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Chances Ghost Inf4m0us ROFL BROS 198	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:26:00 - [1] - Quote mass drivers have been restored to their former glory as a viable crowd control and terror weapon just a PSA for those who haven't noticed in fact one game i joined had as many as 7 people running around with them including me and a few corp mates. the satisfying clonk of the mass driver will again instill terror as it was meant to.
Skipper Jones Red Star. EoN. 229	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:28:00 - [2] - Quote I know!!! . My babies are back. Welcome back Mass driver. Welcome back
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us ROFL BROS 198	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:31:00 - [3] - Quote Skipper Jones wrote: I know!!! . My babies are back. Welcome back Mass driver. Welcome back im spending this weeks points maxing them out for awesome fun times
Michael Arck sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance 68	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:36:00 - [4] - Quote I just like saying "Massholes"
XXfootnoteXX DUST University Ivy League 377	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:36:00 - [5] - Quote Hm... considering I havn't played in a few weeks, I have about 800k in SP to completly throw at MD's
Medic 1879 Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 542	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:43:00 - [6] - Quote Massholing lives again!
Skipper Jones Red Star. EoN. 229	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:45:00 - [7] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Skipper Jones wrote: I know!!! . My babies are back. Welcome back Mass driver. Welcome back im spending this weeks points maxing them out for awesome fun times Same. I spent some of my points today just so I could use the STD version. I missed them .
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1197	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:48:00 - [8] - Quote Shhh, you guys are going to get nerfed again if you make it so more than 50% of an office uses them. Hopefully nobody in any offices are reading this.
Dust Racer 8 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:52:00 - [9] - Quote Definately back to there former glory if not even better. Its easier to shell from farther ranges and consistently get hit markers. Now that mds are working better I cant help but feel that there's going to be qq threads coming
Makuta Miserix Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 109	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:55:00 - [10] - Quote Dust Racer 8 wrote: Definately back to there former glory if not even better. Its easier to shell from farther ranges and consistently get hit markers. Now that mds are working better I cant help but feel that there's going to be qq threads coming I know. Well hopefully it's worth it!

Cody Sietz Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 350	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:56:00 - [11] - Quote Hmmm, better start a forum post to get the support of the people and get MDs nerfed since they are crazy OP (as you describe them OP) THank you for the heads up good citizen.
Medic 1879 Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 545	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:01:00 - [12] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Hmmm, better start a forum post to get the support of the people and get MDs nerfed since they are crazy OP (as you describe them OP) THank you for the heads up good citizen. I will stop repping and reviving you if you go through with this Cody.
Makuta Miserix Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 109	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:02:00 - [13] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Hmmm, better start a forum post to get the support of the people and get MDs nerfed since they are crazy OP (as you describe them OP) THank you for the heads up good citizen. Do you wish too die? No? Then follow the advice of this 'good citizen', and don't even think about it.
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 97	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:02:00 - [14] - Quote well just think each race has a assault rifle(soon) and light AV weapon(eventually), a specialty weapon(all are here) sidearm(soon) and a Heavy weapon(probably in a heavy oriented update) still AR's 2 exist 2 coming Specialty Weapons 3 working(sniper,shotty,MD) 1 broke(LR) Light AV 2 exist 2 coming sidearm 3 races but 4 weapons all here 3 fine 1 a little OP Heavy weapon 2 exist 2 coming
Cody Sietz Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 350	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:07:00 - [15] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Hmmm, better start a forum post to get the support of the people and get MDs nerfed since they are crazy OP (as you describe them OP) THank you for the heads up good citizen. I will stop repping and reviving you if you go through with this Cody. You know I had to man xD
zzZaXxx The Exemplars Top Men. 51	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:08:00 - [16] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: mass drivers have been restored to their former glory as a viable crowd control and terror weapon just a PSA for those who haven't noticed in fact one game i joined had as many as 7 people running around with them including me and a few corp mates. the satisfying clonk of the mass driver will again instill terror as it was meant to. Can you be more specific as to how they have changed? If they have shields just became even more OP.
