Ok so this is 1 of many feedback posts ive been wanting to make a while but been slackin cuz well......loldust and lolccp listening to feedback for once but here goes.

I have a serious problem with the tactical play in this game when it comes to uplink spam. Seems "tactics" seem to be spam 8-10 uplinks on a point and zerg. Imo that isnt tactics thats poor gameplay balance.

Games that let u use custom spawn points are usually limited to a class thus limiting how many can be active on the field at once cuz no one will all run that one class. Now DUST is different and i dont think it should be limited like that however there are some fixes that could make uplinks more tactical

1. Implement a radius barrier, meaning uplinks cant be placed too close to one another or the previous 1 is destroyed. This prevents ppl from spamming 10 in 1 spot and makes ppl THINK where they need to strategically place their uplinks

2. Equipment jammer, this is more a SoonGäó aka 2015 fix/implementation but how about a piece of equipment that jams/disables enemy equipment in an area?

1st option is something that can be done soon-ish imo

Moving on now.............

Uplink Spam vs Needle spam
IMO i rather see needle spam than uplink spam for various reasons

1. Injector is vastly underused
2. Using the injector is more risk involved than just spamming a million uplinks in a spot
3. Making a medic role actually viable and more important

Ok so this is 1 of many feedback posts ive been wanting to make a while but been slackin cuz well......loldust and lolccp listening to feedback for once but here goes.

I have a serious problem with the tactical play in this game when it comes to uplink spam. Seems "tactics" seem to be spam 8-10 uplinks on a point and zerg. Imo that isnt tactics thats poor gameplay balance.

Games that let u use custom spawn points are usually limited to a class thus limiting how many can be active on the field at once cuz no one will all run that one class. Now DUST is different and i dont think it should be limited like that however there are some fixes that could make uplinks more tactical

1. Implement a radius barrier, meaning uplinks cant be placed too close to one another or the previous 1 is destroyed. This prevents ppl from spamming 10 in 1 spot and makes ppl THINK where they need to strategically place their uplinks

2. Equipment jammer, this is more a SoonGäó aka 2015 fix/implementation but how about a piece of equipment that jams/disables enemy equipment in an area?

1st option is something that can be done soon-ish imo

Moving on now.............

Uplink Spam vs Needle spam
IMO i rather see needle spam than uplink spam for various reasons

1. Injector is vastly underused
2. Using the injector is more risk involved than just spamming a million uplinks in a spot
3. Making a medic role actually viable and more important

Ok so this is 1 of many feedback posts ive been wanting to make a while but been slackin cuz well......loldust and lolccp listening to feedback for once but here goes.

I have a serious problem with the tactical play in this game when it comes to uplink spam. Seems "tactics" seem to be spam 8-10 uplinks on a point and zerg. Imo that isnt tactics thats poor gameplay balance.

Games that let u use custom spawn points are usually limited to a class thus limiting how many can be active on the field at once cuz no one will all run that one class. Now DUST is different and i dont think it should be limited like that however there are some fixes that could make uplinks more tactical

1. Implement a radius barrier, meaning uplinks cant be placed too close to one another or the previous 1 is destroyed. This prevents ppl from spamming 10 in 1 spot and makes ppl THINK where they need to strategically place their uplinks

2. Equipment jammer, this is more a SoonGäó aka 2015 fix/implementation but how about a piece of equipment that jams/disables enemy equipment in an area?

1st option is something that can be done soon-ish imo

Moving on now.............

Uplink Spam vs Needle spam
IMO i rather see needle spam than uplink spam for various reasons

1. Injector is vastly underused
2. Using the injector is more risk involved than just spamming a million uplinks in a spot
3. Making a medic role actually viable and more important

Ok so this is 1 of many feedback posts ive been wanting to make a while but been slackin cuz well......loldust and lolccp listening to feedback for once but here goes.

I have a serious problem with the tactical play in this game when it comes to uplink spam. Seems "tactics" seem to be spam 8-10 uplinks on a point and zerg. Imo that isnt tactics thats poor gameplay balance.

Games that let u use custom spawn points are usually limited to a class thus limiting how many can be active on the field at once cuz no one will all run that one class. Now DUST is different and i dont think it should be limited like that however there are some fixes that could make uplinks more tactical

1. Implement a radius barrier, meaning uplinks cant be placed too close to one another or the previous 1 is destroyed. This prevents ppl from spamming 10 in 1 spot and makes ppl THINK where they need to strategically place their uplinks

2. Equipment jammer, this is more a SoonGäó aka 2015 fix/implementation but how about a piece of equipment that jams/disables enemy equipment in an area?

1st option is something that can be done soon-ish imo

Moving on now.............

