We say we want content - then cry when we get it - why is that?

Simple - Take a look at assaults and logi - pretty cool they have all there variants and if they upgrade light weapons it'll effect all there suits equally.

Now look at commando - what heavy skills will effect it? It may as well be a glorified assault. It's not a heavy friendly suit - we're going to have to dump SP into new weapons to get - which means more grinding. Assault users will probably find more of a home with it then we will - all we'll have over them is the basic Heavy Frame SP already spent - but they'll have a few Light Weapons already which equates to them saving more SP over-all if they went AR/MD

Will it have a smaller hitbox even in the slightest? If not it's range confrontation is going to be frustrating - every bullet that lands jukes the weapon slightly and makes return fire a challenge. I ran AR heavy since June of last year till December of last year - and finally decided it wasn't possible for an AR heavy to stay competitive - so what has been done to change this? 2 light weapon slots? The only hope the commando will have in competitive play will be equipping a MD for the spams then AR to finish it off - but it'll still be slow - so what role on the battlefield will it enjoy? Defense support?

I think if CCP is to continue releasing suits like this it should come with an explanation of how they see it being used - because as it stands the commando suit just seems like a pub stomp suit.

Note: This is ofc - just my opinion.

I think the commando is an interesting idea but i have a bad feeling these guys will be HAV hunters, and HAV's have enough of those right? anyway i thank CCP for the new content even if it imbalances the game a bit

Suppose the effectiveness of the suit will depend on the slot layout. Are they giving them equipment
slots does anyone know? And the QQing will roll onto something else next week...circle of Dust and
all that

According to CCPs video... the proto variant has 1 equip, 2 highs, and 1 low... and maybe a grenade slot I don't remember.

Suppose the effectiveness of the suit will depend on the slot layout. Are they giving them equipment
slots does anyone know? And the QQing will roll onto something else next week...circle of Dust and
all that

We say we want content - then cry when we get it - why is that?

Simple - Take a look at assaults and logi - pretty cool they have all there variants and if they upgrade light weapons it'll effect all there suits equally.

Now look at commando - what heavy skills will effect it? It may as well be a glorified assault. It's not a heavy friendly suit - we're going to have to dump SP into new weapons to get - which means more grinding. Assault users will probably find more of a home with it then we will - all we'll have over them is the basic Heavy Frame SP already spent - but they'll have a few Light Weapons already which equates to them saving more SP over-all if they went AR/MD

Will it have a smaller hitbox even in the slightest? If not it's range confrontation is going to be frustrating - every bullet that lands jukes the weapon slightly and makes return fire a challenge. I ran AR heavy since June of last year till December of last year - and finally decided it wasn't possible for an AR heavy to stay competitive - so what has been done to change this? 2 light weapon slots? The only hope the commando will have in competitive play will be equipping a MD for the spams then AR to finish it off - but it'll still be slow - so what role on the battlefield will it enjoy? Defense support?

I think if CCP is to continue releasing suits like this it should come with an explanation of how they see it being used - because as it stands the commando suit just seems like a pub stomp suit.

Note: This is ofc - just my opinion.

that's....absolutely terrible...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg1E9uwX_Mw

1:35

Commando ak.0
2 Highs
1 Low
2 Light Weapons
1 Grenade Slot
1 Equipment Slot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg1E9uwX_Mw

1:35

Commando ak.0
2 Highs
1 Low
2 Light Weapons
1 Grenade Slot
1 Equipment Slot

Maps and game modes are new content.

A heavy with two light weapons is 2 development hours of copy and pasting.

Hey now... the suit has a new dark red color too! That took time!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg1E9uwX_Mw

1:35

Commando ak.0
2 Highs
1 Low
2 Light Weapons
1 Grenade Slot
1 Equipment Slot

It also only addresses a small group of play styles.

it is cool for small things like this to be added to the game.

But you have to be as blind as Soda pop to not be underwhelmed.

Coming from a guy who says all people with 10mil SP are scrubs you can own with just 1 mill then QQ's about match making - that's rich.

But I don't blame you for singling me out since I make you look bad everywhere ;)

EDIT: Also - how does it take to be as a blind as me when I'm making threads about this suit being useless? You're a bad troll - use some logic if you're going to try.

Pro tip for failed trolls:

When you find yourself in a hole quit digging.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg1E9uwX_Mw

1:35

Commando ak.0
2 Highs
1 Low
2 Light Weapons
1 Grenade Slot
1 Equipment Slot

No grenade slot.

Wow.

That better not make it to the live version....

Grenades are the only part of infantry play that I actually enjoy....

Imagine an assault squad of 3 or 4 Commandos. You dont' need grenades cause you are pro with AR. Your equipment slots are a mix of Remotes, Uplinks, and Hives. You get in behind enemy lines cause your squad works together well. You set explosives and fallback points. Your AR game is so pro that they bring out tanks to try to break your entrenched defense. Your squad of 3 or 4 laugh and all swap to the Swarm, or for giggles, Plasma Cannons. You all shoot off 1 or 2 volleys in 3 seconds, the tank pops near instantly (even if proto). The infantry try to move in on you with the tank support that made you switch to AV, but you just instantly switch back to ARs. No Supply Depot in sight.

Assault suits can only do 1 or the other... Lol, ya commandos are gonna lawl the field. They dont' need modules, because they carry two powerful focus weapons, 1 for AI, the other for AV.