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 179	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:09:00 - [17] - Quote I won't say it's better than ever, since overall shielding has increased in Uprising from Chrome, but it is nice to have it viable again. There was no reason to use any MD other than Boundless Assault before this fix.
Medic 1879 Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 546	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:09:00 - [18] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Hmmm, better start a forum post to get the support of the people and get MDs nerfed since they are crazy OP (as you describe them OP) THank you for the heads up good citizen. I will stop repping and reviving you if you go through with this Cody. You know I had to man xD Hmm I will let you off this time however remember I am a logi therefore in PC matches I have a tendency to be behind you and FF is on and accidents do happen from time to time.
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 97	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:11:00 - [19] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: mass drivers have been restored to their former glory as a viable crowd control and terror weapon just a PSA for those who haven't noticed in fact one game i joined had as many as 7 people running around with them including me and a few corp mates. the satisfying clonk of the mass driver will again instill terror as it was meant to. Can you be more specific as to how they have changed? If they have shields just became even more OP. True but shields are about right feeling wise when I tank with them Armor seems to not be the high HP low Regen that it should be.
Cody Sietz Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 352	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:14:00 - [20] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Hmmm, better start a forum post to get the support of the people and get MDs nerfed since they are crazy OP (as you describe them OP) THank you for the heads up good citizen. I will stop repping and reviving you if you go through with this Cody. You know I had to man xD Hmm I will let you off this time however remember I am a logi therefore in PC matches I have a tendency to be behind you and FF is on and accidents do happen from time to time. Damn it man! Your a doctor! Aw, who am I kidding...I usually die in the first 8 secs anyway xD


CCP Wolfman C C P C C P Alliance 507	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:18:00 - [21] - Quote Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman

Medic 1879 Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 547	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:20:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman But in 1.1 splash for standard MD was 3m now its 4m did I go crazy?
Thor McStrut Reckoners 34	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:21:00 - [23] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: mass drivers have been restored to their former glory as a viable crowd control and terror weapon just a PSA for those who haven't noticed in fact one game i joined had as many as 7 people running around with them including me and a few corp mates. the satisfying clonk of the mass driver will again instill terror as it was meant to. Can you be more specific as to how they have changed? If they have shields just became even more OP. MD got a mild radius buff and the desynch and splash damage issues resolved. The smoke from the explosion is slightly better, but not as good as Chromo. The Chromo arc has not returned, it is still the flatter Uprising trajectory. But because of that, you can get some impressive range. My longest kill from early Uprising was 115m, last night I got several kills around the 80m mark. With the desynch issue solved, aiming will be much more predictable and expect people to be able to reach out to 100m+ consistently.
Medic 1879 Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 547	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:21:00 - [24] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Hmmm, better start a forum post to get the support of the people and get MDs nerfed since they are crazy OP (as you describe them OP) THank you for the heads up good citizen. I will stop repping and reviving you if you go through with this Cody. You know I had to man xD Hmm I will let you off this time however remember I am a logi therefore in PC matches I have a tendency to be behind you and FF is on and accidents do happen from time to time. Damn it man! Your a doctor! Aw, who am I kidding...I usually die in the first 8 secs anyway xD Thats what you get for thinking real men dont need inertial dampeners.
NaglfarBP Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 38	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:22:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman Excellent work, the MD feels much better! Now, add a tiny bit of splash range pls?
Thor McStrut Reckoners 34	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:23:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman EXO is now 4.2. It's def improoo... I mean, It's worse.. Nothing changed, nothing to see here..
MASS DR1V3R KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 34	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:44:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman Sorry Dev, you're wrong. The blast radius stats got buffed. Uprising 1.1 blast radius stats: STD - 3m ADV - 3.1m Proto - 3.3m Uprising 1.2 blast radius stats: STD - 4m ADV - 4.2m Proto -4.4m
dustwaffle Ill Omens EoN. 142	Posted - 2013.07.04 02:01:00 - [28] - Quote And here I was wondering why I've been getting hit by a lot more explosive rounds since 1.2 Nice work, more variety to stuff that shoots at me/kills me is always nice!
