destroying tanks.

-Optimal range reduced to 100m. No more roof sniping. Dropships can breathe a bit more with one less annoying AV harassing their ass. Sniping is for snipers and this gun doesn't even have ADS. It's clearly meant for "mid range" tank destruction.

inb4 fatties say Forge Gun is fine.

-XOXO

lol whut? Do I have to QQ for a nerf thread to be legit? Not me baby.

-XOXO

This how the Forge Gun will get nerfed:

-1500 damage for the proto. Assault gets 1400 damage and Breach 1700. How a gun has more damage than a cannon is beyond me. Only in Dust 514.

-0.5 splash radius. Yep no more infantry killing. This in an AV weapon and will only be useful at destroying tanks.

-Optimal range reduced to 100m. No more roof sniping. Dropships can breathe a bit more with one less annoying AV harassing their ass. Sniping is for snipers and this gun doesn't even have ADS. It's clearly meant for "mid range" tank destruction.

inb4 fatties say Forge Gun is fine.

-XOXO

How about:

Forge -90% damage to infantry and advertised face-value damage to vehicles.


Only problem is that heavy noobs will all just run back to their HMG and not do any AV at all, which is what they were designed for. Thus the assaults and logis will have to make up for their slack and run AV themselves, which is what they weren't designed for.

How about:

Forge -90% damage to infantry and advertised face-value damage to vehicles.


Only problem is that heavy noobs will all just run back to their HMG and not do any AV at all, which is what they were designed for. Thus the assaults and logis will have to make up for their slack and run AV themselves, which is what they weren't designed for.

I'm a medium suit and they are fine, all that should happen to them is either lowered magazine cap or make them single shot weapons.

I think your last body transfer went wrong and you are now mentally challenged. I suggest offing this clone and trying another one. Kthxbye.

Alternatively please try fighting off infantry with a forge gun and let us know how it went. Because you're obviously butthurt about being dead to one, not laughing at your OP supa-cannon. Which is the first rule of whiny nerf club: got killed with it, it must be OP.

Face it, you just suck and got hit by a weapon that charges for at least three seconds between shots. And is used to kill MF HAVs.

Doesn't matter if it's 90% damage for infantry, it'll still 1 shot them. That's why very small blast radius and viola everyone says weapon is sh!t.

-XOXO

How about you don't stand still to get hit with a frakking plasma cannon? Splash does not OHK you, but getting plasma-ball bumped does. FG does not have a scope, so it only works for people who want to pick flowers on the battlefield.

Why would plasma projectile that rips tanks apart do no damage to infantry? There is no logic in that except "we're little whiny princesses and we demand nerf."

Didn't read thread. :/

I said it before, I drive LAVs. I'm the least affected by Forge Guns. They can't touch me.

I say nerf because I see them. Go play ambush you'll see.

Forge hitbox is far too big, should be a pin-sized hitbox. Right now they just aim in the general direction of somebody from halfway across the map and get a direct hit.

Maybe not as clear as I hoped, I meant that it should have [negative] 90% damage to infantry

ie only 10% of it's face-value damage would apply to infantry if hit.





Forge hitbox is far too big, should be a pin-sized hitbox. Right now they just aim in the general direction of somebody from halfway across the map and get a direct hit.

Also lots of things don't make sense RL wise in any game, but that is required for balance. Get used to it.

I went Ambush mostly for last 3x SP event and got killed by a FG maybe once or twice a day, with many FGs in the field.

FGs can touch you, we've got a dedicated FG people and they explode murder taxis by a dozen each match.

Stop trolling and get some gun skills maybe?




BS. Make an alt, skill FG and record this.

I did use forgegun in this build. Have you? No, you just think you know how it works.



It just hit me that I'm arguing in a troll thread and will stop now. Have fun, children.

This how the Forge Gun will get nerfed:

-1500 damage for the proto. Assault gets 1400 damage and Breach 1700. How a gun has more damage than a cannon is beyond me. Only in Dust 514.

-0.5 splash radius. Yep no more infantry killing. This in an AV weapon and will only be useful at destroying tanks.

-Optimal range reduced to 100m. No more roof sniping. Dropships can breathe a bit more with one less annoying AV harassing their ass. Sniping is for snipers and this gun doesn't even have ADS. It's clearly meant for "mid range" tank destruction.

inb4 fatties say Forge Gun is fine.

