DUST Search - Core Flaylock gets nerfed, lolForgeGun you're next

Buster Friently wrote:

Hawkings Greenback wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

Hawkings Greenback wrote:

FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:

For you guys info, I drive a logistics LAV. I'm not affected by Forge Guns in any way since they can never hit me. But I can see them in the killfeed. It gets more kills than weapons that are supposed to kill infantry, like the laser and scrambler rifle. Just play ambush Manus Peak vs some top corps you'll see many Forge Gunners there going 20/0.

-XOXO

How many AR's do you see in the kill feed since you spend a lot of time looking while driving

Here you go:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=92678

That doesnt tell anyone wih an ounce of common sense what they dont already know. ARs are the goto weapon because people find them easy to use and are comfortable with them. It shows that the majority of people dont really want to try anything different through fear of wasting sp or just not being any good with other weapons. Kudos for doing it though.

People post without thinking, without any numbers to back it up and assume that mass QQ helps but this is GD and if you want reasoned discussion look elsewhere.

Read through the thread. It does actually say a lot more than that.

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Buster Friently Rosen Association 1101	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:16:00 - [121] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: For you guys info, I drive a logistics LAV. I'm not affected by Forge Guns in any way since they can never hit me. But I can see them in the killfeed. It gets more kills than weapons that are supposed to kill infantry, like the laser and scrambler rifle. Just play ambush Manus Peak vs some top corps you'll see many Forge Gunners there going 20/0. -XOXO How many AR's do you see in the kill feed since you spend a lot of time looking while driving Here you go: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=92678 That doesnt tell anyone wih an ounce of common sense what they dont already know. ARs are the goto weapon because people find them easy to use and are comfortable with them. It shows that the majority of people dont really want to try anything different through fear of wasting sp or just not being any good with other weapons. Kudos for doing it though. People post without thinking, without any numbers to back it up and assume that mass QQ helps but this is GD and if you want reasoned discussion look elsewhere. Read through the thread. It does actually say a lot more than that.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 766	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:17:00 - [122] - Quote This thread gave me cancer.
Enderr Wigginn KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 133	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:19:00 - [123] - Quote You know what I find funny about ALL of these QQ forges are OP threads. The original post QQ's about the forge gun being OP then it is six pages of people telling them they are wrong. You think they would get the hint and stop making these threads.
Hawkings Greenback Red Star Jr. EoN. 58	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:21:00 - [124] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: This thread gave me cancer. Forge gun to the chest can solve your problems
Hawkings Greenback Red Star Jr. EoN. 58	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:24:00 - [125] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: For you guys info, I drive a logistics LAV. I'm not affected by Forge Guns in any way since they can never hit me. But I can see them in the killfeed. It gets more kills than weapons that are supposed to kill infantry, like the laser and scrambler rifle. Just play ambush Manus Peak vs some top corps you'll see many Forge Gunners there going 20/0. -XOXO How many AR's do you see in the kill feed since you spend a lot of time looking while driving Here you go: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=92678 That doesnt tell anyone wih an ounce of common sense what they dont already know. ARs are the goto weapon because people find them easy to use and are comfortable with them. It shows that the majority of people dont really want to try anything different through fear of wasting sp or just not being any good with other weapons. Kudos for doing it though. People post without thinking, without any numbers to back it up and assume that mass QQ helps but this is GD and if you want reasoned discussion look elsewhere. Read through the thread. It does actually say a lot more than that. Currently at work but i will read through and comment later dude
Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 499	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:25:00 - [126] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: leave the damn forge gun alone It's OP and you know it. It's not meant to be going 15/0 at Manus Peak ambush. It's an AV weapon ffs. -XOXO I have to agree. The forge gun is for AV only, just like the Swarm Launcher. Imagine being able to kill infantry with the swarm launcher. iv seen people get killed my swarms and they are not near vehicles, they just stand still and think that the missiles will just explode and not damage them or go straight through them, instead "......o look some swarms coming my way, im sure it wont hurt me" a few seconds later "...boom, +50 infantry kill" its funny every time I watch
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 453	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:27:00 - [127] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: -1500 damage for the proto. Assault gets 1400 damage and Breach 1700. How a gun has more damage than a cannon is beyond me. Only in Dust 514. -0.5 splash radius. Yep no more infantry killing. This in an AV weapon and will only be useful at destroying tanks. -Optimal range reduced to 100m. No more roof sniping. Dropships can breathe a bit more with one less annoying AV harassing their ass. Sniping is for snipers and this gun doesn't even have ADS. It's clearly meant for "mid range" tank destruction. Eh. Wouldn't affect my playstyle at all. Direct shot from tabletop @ 90m 4tw Please climb the ladder to kill me. Please.
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 697	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:38:00 - [128] - Quote Forgegun been the same since chromosome, and so many weapons been sent to the chopping bloxk instead. It is never getting nerfed, especiall if proto HAVs are coming.
Remm Duchax The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 68	Posted - 2013.07.12 01:20:00 - [129] - Quote May I say that the Forge Gun is really just good when you're in a good position? You don't see me being a badass when on the same ground level. I need to get high a top something. Same as the sniper. Sniper's aren't really frontline material, as is the Forge Gun. Oh, do not mind today, I admit I've been killing a lot and dying less with it, but once snipers found you or you're not anymore the lone bird in your nest you're quite kittened in most cases.
Remm Duchax The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 68	Posted - 2013.07.12 01:36:00 - [130] - Quote RINON114 wrote: Wtf is up with all the hate for the forge gun lately? If you manage to hit my bouncy ass then you deserve the kill. I play Gallente stacking armour so I'm slower than most, and I've been killed by a forge gun twice in the past few weeks, and I logged at least 20 hours in the last week alone... Like somebody has already said, if you're so sure about it being OP go and try it. If you can go 15/0 with the forge gun then I'll personally bake you some f'ing cookies. In fact, if you go 15/0 with anything I'll bake you the cookies. 23/0, pretty sure I had that today. Oh, and some other xx/0 too! And before people say I'm proving it's OP, I need a full squad and some logibros to back me up, because going down a building or other high vantage point is not cool when you go slower than the average turtle.

FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 206	Posted - 2013.07.12 02:33:00 - [131] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Pre-trying to snipe with FG again: I used to do it, felt like a scrub, and stopped. It's especially the Assault ones that perplex me the most. Anyways, let's see how a MLT fit goes. See? I knew I wasn't crazy! All of you saying the lolForgeGun is fine are a bunch of ****** scrubs that don't like the HMG because it sucks and don't want their toy nerf. Well guess what CCP.Is watching the killfeed and you're in the top 5 when your job is to destroy vehicles! And don't tell me because LAV spam because you know you can't kill them. You can't kill me! GTFO!!!!! -XOXO What CCP will find when monitoring any random killfeed is a hell of a lot more [Baloch - Impact] than [9K330 Forge Gun]. And your primary job is transporting mercs, and I'm sure that is all you ever use it for, amirite? Tell you what -- I'll agree to a forge range nerf, if you agree that your LLAV murder taxi begins taking direct damage to armor, in direct proportion to how much health I had when you ran me over. Hit me at full health, and you take 1012 armor damage. Deal? I already proposed an LAV nerf in one of my threads not to long ago. Unlike Forge Gunners, I don't mind any nerf to the LAV because right now they aren't working as intended. Same as lolForgeGuns killing infantry. -XOXO
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 206	Posted - 2013.07.12 02:36:00 - [132] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: Plasma cannons also kill infantry, and are better at it then FGs. Should we look for ways to nerf the plasma cannon? If I ever see a "nerf plasma cannon" thread I will LOL and forever troll them. If people want to balance the FGs they would have to balance across the board. For every nerf there would have to be a buff. Nerf the assaults range and you'd have to buff it's splash and splash damage. Afterwards you'd tone the damage down abit on the regular FG. If the Breach is touched in any way,shape, or form you'd have to get rid of those stupid penalties. The breach is fine it's a purely AV FG. The assault you could nerf but it'd need a buff to make it an AI weapon as well as AV weapon. The regular is fine. Which FGs is the OP complaining about? The PRO lvl or MLT lvl what? Can't just go nerfing the PRO FGs without ******* the current AV balance. EhhhH, Plasma Cannons aren't AV, they suck at AV. It's ok to use them at killing infantry. Otherwise it's a completely useless weapon. Let's say the Assault is the most OP one and it's the one specifically being used for killing infantry. -XOXO
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 597	Posted - 2013.07.12 02:40:00 - [133] - Quote Why not just leave them as is except for one thing...... Make their damage AV (like the grenades).
Nelo Angel0 The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 125	Posted - 2013.07.12 03:32:00 - [134] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Nelo Angel0 wrote: Plasma cannons also kill infantry, and are better at it then FGs. Should we look for ways to nerf the plasma cannon? If I ever see a "nerf plasma cannon" thread I will LOL and forever troll them. If people want to balance the FGs they would have to balance across the board. For every nerf there would have to be a buff. Nerf the assaults range and you'd have to buff it's splash and splash damage. Afterwards you'd tone the damage down abit on the regular FG. If the Breach is touched in any way,shape, or form you'd have to get rid of those stupid penalties. The breach is fine it's a purely AV FG. The assault you could nerf but it'd need a buff to make it an AI weapon as well as AV weapon. The regular is fine. Which FGs is the OP complaining about? The PRO lvl or MLT lvl what? Can't just go nerfing the PRO FGs without ***** the current AV balance. EhhhH, Plasma Cannons aren't AV, they suck at AV. It's ok to use them at killing