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers EoN. 140	Posted - 2013.07.04 02:18:00 - [29] - Quote It is a viable area denial weapon again. I am satisfied for the moment. I was wondering about it's effectiveness against shields however. One Dev blog I read stated that it was supposed to be 80% damage against shields, but when I target a player with full shields, the target effectiveness indicator only reads 70%. Is there something that I am missing here, or is it doing less damage to shields than intended?
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards 90	Posted - 2013.07.04 02:19:00 - [30] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: And here I was wondering why I've been getting hit by a lot more explosive rounds since 1.2 Nice work, more variety to stuff that shoots at me/kills me is always nice! totally agree variety is definintly good.

dustwaffle Ill Omens EoN. 142	Posted - 2013.07.04 02:23:00 - [31] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: It is a viable area denial weapon again. I am satisfied for the moment. I was wondering about it's effectiveness against shields however. One Dev blog I read stated that it was supposed to be 80% damage against shields, but when I target a player with full shields, the target effectiveness indicator only reads 70%. Is there something that I am missing here, or is it doing less damage to shields than intended? Could it be due to a less than direct hit? Dunno
Andius Fidelitas The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 89	Posted - 2013.07.04 03:25:00 - [32] - Quote Seeing how effectively I am getting murdered by Mass Drivers, it made me kinda giddy and ragy at the same time. Still, this is a positive step in finally seeing other weapons becoming viable and genuine threat.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 326	Posted - 2013.07.04 03:46:00 - [33] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman I'm worried for the future of this game...
MASS DR1V3R KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 35	Posted - 2013.07.04 03:52:00 - [34] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman I'm worried for the future of this game... That was my exact thought when I read that post.
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 189	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:10:00 - [35] - Quote NaglfarBP wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman Excellent work, the MD feels much better! Now, add a tiny bit of splash range pls? skill into it and you get splash range on all of them stop asking for buffs...
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers EoN. 140	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:12:00 - [36] - Quote The radius reduction of 1.0 and 1.1 was necessary because of the range reduction in all weapons. Less range = More CQC = Stronger Mass Driverl The additional range given to other weapons again required a tweak to the mass driver splash radius. This time they changed it from 3.0(std) /3.1(Adv)/ 3.3(pro) to 4/4.2/4.4. CCP definitely changed the values, even if they don't realize it(you should probably check the game stats or ask someone who might know before responding to these things). I am almost certain that the item value change isn't just cosmetic, and is actually reflected in game. A lot easier to hit shots and also kill yourself.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1415	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:13:00 - [37] - Quote MASS DR1V3R wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman Sorry Dev, you're wrong. The blast radius stats got buffed. Uprising 1.1 blast radius stats: STD - 3m ADV - 3.1m Proto - 3.3m Uprising 1.2 blast radius stats: STD - 4m ADV - 4.2m Proto -4.4m What I don't get is why would a change be made without a dev blog and player feedback thread?
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us ROFL BROS 200	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:28:00 - [38] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: MASS DR1V3R wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman Sorry Dev, you're wrong. The blast radius stats got buffed. Uprising 1.1 blast radius stats: STD - 3m ADV - 3.1m Proto - 3.3m Uprising 1.2 blast radius stats: STD - 4m ADV - 4.2m Proto -4.4m What I don't get is why would a change be made without a dev blog and player feedback thread? nobody was using the mass driver before the change, now i see at least one every game
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4391	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:32:00 - [39] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: nobody was using the mass driver before the change, now i see at least one every game I'm a Heavy, explosive things in Uprising make me sad :(
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 281	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:46:00 - [40] - Quote But what will Cosgar say?