-XOXO

Forge gun are fine, i don't use them, seldom die to them, they are a niche weapon and OP you are full of ****

BS. Make an alt, skill FG and record this.

I did use forgegun in this build. Have you? No, you just think you know how it works.



It just hit me that I'm arguing in a troll thread and will stop now. Have fun, children.

Why on earth do people sign off or add signatures to their forum posts.

It's ridiculous.

I thought their niche was AV? But they're better at killing infantry!

-XOXO

I demand the sp back i put in flaylock if its nerft, i hope ccp wil come with another sp reset. Because if you nerf stuff now its ridiculous.how the hell you going to build a good character if ccp keep changing ****. Wasted sp yet again.

Look at damage markers and people not taking damage from grenades, i think thats a bit more important.

Flaylocks are over powered. They will be nerfed, and no you wont get your skill points back.

dmg markers are a hell of a lot better this patch.

@OP ... leave the FG's alone, theres are changes coming for av as it is, we dont need you giving the dev's bad ideas

FG damage are fine. I'll only agree with a way too big range. The absolute range isnt the problem in itself, it's the damage falloff. FG projectile should lose power way faster. Let's be honest, tower FG sniping is nothing fun nor good.

Damage markers are better but not good enough, some just dont take damage from an grenade exploding next to them.
And they should not nerf weapons, instead you design another weapon to counter that weapon, like a gun or what ever in a real war gets nerft. No it doesnt

All I want is for militia forge guns to be removed, If I get killed by advanced and proto forges in one hit so be it, I don't like my proto suit to be 1 shotted by a 500 ISK gun...

Been killed by forge noobs, don't need to spec to know their hitbox is too big.

Forge players should have to aim like the rest of us (well except flaylock and MD players), not point in general direction, click, then win.

oh no we have mice... releases snakes...

I hear mouse traps work pretty good.

an AV weapon going 20/0 in a game mode where free LAV spam is rampant. sounds like a step in the right direction

FG damage are fine. I'll only agree with a way too big range. The absolute range isnt the problem in itself, it's the damage falloff. FG projectile should lose power way faster. Let's be honest, tower FG sniping is nothing fun nor good.

Also, multiple kills from destroying full vehicles would inflate their kill count.

there is no argument that will ever work against av or infantry, its the infantry that get their wants and needs catered to in this game, have you noticed that hardly anything that's been implemented so far has been suggested and begged by the infantry players?

the rest of us are just minorities that CCP doesn't care about.

How about:

Forge -90% damage to infantry and advertised face-value damage to vehicles.


Only problem is that heavy noobs will all just run back to their HMG and not do any AV at all, which is what they were designed for. Thus the assaults and logis will have to make up for their slack and run AV themselves, which is what they weren't designed for.

Wtf is up with all the hate for the forge gun lately? If you manage to hit my bouncy ass then you deserve the kill. I play Gallente stacking armour so I'm slower than most, and I've been killed by a forge gun twice in the past few weeks, and I logged at least 20 hours in the last week alone...

Like somebody has already said, if you're so sure about it being OP go and try it. If you can go 15/0 with the forge gun then I'll personally bake you some f'ing cookies. In fact, if you go 15/0 with anything I'll bake you the cookies.

FG damage are fine. I'll only agree with a way too big range. The absolute range isnt the problem in itself, it's the damage falloff. FG projectile should lose power way faster. Let's be honest, tower FG sniping is nothing fun nor good.

you die a lot to them while being infantry? your niche must be being bad at this game, they are so easy to kill when you CQC them, come on stop dying and get better instead of qqing

For you guys info, I drive a logistics LAV. I'm not affected by Forge Guns in any way since they can never hit me. But I can see them in the killfeed. It gets more kills than weapons that are supposed to kill infantry, like the laser and scrambler rifle. Just play ambush Manus Peak vs some top corps you'll see many Forge Gunners there going 20/0.

-XOXO

Oh, please tell us what weapons are "supposed" to be in the killfeed. Gtfo murder taxi troll.

I personally never see them, got killed by em in beta tho an recently used a militia on on a alt heavy do drive over dudes an use a heavy for 3x sp week wasn't very successful tho

This how the Forge Gun will get nerfed:

-1500 damage for the proto. Assault gets 1400 damage and Breach 1700. How a gun has more damage than a cannon is beyond me. Only in Dust 514.

-0.5 splash radius. Yep no more infantry killing. This in an AV weapon and will only be useful at destroying tanks.

