DUST Search - [Feedback] Uplink Spam vs Needle spam

Kazeno Rannaa wrote:

Mavado V Noriega wrote:

Ok so this is 1 of many feedback posts ive been wanting to make a while but been slackin cuz well......loldust and lolccp listening to feedback for once but here goes.

I have a serious problem with the tactical play in this game when it comes to uplink spam. Seems "tactics" seem to be spam 8-10 uplinks on a point and zerg. Imo that isnt tactics thats poor gameplay balance.

Games that let u use custom spawn points are usually limited to a class thus limiting how many can be active on the field at once cuz no one will all run that one class. Now DUST is different and i dont think it should be limited like that however there are some fixes that could make uplinks more tactical

1. Implement a radius barrier, meaning uplinks cant be placed too close to one another or the previous 1 is destroyed. This prevents ppl from spamming 10 in 1 spot and makes ppl THINK where they need to strategically place their uplinks

2. Equipment jammer, this is more a SoonGäó aka 2015 fix/implementation but how about a piece of equipment that jams/disables enemy equipment in an area?

1st option is something that can be done soon-ish imo

Moving on now.............

Uplink Spam vs Needle spam
IMO i rather see needle spam than uplink spam for various reasons

1. Injector is vastly underused
2. Using the injector is more risk involved than just spamming a million uplinks in a spot
3. Making a medic role actually viable and more important

Plus if a person really thinks about it, here is a piece of logic why needles, are far superior to uplinks in the long term of a match, pub or CB/PC.

Since using an up link means two things: 1) lose a suit/fitting, 2) lose a clone, so if it is close (numerically speaking in the number of clones separating the two teams from each other and from the total clones left available and therefore till the end of the match).

So a team loses less clones, and thereby less suits which turns out to a more cost effective game, i.e., you make ISK. Which isn't that's what it's all about? Making that COLD and HARD ISK! Idea

THe thing is, and I believe this to be itching in the backs of peoples' minds as they make the choice between spawning in or hoping for the needle (and maybe one, two, or more spastic jolts from ground to and down repeatedly) is that will it work this time, and does some one have a beed drawn onto the fool hooking me up with the revive?

Needless to say I would prefer to have the needle going instead of links all the time and make a bit more money per match.

OH! When is PVE coming out??? The needles there would be much more fun!!


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Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1783	Posted - 2013.07.04 10:03:00 - [1] - Quote Yes, the uplink spam is getting out of hand. Starting to see the PC tactic of "10 uplinks per objective" even creep it's way into instant battles and FW now.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1958	Posted - 2013.07.17 23:31:00 - [2] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: Baracka Flocka Flame wrote: +1 Always a fan of making players think and use awareness(using a needle) then just spamming uplinks that bring people back in 3 seconds. Makes the Needle/CRU abosulutly useless lol. Why would i risk running out and picking somoene up and covering them as they get up when i can just wait 4 seconds for them to be back in the fight... lol Also lol @ the guy talking about losing and stats... good old DUST forums. ugh, you would risk that becuase it would cost you a clone. In PC when you are limited to (sometimes) only100 clones, it is important... thinkbeforeyouspeak sir. That would be great if the gameplay in PC actually supported your argument. In reality, PC has the most uplink spam of any gamemode, and spotting an injector in PC is like spotting a unicorn.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1969	Posted - 2013.07.20 00:22:00 - [3] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Ok so this is 1 of many feedback posts ive been wanting to make a while but been slackin cuz well......loldust and lolccp listening to feedback for once but here goes. I have a serious problem with the tactical play in this game when it comes to uplink spam. Seems "tactics" seem to be spam 8-10 uplinks on a point and zerg. Imo that isnt tactics thats poor gameplay balance. Games that let u use custom spawn points are usually limited to a class thus limiting how many can be active on the field at once cuz no one will all run that one class. Now DUST is different and i dont think it should be limited like that however there are some fixes that could make uplinks more tactical 1. Implement a radius barrier, meaning uplinks cant be placed too close to one another or the previous 1 is destroyed. This prevents ppl from spamming 10 in 1 spot and makes ppl THINK where they need to strategically place their uplinks 2. Equipment jammer, this is more a SoonGäó aka 2015 fix/implementation but how about a piece of equipment that jams/disables enemy equipment in an area? 1st option is something that can be done soon-ish imo Moving on now............. Uplink Spam vs Needle spam IMO i rather see needle spam than uplink spam for various reasons 1. Injector is vastly underused 2. Using the injector is more risk involved than just spamming a million uplinks in a spot 3. Making a medic role actually viable and more important Plus if a person really thinks about it, here is a piece of logic why needles, are far superior to uplinks in the long term of a match, pub or CB/PC. Since using an up link means two things: 1) lose a suit/fitting, 2) lose a clone, so if it is close (numerically speaking in the number of clones separating the two teams from each other and from the total clones left available and therefore till the end of the match). So a team loses less clones, and thereby less suits which turns out to a more cost effective game, i.e., you make ISK. Which isn't that's what it's all about? Making that COLD and HARD ISK! THe thing is, and I believe this to be itching in the backs of peoples' minds as they make the choice between spawning in or hoping for the needle (and maybe one, two, or more spastic jolts from ground to and down repeatedly) is that will it work this time, and does some one have a beed drawn onto the fool hooking me up with the revive? Needless to say I would prefer to have the needle going instead of links all the time and make a bit more money per match. OH! When is PVE coming out??? The needles there would be much more fun!! No one but new players who aren't in corporations care about ISK. CCP hands it out like candy, to the point that it's almost entirely irrelevant unless you're a pilot... and most serious pilots are getting stipends from their corp since no running infantry cares about ISK.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2067	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:30:00 - [4] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Only thing I'll say is this. I run gallente logi. I partially specced gallente logi for the ability to run quad proto links, I can lay down 9 with one fit. If links were given a limit per team I'd adapt, nevertheless I hope it's more than ten. With maps as large as they are your team should never all be in the same place at the same time. If you limited links to 15, that's 5-8 per objective if you're holding 2-3. I just lol at the 10 second timer link spams that pervade some domination matches. On a different note I'd prefer matches placed like domination where owning the objective doesn't mean you can spawn on it, to make cru's less expendable. I definitely agree with you on removing the objective spawning from Skirmish. I can't, off the top of my head, think of another single multiplayer FPS that lets you spawn on the capture points. As far as the uplinks, I think 5-8 per objective is still clearly what most would consider "uplink spam." I'd say 16 total per team would be more than adequate. That's an uplink for every guy on the field. On a 5 point map that's still 3+ per objective, which seems like a pretty fair compromise. Even though, like you point out, for an average match that's still 5-8 per objective (since the objectives will be split between teams in a decent matchup), which IMO is completely ridiculous. But at least it would be an improvement over the current trend of 30+ per team that we currently see in "serious" matches.