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3014	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:54:00 - [41] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: MASS DR1V3R wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman Sorry Dev, you're wrong. The blast radius stats got buffed. Uprising 1.1 blast radius stats: STD - 3m ADV - 3.1m Proto - 3.3m Uprising 1.2 blast radius stats: STD - 4m ADV - 4.2m Proto -4.4m What I don't get is why would a change be made without a dev blog and player feedback thread? nobody was using the mass driver before the change, now i see at least one every game WTF are you talking about? I was seeing mass drivers in at least one in each game even before 1.2.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us ROFL BROS 200	Posted - 2013.07.04 05:08:00 - [42] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: MASS DR1V3R wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman Sorry Dev, you're wrong. The blast radius stats got buffed. Uprising 1.1 blast radius stats: STD - 3m ADV - 3.1m Proto - 3.3m Uprising 1.2 blast radius stats: STD - 4m ADV - 4.2m Proto -4.4m What I don't get is why would a change be made without a dev blog and player feedback thread? nobody was using the mass driver before the change, now i see at least one every game WTF are you talking about? I was seeing mass drivers in at least one in each game even before 1.2. well what i am talking about are my own personal observations and experiance from my perspective mass drivers were rare before, and now i see multiple a game and before i rarely saw a single one. its called a personal anecdote, others experiances may vary
MASS DR1V3R KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 36	Posted - 2013.07.04 05:12:00 - [43] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: MASS DR1V3R wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman Sorry Dev, you're wrong. The blast radius stats got buffed. Uprising 1.1 blast radius stats: STD - 3m ADV - 3.1m Proto - 3.3m Uprising 1.2 blast radius stats: STD - 4m ADV - 4.2m Proto -4.4m What I don't get is why would a change be made without a dev blog and player feedback thread? Yeah, I never would have guessed that they would do an ignorant denial stealth buff.

CCP Remnant C C P C C P Alliance 402	Posted - 2013.07.04 05:48:00 - [44] - Quote It's not Wolfman's fault. He asked me if I'd made any changes to the Mass Driver and I told him none that I could recall. I later checked my change history and I had increased the splash damage up from 3m to 4m... back in May. We're often working in a build that has enough differences to the live build that it can be hard to remember when/if a single stat was changed. I apologize for the misinformation. All derpishness in this matter can be traced back to me.

Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 100	Posted - 2013.07.04 05:52:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: It's not Wolfman's fault. He asked me if I'd made any changes to the Mass Driver and I told him none that I could recall. I later checked my change history and I had increased the splash damage up from 3m to 4m... back in May. We're often working in a build that has enough differences to the live build that it can be hard to remember when/if a single stat was changed. I apologize for the misinformation. All derpishness in this matter can be traced back to me. It's fine please don't change it back it seems like it's balenced the AR's can touch me from across the map.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 1789	Posted - 2013.07.04 05:57:00 - [46] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: It's not Wolfman's fault. He asked me if I'd made any changes to the Mass Driver and I told him none that I could recall. I later checked my change history and I had increased the splash damage up from 3m to 4m... back in May. We're often working in a build that has enough differences to the live build that it can be hard to remember when/if a single stat was changed. I apologize for the misinformation. All derpishness in this matter can be traced back to me. All good brosef. Feel free to take my post down.
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 80	Posted - 2013.07.04 06:00:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: It's not Wolfman's fault. He asked me if I'd made any changes to the Mass Driver and I told him none that I could recall. I later checked my change history and I had increased the splash damage up from 3m to 4m... back in May. We're often working in a build that has enough differences to the live build that it can be hard to remember when/if a single stat was changed. I apologize for the misinformation. All derpishness in this matter can be traced back to me. can you also increase the effective range for the hmg to 45m plz or increase our turn speed since we are supposed to be close range specialist
The Cobra Commander Bojo's School of the Trades 53	Posted - 2013.07.04 06:08:00 - [48] - Quote MASS DR1V3R wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman I'm worried for the future of this game... That was my exact thought when I read that post. It's like they don't play the game...
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 259	Posted - 2013.07.04 06:15:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: It's not Wolfman's fault. I had increased the splash damage up from 3m to 4m... back in May. Why does it seem that you aren't a real company serious about gaming, but rather a frat house who does cool stuff instead of get arrested for being drunk? Seriously. Do you even know each other. Have you ever actually sat down and ate a sandwich with Blam!? Because if not, I kinda get it. Otherwise, if yes... I just...