-Optimal range reduced to 100m. No more roof sniping. Dropships can breathe a bit more with one less annoying AV harassing their ass. Sniping is for snipers and this gun doesn't even have ADS. It's clearly meant for "mid range" tank destruction.

inb4 fatties say Forge Gun is fine.

-XOXO

Pre-trying to snipe with FG again:


I used to do it, felt like a scrub, and stopped. It's especially the Assault ones that perplex me the most. Anyways, let's see how a MLT fit goes.

QQ all i see is QQ ? does this even make english

nerf the ar it can kill me oh and while your at it nerf grenades and mass drivers and dropships it takes one shot to kill them they should just blow up when they drop save my ammo nerf the heavys in general give them enough cpu and pg to run nothing but side arm ... seriously GET GOOD
SO SICK OF SAYING THIS I CANT AIM A FORGE GUN I HAVE TO CHARGE IT WHILE YOUR SPAMMING ME WITH MASS DRIVER ROUNDS AND SPRAYING ME WITH SUPER STRAFE SPEED I HAVE TO CHARGE THE DAMN THING SORRY IT TAKES A LITTLE SKILL FOR ME TO USE A FORGE GUN UNLIKE THE MASSDRIVER FLAYLOCK AND GRENADE SPAM SORRY HEAVYS HAVE A GUN TO FIGHT BACK WITH

This how the Forge Gun will get nerfed:

-1500 damage for the proto. Assault gets 1400 damage and Breach 1700. How a gun has more damage than a cannon is beyond me. Only in Dust 514.

-0.5 splash radius. Yep no more infantry killing. This in an AV weapon and will only be useful at destroying tanks.

-Optimal range reduced to 100m. No more roof sniping. Dropships can breathe a bit more with one less annoying AV harassing their ass. Sniping is for snipers and this gun doesn't even have ADS. It's clearly meant for "mid range" tank destruction.

inb4 fatties say Forge Gun is fine.

-XOXO

nerf the ar it can kill me oh and while your at it nerf grenades and mass drivers and dropships it takes one shot to kill them they should just blow up when they drop save my ammo nerf the heavys in general give them enough cpu and pg to run nothing but side arm ... seriously GET GOOD
SO SICK OF SAYING THIS I CANT AIM A FORGE GUN I HAVE TO CHARGE IT WHILE YOUR SPAMMING ME WITH MASS DRIVER ROUNDS AND SPRAYING ME WITH SUPER STRAFE SPEED I HAVE TO CHARGE THE DAMN THING SORRY IT TAKES A LITTLE SKILL FOR ME TO USE A FORGE GUN UNLIKE THE MASSDRIVER FLAYLOCK AND GRENADE SPAM SORRY HEAVYS HAVE A GUN TO FIGHT BACK WITH

This how the Forge Gun will get nerfed:

-1500 damage for the proto. Assault gets 1400 damage and Breach 1700. How a gun has more damage than a cannon is beyond me. Only in Dust 514.

-0.5 splash radius. Yep no more infantry killing. This in an AV weapon and will only be useful at destroying tanks.

-Optimal range reduced to 100m. No more roof sniping. Dropships can breathe a bit more with one less annoying AV harassing their ass. Sniping is for snipers and this gun doesn't even have ADS. It's clearly meant for "mid range" tank destruction.

inb4 fatties say Forge Gun is fine.

-XOXO

analysis: w/e mlt fit, did surprisingly well. 7/0. Needs some practice. And a bigger nanohive.

meh seen FGers go 35+/0 killing no vehicles during the whole match. i don't see why it should be nerfed.

lol if only my HMG was any good I surely wouldn't drive my LAV. Killfeed is supposed to be ARs and LAV until everything else gets good. Forge Guns GTFO and do AV.

-XOXO

thats just a general im sick of hearing how bad the forge is compare it to the md or fl ... and try to use the forge gun out of 16 total rounds i come with i get about 4 kills mostly i use it as most heavys do to back off skinnys now guys out there who have youtube vids yes that garbage but its what they do . as a heavy i need every thing i can get to try n keep up with duvolles geks md fl and such

Dude I'm not the one dying. It's not QQ. Please read thread. Play ambush and watch the killfeed you'll see.

