DUST Search - [Feedback] Uplink Spam vs Needle spam

Laurent Cazaderon wrote:

Mavado V Noriega wrote:

Ok so this is 1 of many feedback posts ive been wanting to make a while but been slackin cuz well......loldust and lolccp listening to feedback for once but here goes.

I have a serious problem with the tactical play in this game when it comes to uplink spam. Seems "tactics" seem to be spam 8-10 uplinks on a point and zerg. Imo that isnt tactics thats poor gameplay balance.

Games that let u use custom spawn points are usually limited to a class thus limiting how many can be active on the field at once cuz no one will all run that one class. Now DUST is different and i dont think it should be limited like that however there are some fixes that could make uplinks more tactical

1. Implement a radius barrier, meaning uplinks cant be placed too close to one another or the previous 1 is destroyed. This prevents ppl from spamming 10 in 1 spot and makes ppl THINK where they need to strategically place their uplinks

2. Equipment jammer, this is more a SoonGäó aka 2015 fix/implementation but how about a piece of equipment that jams/disables enemy equipment in an area?

1st option is something that can be done soon-ish imo

Moving on now.............

Uplink Spam vs Needle spam
IMO i rather see needle spam than uplink spam for various reasons

1. Injector is vastly underused
2. Using the injector is more risk involved than just spamming a million uplinks in a spot
3. Making a medic role actually viable and more important

I think Uplinks are spammed for 2 main reasons :

1. Many assault in logi suits have tons of equipment slot and pg\cpu so they carry them all the time (i know i did...)
2. Drop Uplinks are too easily spotted on the mini map so spamming them since to be the only way to make sure some will survive when close to the enemy.
3. injectors were broken for months.

Now, even if you fix 1) people can still swap between suits at a depot, drop the uplinks and go back to whatever suit they want. If 2. is fixed, well spamming them will be even worse.

Maybe a team limit of how many Uplinks can be up at once ? But then, how do you make it work ? newest uplink dropped kills the oldest one ? Could lead to very frustrating situations where the blueberry screws you by dropping a useless uplink and thus destroying your very well located one.

I like the limit per people. At the moment, if you have DU lvl 5 and you take both R9 and quantum, you can drop 5 (4?) at once. That's huge. I also like the limited to logi thing. It's not rare in EVE to have specific equipment limited to specific ships. Like cover ops modules or extra drone slot modules for super carriers.


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Lunamaria Hawkeye SyNergy Gaming EoN. 203	Posted - 2013.07.04 15:17:00 - [1] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Ok so this is 1 of many feedback posts ive been wanting to make a while but been slackin cuz well......loldust and lolccp listening to feedback for once but here goes. I have a serious problem with the tactical play in this game when it comes to uplink spam. Seems "tactics" seem to be spam 8-10 uplinks on a point and zerg. Imo that isnt tactics thats poor gameplay balance. Games that let u use custom spawn points are usually limited to a class thus limiting how many can be active on the field at once cuz no one will all run that one class. Now DUST is different and i dont think it should be limited like that however there are some fixes that could make uplinks more tactical 1. Implement a radius barrier, meaning uplinks cant be placed too close to one another or the previous 1 is destroyed. This prevents ppl from spamming 10 in 1 spot and makes ppl THINK where they need to strategically place their uplinks 2. Equipment jammer, this is more a SoonGäó aka 2015 fix/implementation but how about a piece of equipment that jams/disables enemy equipment in an area? 1st option is something that can be done soon-ish imo Moving on now............. Uplink Spam vs Needle spam IMO i rather see needle spam than uplink spam for various reasons 1. Injector is vastly underused 2. Using the injector is more risk involved than just spamming a million uplinks in a spot 3. Making a medic role actually viable and more important I think Uplinks are spammed for 2 main reasons : 1. Many assault in logi suits have tons of equipment slot and pg\cpu so they carry them all the time (i know i did...) 2. Drop Uplinks are too easily spotted on the mini map so spamming them since to be the only way to make sure some will survive when close to the enemy. 3. injectors were broken for months. Now, even if you fix 1) people can still swap between suits at a depot, drop the uplinks and go back to whatever suit they want. If 2. is fixed, well spamming them will be even worse. Maybe a team limit of how many Uplinks can be up at once ? But then, how do you make it work ? newest uplink dropped kills the oldest one ? Could lead to very frustrating situations where the blueberry screws you by dropping a useless uplink and thus destroying your very well located one. I like the limit per people. At the moment, if you have DU lvl 5 and you take both R9 and quantum, you can drop 5 (4?) at once. That's huge. I also like the limited to logi thing. It's not rare in EVE to have specific equipment limited to specific ships. Like cover ops modules or extra drone slot modules for super carriers. Well you mention problems with blueberries, imo the drop uplink spam isnt as much a problem in pub games, though I admit I have seen a few corps taking their pro uplink strats from PC and using them in pub games. Idk if they are trying to get WP or just die a lot, probably both tbh. As far as your EVE comparison goes, modules are restricted in a way that makes sense, to prevent some obvious silliness (for instance covert ops cloaks on every ship). I don't think that uplinks present the same balance issue. There is nothing inherently OP or broken about an assault carrying an uplink. My problem is that there is no tradeoff or counterplay for doing so. Everyone has so many equipment slots in PC games (high end suits), you are not really losing anything by throwing an uplink on your fit. I think a few things could be done to fix this, some of which are mentioned above. 1. Equipment jammers seem like the most obvious solution. I think this would provide an outstanding counterplay to uplink spam. It would encourage more thoughtful placement of uplinks. As Mavado mentioned this is probably not the most easily implemented solution, but I see no reason why CCP would be unable to do this. 2. Drastically increase the fitting requirements of an uplink to the point where you are actually sacrificing other equipment or modules to fit one. In EVE a great deal of the balance comes from PG and CPU requirements, and it is an amazing way to add balance to the game without specifically limiting players to what can and can't be fit on a ship. Imo this mechanism is underused in DUST. If this were implemented I think logis would become the primary drop uplink users due to their high PG and CPU, but it would not specifically limit uplinks to logi suits. 3. Uplinks placed too close together destroy each other, or something to this effect. It was suggested above, just repeating it.
Lunamaria Hawkeye SyNergy Gaming EoN. 204	Posted - 2013.07.04 18:04:00 - [2] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: I also like the limited to logi thing. It's not rare in EVE to have specific equipment limited to specific ships. Like cover ops modules or extra drone slot modules for super carriers. 2. Drastically increase the fitting requirements of an uplink to the point where you are actually sacrificing other equipment or modules to fit one. In EVE a great deal of the balance comes from PG and CPU requirements, and it is an amazing way to add balance to the game without specifically limiting players to what can and can't be fit on a ship. Imo this mechanism is underused in DUST. If this were implemented I think logis would become the primary drop uplink users due to their high PG and CPU, but it would not specifically limit uplinks to logi suits. Both these ideas are terrible simply because that kills one of the roles of scouts (one of the few we have atm). How am I supposed to slip past enemies and provide a spawn point for my team behind the enemy or at an enemy held objective if I can't carry uplinks? Quite frankly I dont care about your scout suit problems.