SERPENT-Adamapple Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 106	Posted - 2013.07.04 06:18:00 - [50] - Quote The Cobra Commander wrote: MASS DR1V3R wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman I'm worried for the future of this game... That was my exact thought when I read that post. It's like they don't play the game... Stop knocking on them @$$-0, He came out with a formal apology and you still have to be a jerk. They have data going all the way back to May, so be considerate about mistakes, everyone makes them.

Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2177	Posted - 2013.07.04 06:20:00 - [51] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: But what will Cosgar say? My first match in 1.2 was at the complex where I threw a flux grenade into a heavily camped room, unloaded some EXO-5 rounds and got a quadruple kill. CCP Remnant wrote: It's not Wolfman's fault. He asked me if I'd made any changes to the Mass Driver and I told him none that I could recall. I later checked my change history and I had increased the splash damage up from 3m to 4m... back in May. We're often working in a build that has enough differences to the live build that it can be hard to remember when/if a single stat was changed. I apologize for the misinformation. All derpishness in this matter can be traced back to me. No worries, all we wanted was for our area denial weapon to be an actual area denial weapon again. The blast radius is in a great spot, bringing back the smoke was a great addition and since the Uprising nerf, many of us massholes only got better. Once the secondary skills are more weapon specific, investing SP into ammo capacity might make up for the lack of supply depots and the nanohive nerf. Also, I just wanted to apologize for all the rants and rave posts from earlier. I don't envy you and Wofman for having to put up with us when you're just trying to do your job, no hard feelings.
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 259	Posted - 2013.07.04 06:25:00 - [52] - Quote SERPENT-Adamapple wrote: They have data going all the way back to May I'm glad we agree.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 176	Posted - 2013.07.04 06:51:00 - [53] - Quote Now let's put missiles back to their former glory
Kody Cole Dem Durrty Boyz 13	Posted - 2013.07.04 07:04:00 - [54] - Quote i understand its a mistake, but fix it quick please.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2180	Posted - 2013.07.04 07:07:00 - [55] - Quote Kody Cole wrote: i understand its a mistake, but fix it quick please. What exactly do you mean by fix?
Kody Cole Dem Durrty Boyz 13	Posted - 2013.07.04 07:19:00 - [56] - Quote This Sorry Dev, you're wrong. The blast radius stats got buffed. Uprising 1.1 blast radius stats: STD - 3m ADV - 3.1m Proto - 3.3m Uprising 1.2 blast radius stats: STD - 4m ADV - 4.2m Proto -4.4m
MASS DR1V3R KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 36	Posted - 2013.07.04 07:53:00 - [57] - Quote Stats are awesome now. MD is completely balanced. I love it more than I ever did before.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 47	Posted - 2013.07.04 08:35:00 - [58] - Quote Its nice seeing these again, kind of missed them. They are still no Flaylock in the amount of Dmg they deal in a short period but are good for fleshing guys out. Hate fighting 1v1 now so many people just aim at my feet.
xSir Campsalotx D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 13	Posted - 2013.07.04 08:58:00 - [59] - Quote I'm glad y'all got your MD back with increased splash (ninja armor nerf) but now armor tankers are gonna be hurting even more, now to fix the armor!
xSir Campsalotx D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 13	Posted - 2013.07.04 09:01:00 - [60] - Quote DoomLead wrote: CCP Remnant wrote: It's not Wolfman's fault. He asked me if I'd made any changes to the Mass Driver and I told him none that I could recall. I later checked my change history and I had increased the splash damage up from 3m to 4m... back in May. We're often working in a build that has enough differences to the live build that it can be hard to remember when/if a single stat was changed. I apologize for the misinformation. All derpishness in this matter can be traced back to me. can you also increase the effective range for the hmg to 45m plz or increase our turn speed since we are supposed to be close range specialist Ill take damage or range for my beloved HMG either or.