infantry. Otherwise it's a completely useless weapon. Let's say the Assault is the most OP one and it's the one specifically being used for killing infantry. -XOXO A weapon that does 1K in damage is not an AV weapon? With one shot in the clip? WUT. The MD,FG,SL,and PC are all AV weapons. They represent the 4 racial AV variants in the game. The MD is the weakest in the AV department. But it's the best Vs infantry. It also has 3 different variations 1 which is better at AV than the others. FG is the ultimate infantry weapon, needs lvl5 and a heavy suit to actually use. It's GREAT in AV but only decent vs infantry. However it has an assault variant that switches the balance to where it's better against infantry than AV. The breach ver. is used only for AV but can kill infantry. But the splash is so **** no one in their right mind would use the BFG for AV. SL are pure AV enough said. However if your stupid enough to stand in front of swarms before they hit their target. Guess what? IT WILL KILL YOU! The PC is sort of like a mix between the MD and FG. It has a charge up time and has amazing splash range/DMG. However it only has one shot, WTF CCP you on crack?, and it can reach pretty far. There are no variants, another wtf, and hopefully it'll get some because it sucks at AV even though it's an AV weapon.
Ro Dusakk All But Ambition 11	Posted - 2013.07.12 05:58:00 - [135] - Quote I rarely see a forge gun at all. If one is that good at aiming with them, they deserve the kills, vehicle or not. And you have to be a fatty to wield the FG. So no nerf please. -1.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 820	Posted - 2013.07.12 09:18:00 - [136] - Quote Heavy weapons need to feel intimidating. Hence the term "Heavy Weapon". What, you want it to shoot rainbows and flowers like the HMG?
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 920	Posted - 2013.07.12 09:24:00 - [137] - Quote Another potential solution to forge guns: Add dispersion. The aiming reticle is a massive square; why should shots always fire straight? What if I decided to stick a little dot of bluetack in the center? Easy infantry kills, here I come. Hell, some probably have done this. So, to counter, increase the max ammo. of the forge gun, increase clip size, reduce charge time, BUT ADD DISPERSION. At long range, therefore, it's almost impossible to hit targets. Unless they're large vehicles, like tanks. At medium range, vehicles will almost always be hit, even LAVs. At short range, 100% hits on vehicles, but can still miss infantry. Make the skill reduce dispersion (AND HENCE DECREASE SIZE OF AIMING RETICLE TOO)
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 550	Posted - 2013.07.12 12:02:00 - [138] - Quote OP should try to find different ways to balance forge guns. While keeping it's splash under control is good, the 100m range idea is bad. Perhaps there's another way to reduce forge sniping ability? Hint: it has been already suggested on multitude of forge nerf threads.
Taczka Padliny Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1	Posted - 2013.07.12 14:38:00 - [139] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Heavy weapons need to feel intimidating. Hence the term "Heavy Weapon". What, you want it to shoot rainbows and flowers like the HMG? Bigger projectiles then HMG , i`d say fluffy unicorns should be the preffered ammo choice
Vethosis BurgezzE.T.F 516	Posted - 2013.07.12 14:42:00 - [140] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: There was a thread yesterday of an AR user going 50 ( + ) & 2 By your reckoning we should nerf Ar's also, so please give us your considered opinion on how we can do that ARs are OP as well, that one goes after lolForgeGuns. No way they can be better than my laser rifle. Edit: Actually no, ARs are fine. It's the other rifles that suck. The guy was just lucky he didn't face a full squad of top corp players. Anyone can go 50/0 vs a bunch of scrubs. -XOXO fatbitch get out of the forums