-XOXO

If anything needs nerfed its those damn logi lav's that seem to b able to take more dmg than a tank,,,true story,,im on table top lookin downward at a stuck limbus,,STUCK,,my proto forge with lvl 5 prof and two complex dmg mods ,,lets loose 3 rounds of beautiful blue turds onto the top end of said limbus,,AND DIDNT EVEN DROP ITS SHIELDS,,yeah,u heard me,,like I said b4 those logi lav's need nerfed if anything at all,,,OH YEAH,keep the binky in ur mouth & stop bitchn=::

Pretty sure your LLAV will be nerfed first. You're probably going 20/0 every game doing this lame murder taxi. The only reason heavy use forge guns more now is because it is more fun than the HMG and actually bring some variety to the heavy class which currently have 2 choices of built.

For you guys info, I drive a logistics LAV. I'm not affected by Forge Guns in any way since they can never hit me. But I can see them in the killfeed. It gets more kills than weapons that are supposed to kill infantry, like the laser and scrambler rifle. Just play ambush Manus Peak vs some top corps you'll see many Forge Gunners there going 20/0.

-XOXO

For you guys info, I drive a logistics LAV. I'm not affected by Forge Guns in any way since they can never hit me. But I can see them in the killfeed. It gets more kills than weapons that are supposed to kill infantry, like the laser and scrambler rifle. Just play ambush Manus Peak vs some top corps you'll see many Forge Gunners there going 20/0.

-XOXO

seriously WTF happened?

I went to bed yesterday with every AR ***** whining about flaylocks, and I woke up today with every AR ***** whining about forge guns...


you guys really don't stop whining at all do you? ******* grow some skill....learn to use those, useless stumps you call fingers to do something other then play with yourself and play the god dam game the way it's meant to be played >.<

Yup... 20/0 blowing up 13 lavs 3 tanks and a derpship.

Gtfo with this nonsense. Before crying wolf try the damn thing out. When maruaders return tanks will be fine. As for killing infantry. Casualties of war... stop lav spamming and u will see a lot less forges

Yup... 20/0 blowing up 13 lavs 3 tanks and a derpship.

Gtfo with this nonsense. Before crying wolf try the damn thing out. When maruaders return tanks will be fine. As for killing infantry. Casualties of war... stop lav spamming and u will see a lot less forges

All I want is for militia forge guns to be removed, If I get killed by advanced and proto forges in one hit so be it, I don't like my proto suit to be 1 shotted by a 500 ISK gun...

leave the damn forge gun alone

It's OP and you know it. It's not meant to be going 15/0 at Manus Peak ambush. It's an AV weapon ffs.

-XOXO

It's OP and you know it. It's not meant to be going 15/0 at Manus Peak ambush. It's an AV weapon ffs.

-XOXO

there is no argument that will ever work against av or infantry, its the infantry that get their wants and needs catered to in this game, have you noticed that hardly anything that's been implemented so far has been suggested and begged by the infantry players?

the rest of us are just minorities that CCP doesn't care about.

Forge hitbox is far too big

question do you run stupidly into the open

QFT
Niche roles are forever fked in this game.

All your SP is better off spent going Caldari Assault and Core Skills.
When you finish with that you simply dabble a little SP into everything else.

A sniper rifle is only to kill snipers and get them off your ass.
A FG is just to kill a tank and get it off your ass (if it proves resistant to av nades), the heavy suit just makes you look cool while you do it.

It's like a niche weapon is only useful against the players that use it. Run to supply depot, grab niche weapon, kill niche player, run back to supply depot and return to Cal Assault.

The forge gun is fine. Heavies really only had 2 good choices. HMG for CQC. FG for LRC. Yes the FG was AV, but why penalize a good heavy for being able to kill infantry at range with one?

It's a hard lesson to learn, but it's a lesson.

With all the changes happening there is only ONE way to skill a character:
- Caldari Assault, AR, and Core Skills, and THEN a niche of your choice.

See? I knew I wasn't crazy! All of you saying the lolForgeGun is fine are a bunch of ****** scrubs that don't like the HMG because it sucks and don't want their toy nerf. Well guess what CCP.Is watching the killfeed and you're in the top 5 when your job is to destroy vehicles! And don't tell me because LAV spam because you know you can't kill them. You can't kill me! GTFO!!!!!

-XOXO

It's OP and you know it. It's not meant to be going 15/0 at Manus Peak ambush. It's an AV weapon ffs.

-XOXO

I have to agree. The forge gun is for AV only, just like the Swarm Launcher. Imagine being able to kill infantry with the swarm launcher.

It's OP and you know it. It's not meant to be going 15/0 at Manus Peak ambush. It's an AV weapon ffs.