Denak Kalamari BurgezzE.T.F 194	Posted - 2013.07.04 09:22:00 - [61] - Quote Colonel Killar wrote: well just think each race has a assault rifle(soon) and light AV weapon(eventually), a specialty weapon(all are here) sidearm(soon) and a Heavy weapon(probably in a heavy oriented update) still AR's 2 exist 2 coming Specialty Weapons 3 working(sniper,shotty,MD) 1 broke(LR) Light AV 2 exist 2 coming sidearm 3 races but 4 weapons all here 3 fine 1 a little OP Heavy weapon 2 exist 2 coming The nova knife is a class of it's own and doesn't count to the same class of sidearms as pistols. Currently we have the Minmatar and Amarr pistols and Caldari nova knives, we're still waiting for the other knife variants plus the Gallente plasma pistol and Caldari railpistol. But otherwise you're correct
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2186	Posted - 2013.07.04 09:28:00 - [62] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: I'm glad y'all got your MD back with increased splash (ninja armor nerf) but now armor tankers are gonna be hurting even more, now to fix the armor! Any self respecting masshole carries flux grenades so it's a huge nerf to shields. When I see CaLogis, it's like my birthday.
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 221	Posted - 2013.07.04 10:08:00 - [63] - Quote running the MD full time now. Goodbye AR.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 387	Posted - 2013.07.04 13:38:00 - [64] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: Ill take damage or range for my beloved HMG either or. Your beloved HMG already did great damage, and it got the range it needed for suppression with the 1.2 update. Rejoice, fellow fattie.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 42	Posted - 2013.07.05 01:13:00 - [65] - Quote I logged in this morning for some 3x SP badassness, and it was great to see the Massholes channel overflowing with fellow massholians. I hope it stays that way, and we can run stacked squads of MDs. It's gonna be brutal. :D
Welcoming Grave Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.07.05 01:27:00 - [66] - Quote Thanks for fixing my main CCP. I was growing bored being forced to spec into AR this whole time. Hopefully the MD will be feared once again on the battlefield!
DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 33	Posted - 2013.07.05 01:28:00 - [67] - Quote The flay lock and mass driver damange need to be switched
MASS DR1V3R KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 37	Posted - 2013.07.05 03:17:00 - [68] - Quote DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo wrote: The flay lock and mass driver damange need to be switched That extra splash would be nice, but I'm not sure I'm ready to give up my direct damage. How else am I going to one shot unshielded infantry or make LAVs run away?
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 241	Posted - 2013.07.05 06:48:00 - [69] - Quote saw this thread. specced into them immediatley. no lies here. the hit detection is back and we are owning.
Cosgar ParagonX 2211	Posted - 2013.07.05 07:12:00 - [70] - Quote MASS DR1V3R wrote: DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo wrote: The flay lock and mass driver damange need to be switched That extra splash would be nice, but I'm not sure I'm ready to give up my direct damage. How else am I going to one shot unshielded infantry or make LAVs run away?

Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 104	Posted - 2013.07.05 07:44:00 - [71] - Quote Cosgar wrote: MASS DR1V3R wrote: DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo wrote: The flay lock and mass driver damange need to be switched That extra splash would be nice, but I'm not sure I'm ready to give up my direct damage. How else am I going to one shot unshielded infantry or make LAVs run away? Cosgar you went to paragon? not that I don't blame you... with where TUL is going I'm still going around before settling there or at another corp that also has ex-darkstars but I'll keep this guy in the alliance just to see where things are going. to those not in the unholy leigon of Darkstar attack them now they are 5 good players 30 decent players and a bunch of blueberries... yes Pyrex I just said that... what will you do? Still the MD is fine and works well don't change it.
Cosgar ParagonX 2212	Posted - 2013.07.05 07:49:00 - [72] - Quote Colonel Killar wrote: Cosgar wrote: MASS DR1V3R wrote: DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo wrote: The flay lock and mass driver damange need to be switched That extra splash would be nice, but I'm not sure I'm ready to give up my direct damage. How else am I going to one shot unshielded infantry or make LAVs run away? Cosgar you went to paragon? not that I don't blame you... with where TUL is going I'm still going around before settling there or at another corp that also has ex-darkstars but I'll keep this guy in the alliance just to see where things are going. to those not in the unholy leigon of Darkstar attack them now they are 5 good players 30 decent players and a bunch of blueberries... yes Pyrex I just said that... what will you do? Still the MD is fine and works well don't change it. I'm not the kind of person to air out personal drama, let's have this discussion in game.