Uplink Spam vs Needle spam
IMO i rather see needle spam than uplink spam for various reasons

1. Injector is vastly underused
2. Using the injector is more risk involved than just spamming a million uplinks in a spot
3. Making a medic role actually viable and more important

Ok so this is 1 of many feedback posts ive been wanting to make a while but been slackin cuz well......loldust and lolccp listening to feedback for once but here goes.

I have a serious problem with the tactical play in this game when it comes to uplink spam. Seems "tactics" seem to be spam 8-10 uplinks on a point and zerg. Imo that isnt tactics thats poor gameplay balance.

Games that let u use custom spawn points are usually limited to a class thus limiting how many can be active on the field at once cuz no one will all run that one class. Now DUST is different and i dont think it should be limited like that however there are some fixes that could make uplinks more tactical

1. Implement a radius barrier, meaning uplinks cant be placed too close to one another or the previous 1 is destroyed. This prevents ppl from spamming 10 in 1 spot and makes ppl THINK where they need to strategically place their uplinks

2. Equipment jammer, this is more a SoonGäó aka 2015 fix/implementation but how about a piece of equipment that jams/disables enemy equipment in an area?

1st option is something that can be done soon-ish imo

Moving on now.............

Uplink Spam vs Needle spam
IMO i rather see needle spam than uplink spam for various reasons

1. Injector is vastly underused
2. Using the injector is more risk involved than just spamming a million uplinks in a spot
3. Making a medic role actually viable and more important

Spamming 10 uplinks has its tactics, you get the entire team to spawn very fast on the spot the Logistics deem necessary. Also spamming uplinks, as of now, is necessary because of how easily uplinks are scanned and destroyed, and the fact they only spawn a limited amount of players before committing suicide. Not saying that spawning a million of them is any good, but they have to be spammed whenever the job needs to get done

The same as spamming uplinks is a tactic so is denying your opponent uplinks. If they're beating you because they're dumping uplinks in one spot it's because your team isn't taking them out. Stop thinking only about kills and start thinking about winning. If we neutralize everything that comes out that changes how we have to play then eventually we'll just be standing in two lines shooting at each other with ARs.

The same as spamming uplinks is a tactic so is denying your opponent uplinks. If they're beating you because they're dumping uplinks in one spot it's because your team isn't taking them out. Stop thinking only about kills and start thinking about winning. If we neutralize everything that comes out that changes how we have to play then eventually we'll just be standing in two lines shooting at each other with ARs.

you dont play this game a lot do you?

I think Uplinks are spammed for 2 main reasons :

1. Many assault in logi suits have tons of equipment slot and pg\cpu so they carry them all the time (i know i did...)
2. Drop Uplinks are too easily spotted on the mini map so spamming them since to be the only way to make sure some will survive when close to the enemy.
3. injectors were broken for months.

Now, even if you fix 1) people can still swap between suits at a depot, drop the uplinks and go back to whatever suit they want. If 2. is fixed, well spamming them will be even worse.

Maybe a team limit of how many Uplinks can be up at once ? But then, how do you make it work ? newest uplink dropped kills the oldest one ? Could lead to very frustrating situations where the blueberry screws you by dropping a useless uplink and thus destroying your very well located one.

I like the limit per people. At the moment, if you have DU lvl 5 and you take both R9 and quantum, you can drop 5 (4?) at once. That's huge. I also like the limited to logi thing. It's not rare in EVE to have specific equipment limited to specific ships. Like cover ops modules or extra drone slot modules for super carriers.

2. Drastically increase the fitting requirements of an uplink to the point where you are actually sacrificing other equipment or modules to fit one. In EVE a great deal of the balance comes from PG and CPU requirements, and it is an amazing way to add balance to the game without specifically limiting players to what can and can't be fit on a ship. Imo this mechanism is underused in DUST. If this were implemented I think logis would become the primary drop uplink users due to their high PG and CPU, but it would not specifically limit uplinks to logi suits.

Both these ideas are terrible simply because that kills one of the roles of scouts (one of the few we have atm). How am I supposed to slip past enemies and provide a spawn point for my team behind the enemy or at an enemy held objective if I can't carry uplinks?

Another one of the reasons the core game is poor. Not enough counters to gameplay and too many EZ mode weapons (yes i'm talking about you Flaylocks, LAV's and Thukkers) shouldnt active scanners and scan radius reveal uplinks? sigh...I guess thats to hardcore or something?

I wouldnt have a problem with Logis only having the CPU/PG to carry uplinks and max carried being limited to one uplink (as deployable spawns are powerful) but Logis have to be balanced first....and showing everyone where uplinks are? What part of tactical is that? Whatever....I dont even care enough to rant.