Xin Tiger Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 7	Posted - 2013.07.12 17:37:00 - [141] - Quote forge gun is fine find somethin else to moan about
castba Penguin's March 25	Posted - 2013.07.12 17:53:00 - [142] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Omareth Nasadra wrote: Forge gun are fine, i don't use them, seldom die to them, they are a niche weapon and OP you are full of **** I thought their niche was AV? But they're better at killing infantry! -XOXO Goes to show you know not of what you speak. Go read the FG description.
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 55	Posted - 2013.07.12 21:37:00 - [143] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: Cenex Langly wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: leave the damn forge gun alone It's OP and you know it. It's not meant to be going 15/0 at Manus Peak ambush. It's an AV weapon ffs. -XOXO I have to agree. The forge gun is for AV only, just like the Swarm Launcher. Imagine being able to kill infantry with the swarm launcher. SLs could kill infantry in closed beta. From what i hear it was pure hell. I remember hearing about it. I do not want this lol
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 147	Posted - 2013.07.15 07:44:00 - [144] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: analysis: w/e mlt fit, did surprisingly well. 7/0. Needs some practice. And a bigger nanohive. Check. Up to the nerf queue. Yes thanks. -XOXO Yeah, fitting a heavy suit with a decent nanohive is so hard. In fact a bunch of us consider it impossible.
xSir Campsalotx D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 20	Posted - 2013.07.15 09:18:00 - [145] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: leave the damn forge gun alone It's OP and you know it. It's not meant to be going 15/0 at Manus Peak ambush. It's an AV weapon ffs. -XOXO I went 15-0 with laser rifle it must be OP
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 69	Posted - 2013.07.15 09:29:00 - [146] - Quote Buff forge guns
Niccolo deLuce The Vanguardians 5	Posted - 2013.07.15 09:43:00 - [147] - Quote As a dedicated medium suit wearer I have to say.... The Forge seems fine, the only problem I have is when I'm getting sniped and I'm unable to render who's shooting at me. That's pretty annoying, but other than that it's meh. If I run into a FG'er within 100m they're pretty much insta-dead. As far as continuity and all that stuff goes though... It is a little odd that they do more numerical damage than tanks, but that's a whole different issue. One real life point though... The main gun on an Abrams tank is 120mm. The largest semi-portable mortar systems are 120mm. I can personally carry a 120mm cannon around, and I can only imagine that with a 'Heavy' suit I would be able to carry the cannon as well as the baseplate and bipod, not to mention that this is all mostly theoretical technology anyways.


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