Killar-12 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 12	Posted - 2013.07.05 08:10:00 - [73] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Colonel Killar wrote: Cosgar wrote: MASS DR1V3R wrote: DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo wrote: The flay lock and mass driver damange need to be switched That extra splash would be nice, but I'm not sure I'm ready to give up my direct damage. How else am I going to one shot unshielded infantry or make LAVs run away? Cosgar you went to paragon? not that I don't blame you... with where TUL is going I'm still going around before settling there or at another corp that also has ex-darkstars but I'll keep this guy in the alliance just to see where things are going. to those not in the unholy leigon of Darkstar attack them now they are 5 good players 30 decent players and a bunch of blueberries... yes Pyrex I just said that... what will you do? Still the MD is fine and works well don't change it. I'm not the kind of person to air out personal drama, let's have this discussion in game. sorry bout that, still I'll air my drama just not on my main toon he's the type I keep it professional with and I won't carry on this discussion here that is... and watch as TUL members aruond the world start trying to get vengence... I'll take the middle route and try my own path... okay, need to make the post a little more MD related so anyone think about the idea of a flux MD?
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 162	Posted - 2013.07.05 08:55:00 - [74] - Quote MD is working so well people are speccing into sniping in droves lol
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 142	Posted - 2013.07.05 09:18:00 - [75] - Quote A Commando corp mate seemed to enjoy running dual MDs. Our baby is back, good bye AR.
MASS DR1V3R KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 40	Posted - 2013.07.05 10:36:00 - [76] - Quote Cosgar wrote: MASS DR1V3R wrote: DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo wrote: The flay lock and mass driver damange need to be switched That extra splash would be nice, but I'm not sure I'm ready to give up my direct damage. How else am I going to one shot unshielded infantry or make LAVs run away?
Sotapopthegrey gay Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 25	Posted - 2013.07.05 11:13:00 - [77] - Quote the only problem with MD is people use them as a CQC weapon.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission 1496	Posted - 2013.07.05 11:42:00 - [78] - Quote Dust is the first fpe (first-person 'explosive'er). Congrats CCP
XxGhazbaranxX The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 96	Posted - 2013.07.05 11:52:00 - [79] - Quote Thank You CCP. My faith has been restored.
Schecter 666 Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.07.05 11:55:00 - [80] - Quote Good to know. Specced into mass driver on this account with 2m SP and was severely disappointed. But now that they're back I should check this account, must have 1m passive SP saved up. I feel like an idiot that I neglected this alt and didn't issue a respect ticket for it. Specced up to proto without realising what a waste of money proto is. gonna do proficiency and damage mods if they're not already upgraded. the best bet for MD users who just want some fun and to try out this weapon is to get an ADV MD, proficiency and damage mods, forget armour and shieds go for a glass cannon loadout. at least that's what I'll be doing if the splash/hit detection truly has been fixed.

TXSnowman Pro Hic Immortalis 16	Posted - 2013.07.05 15:01:00 - [81] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Dust is the first fpe (first-person 'explosive'er). Congrats CCP Fear not, most of the new MD users don't know what they are doing.
Cosgar ParagonX 2216	Posted - 2013.07.05 15:13:00 - [82] - Quote TXSnowman wrote: Fear not, most of the new MD users don't know what they are doing. QFT
TEBOW BAGGINS Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 646	Posted - 2013.07.05 15:17:00 - [83] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Hi WeGÇÖve not made any changes to the Mass Driver stats. After the issues that were reported (and we saw ourselves) we investigated and found some problems below the surface. What we have done is improve our checks for splash damage and fix a client/server de-sync issue that would sometimes cause them to be inaccurate. CCP Wolfman awesome bro thanks for fixing it i had adapted to the broken MD now this fix is total bliss
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4428	Posted - 2013.07.05 19:03:00 - [84] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Dust is the first fpe (first-person 'explosive'er). Congrats CCP It's at least nice knowing that CCP caters to the lower end of the totem pole


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