-XOXO

How many AR's do you see in the kill feed since you spend a lot of time looking while driving

Plasma cannons also kill infantry, and are better at it then FGs. Should we look for ways to nerf the plasma cannon?

Of course. They aren't ARs.

Flaylocks will do their job just fine: https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/992774_10151712442698934_1645304825_n.jpg

FG damage are fine. I'll only agree with a way too big range. The absolute range isnt the problem in itself, it's the damage falloff. FG projectile should lose power way faster. Let's be honest, tower FG sniping is nothing fun nor good.

Here you go:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=92678

That doesnt tell anyone wih an ounce of common sense what they dont already know. ARs are the goto weapon because people find them easy to use and are comfortable with them. It shows that the majority of people dont really want to try anything different through fear of wasting sp or just not being any good with other weapons. Kudos for doing it though.

People post without thinking, without any numbers to back it up and assume that mass QQ helps but this is GD and if you want reasoned discussion look elsewhere.

This thread gave me cancer.

Read through the thread. It does actually say a lot more than that.

I have to agree. The forge gun is for AV only, just like the Swarm Launcher. Imagine being able to kill infantry with the swarm launcher.

-1500 damage for the proto. Assault gets 1400 damage and Breach 1700. How a gun has more damage than a cannon is beyond me. Only in Dust 514.

-0.5 splash radius. Yep no more infantry killing. This in an AV weapon and will only be useful at destroying tanks.

-Optimal range reduced to 100m. No more roof sniping. Dropships can breathe a bit more with one less annoying AV harassing their ass. Sniping is for snipers and this gun doesn't even have ADS. It's clearly meant for "mid range" tank destruction.

Wtf is up with all the hate for the forge gun lately? If you manage to hit my bouncy ass then you deserve the kill. I play Gallente stacking armour so I'm slower than most, and I've been killed by a forge gun twice in the past few weeks, and I logged at least 20 hours in the last week alone...

Like somebody has already said, if you're so sure about it being OP go and try it. If you can go 15/0 with the forge gun then I'll personally bake you some f'ing cookies. In fact, if you go 15/0 with anything I'll bake you the cookies.

What CCP will find when monitoring any random killfeed is a hell of a lot more [Baloch - Impact] than [9K330 Forge Gun]. And your primary job is transporting mercs, and I'm sure that is all you ever use it for, amirite?

Tell you what -- I'll agree to a forge range nerf, if you agree that your LLAV murder taxi begins taking direct damage to armor, in direct proportion to how much health I had when you ran me over. Hit me at full health, and you take 1012 armor damage. Deal?

Plasma cannons also kill infantry, and are better at it then FGs. Should we look for ways to nerf the plasma cannon?


If I ever see a "nerf plasma cannon" thread I will LOL and forever troll them.

If people want to balance the FGs they would have to balance across the board. For every nerf there would have to be a buff. Nerf the assaults range and you'd have to buff it's splash and splash damage. Afterwards you'd tone the damage down abit on the regular FG. If the Breach is touched in any way,shape, or form you'd have to get rid of those stupid penalties.

The breach is fine it's a purely AV FG.
The assault you could nerf but it'd need a buff to make it an AI weapon as well as AV weapon.
The regular is fine.

Which FGs is the OP complaining about? The PRO lvl or MLT lvl what?

Can't just go nerfing the PRO FGs without ******* the current AV balance.

EhhhH, Plasma Cannons aren't AV, they suck at AV. It's ok to use them at killing infantry. Otherwise it's a completely useless weapon.

Let's say the Assault is the most OP one and it's the one specifically being used for killing infantry.

-XOXO

Heavy weapons need to feel intimidating. Hence the term "Heavy Weapon".

What, you want it to shoot rainbows and flowers like the HMG?

ARs are OP as well, that one goes after lolForgeGuns. No way they can be better than my laser rifle.

Edit: Actually no, ARs are fine. It's the other rifles that suck. The guy was just lucky he didn't face a full squad of top corp players. Anyone can go 50/0 vs a bunch of scrubs.

-XOXO

I thought their niche was AV? But they're better at killing infantry!

-XOXO

SLs could kill infantry in closed beta. From what i hear it was pure hell.

Check.

Up to the nerf queue. Yes thanks.

-XOXO

It's OP and you know it. It's not meant to be going 15/0 at Manus Peak ambush. It's an AV weapon ffs.

-XOXO