Would love to see Jammers and other rock/paper/scissors stuff but of course it'll take until 2016 to get implemented...sigh.

not corp battle wise at least judging by the response

lol i feel ur pain bro
ive also reached a point where i just dont care enough to rant......had this post to make like weeks ago had to bring myself to finally posting it now lol

I stopped using the needle in Uprising as did many as you may has well have signed your own death warrant trying to find the activation point and then preying the stab would actually work first time. Sadly most of the time the answer was no and not long after you were lying on the floor next to the person you were trying to revive. This I think is the cause of the UL spam as it made more sense to drop them all over and respawn as necessary rather that wait for (nobody) a res.

I've not tried yet but from what I've heard the injector now works most\all the time so I'll be trying again and if it works maybe so will others and the UL spam will decrease. However knowing the majority of the player base I guess they will be taking the easy option regardless of how much it damages the gameplay.

It might affect their precious KDR and knock them down from elite status.

Make uplinks harder to detect and they won't be spammed.

+10 WP for destroying equipment. I'm sure you would see alot less of them. How easily they are to spot makes spamming them necessary. You could also increase the flux grenades equipment destroying ability.

+1 Always a fan of making players think and use awareness(using a needle) then just spamming uplinks that bring people back in 3 seconds. Makes the Needle/CRU abosulutly useless lol. Why would i risk running out and picking somoene up and covering them as they get up when i can just wait 4 seconds for them to be back in the fight... lol


Also lol @ the guy talking about losing and stats... good old DUST forums.

ugh, you would risk that becuase it would cost you a clone. In PC when you are limited to (sometimes) only100 clones, it is important...

thinkbeforeyouspeak sir.

Ok so this is 1 of many feedback posts ive been wanting to make a while but been slackin cuz well......loldust and lolccp listening to feedback for once but here goes.

I have a serious problem with the tactical play in this game when it comes to uplink spam. Seems "tactics" seem to be spam 8-10 uplinks on a point and zerg. Imo that isnt tactics thats poor gameplay balance.

Games that let u use custom spawn points are usually limited to a class thus limiting how many can be active on the field at once cuz no one will all run that one class. Now DUST is different and i dont think it should be limited like that however there are some fixes that could make uplinks more tactical

1. Implement a radius barrier, meaning uplinks cant be placed too close to one another or the previous 1 is destroyed. This prevents ppl from spamming 10 in 1 spot and makes ppl THINK where they need to strategically place their uplinks

2. Equipment jammer, this is more a SoonGäó aka 2015 fix/implementation but how about a piece of equipment that jams/disables enemy equipment in an area?

1st option is something that can be done soon-ish imo

Moving on now.............

Uplink Spam vs Needle spam
IMO i rather see needle spam than uplink spam for various reasons

1. Injector is vastly underused
2. Using the injector is more risk involved than just spamming a million uplinks in a spot
3. Making a medic role actually viable and more important

Plus if a person really thinks about it, here is a piece of logic why needles, are far superior to uplinks in the long term of a match, pub or CB/PC.

Since using an up link means two things: 1) lose a suit/fitting, 2) lose a clone, so if it is close (numerically speaking in the number of clones separating the two teams from each other and from the total clones left available and therefore till the end of the match).

So a team loses less clones, and thereby less suits which turns out to a more cost effective game, i.e., you make ISK. Which isn't that's what it's all about? Making that COLD and HARD ISK!

THe thing is, and I believe this to be itching in the backs of peoples' minds as they make the choice between spawning in or hoping for the needle (and maybe one, two, or more spastic jolts from ground to and down repeatedly) is that will it work this time, and does some one have a beed drawn onto the fool hooking me up with the revive?

Needless to say I would prefer to have the needle going instead of links all the time and make a bit more money per match.

OH! When is PVE coming out??? The needles there would be much more fun!!

Only thing I'll say is this. I run gallente logi. I partially specced gallente logi for the ability to run quad proto links, I can lay down 9 with one fit. If links were given a limit per team I'd adapt, nevertheless I hope it's more than ten. With maps as large as they are your team should never all be in the same place at the same time. If you limited links to 15, that's 5-8 per objective if you're holding 2-3. I just lol at the 10 second timer link spams that pervade some domination matches.

On a different note I'd prefer matches placed like domination where owning the objective doesn't mean you can spawn on it, to make cru's less expendable.

in an ideal world:

uplinks would be scout suit only.

nano hive would be assault/logistics only

needle/rep tool would be logi only

remote charges would be assault and scout only

logistics suits would not be able to fit grenades or light weapons

this would fix allot of issues

uplinks on scouts only would make them a must have in a fight in order to advance or protect a position.

tbh anyone could carry ammo so nano hives isnt an issue.

needle and rep tool only for logistics cuts down needle spam and makes the need for dedicated medics

remote charges on logistics suits is just op as they can carry so many of them. a medic shouldn't have that much power.add that to the no grenades or light weapons puts logistics fully into its support role leaving no margin for it to become an assault or jack of all trades suit.

no more drop uplink spam, no more needle spam, no more remote explosive spam, no more assault logi suits