This is a good addition and the suit will be well worth the points spent.

My issue with the Commando release is that they put out a new suit before finishing the racial variants of the heavy and scout suits. It's like they have suit ADD or something.

I think the commando is an interesting idea but i have a bad feeling these guys will be HAV hunters, and HAV's have enough of those right? anyway i thank CCP for the new content even if it imbalances the game a bit

... or the assaults could use proto-av nades and be just as effective against vehicles. And laugh at fatties trying to be range combatants with there larger hitbox.

Trade the equipment slot for a grenade slot. Heavies shouldn't have equipment, and not having a grenade is a wonderful way to really gimp a suit, nevermind the ****** layout in that video.

Here's hoping something changes, or I'm staying basic heavy for forever since both heavy variants will be a bad joke at best

A good tank driver will never be in AV nade range. Swarms they can't dodge a full volley from 4 people fast enough to avoid death from long range. Swarms will kill them before they hit the ground from the RDV dropping them off. AV nades can't even compare.

They are the get in and get it done crew.

With less HP, speed, fitting capabilities, smaller weapons....and a nano hive?

I'm still waiting to see the stats for myself, but I'm already at the end of my hope rope for DUST as is....

That is a small quote from a big picture. That is part of a 3 to 4 man squad. Only one would have a hive if at all, and it would be a top of the line one cause that is his job to carry that equipment slot. Smaller weapons... lol, you make it sound like they are sidearms. They get access to two very strong light weapons. Protoswarms can tear up HAV, LAV, and Dropships. AR is the standard use weapon of the game and shouldn't' be considered a weak weapon.

That is a small quote from a big picture. That is part of a 3 to 4 man squad. Only one would have a hive if at all, and it would be a top of the line one cause that is his job to carry that equipment slot. Smaller weapons... lol, you make it sound like they are sidearms. They get access to two very strong light weapons. Protoswarms can tear up HAV, LAV, and Dropships. AR is the standard use weapon of the game and shouldn't' be considered a weak weapon.

Oh, and I may actually rage quit this game if Commando has no grenades....

It's a bit more variety with pros and cons.

You're just looking for **** to ***** about now.

And then promptly return when they add the grenadier. Which might be a light frame. You could then run around with Flux nades and AV nade and solo proto tanks that can't track even your shadow. Enjoy your time away from Dust when 1.2 hits.

Why would I promptly return?

I can't afford boosters, and there is no system in place to allow me to try out different playstyles. I either love what I spec into for the rest of my DUST career, or I set the game down and do something else.

You will come back because Dust will offer more things than any other FPS out there currently and in the medium future time scale. They have roadmap plans to add VR like areas where you could try out weapons. It just may not be any time soon. So, like I said, enjoy your time away from Dust. We will welcome you back whenever you return.

It's a bit more variety with pros and cons.

You're just looking for **** to ***** about now.

No grenade slot.

You obviously dont play heavy... I dont want to use light weapons i want to use really big kitten guns. I already run SCR on one build because HMG isnt competive on maps with big open spaces and we dont have other options. I dont want to lose armor and slots (read die easier) for a chance to run light weapons and in all probability run only fractionally faster. If i wanted to do that i could spec medium... also did you watch the trailer i laughed cuz in game that heavy would have been just as dead as the scout.

What does your preference have to do with giving more options to other players?

A bit less logical fallacies based on your ego please.

So ms sotapopper you want new suits or a fully racial varient for what we already have?

If you say New suits then you sir are the issue, as I already know your doing your best to ruin the game like plymco pilgrim did mag.

FIX THE ISSUES THEN RELEASE NEW CONTENT.

We say we want content - then cry when we get it - why is that?

Simple - Take a look at assaults and logi - pretty cool they have all there variants and if they upgrade light weapons it'll effect all there suits equally.

Now look at commando - what heavy skills will effect it? It may as well be a glorified assault. It's not a heavy friendly suit - we're going to have to dump SP into new weapons to get - which means more grinding. Assault users will probably find more of a home with it then we will - all we'll have over them is the basic Heavy Frame SP already spent - but they'll have a few Light Weapons already which equates to them saving more SP over-all if they went AR/MD

Will it have a smaller hitbox even in the slightest? If not it's range confrontation is going to be frustrating - every bullet that lands jukes the weapon slightly and makes return fire a challenge. I ran AR heavy since June of last year till December of last year - and finally decided it wasn't possible for an AR heavy to stay competitive - so what has been done to change this? 2 light weapon slots? The only hope the commando will have in competitive play will be equipping a MD for the spams then AR to finish it off - but it'll still be slow - so what role on the battlefield will it enjoy? Defense support?

I think if CCP is to continue releasing suits like this it should come with an explanation of how they see it being used - because as it stands the commando suit just seems like a pub stomp suit.

Note: This is ofc - just my opinion.

because they've already qq'ed themselves out on every other topic, i'd say.

I've been here over a year, I'm well aware of their "roadmap"

What I'm saying is that....

You know what.

**** it. I don't care.

RQ

We say we want content - then cry when we get it - why is that?

that's....absolutely terrible...

Maps and game modes are new content.

A heavy with two light weapons is 2 development hours of copy and pasting.

Irony fail, you failed to comprehend the message of his OP, which clearly states our problem with the commando suit

Commando suit is going to wreck vehicles from places where you need snipers to get rid of them

This is so dumb that it actually hurts.

Anyone can do that. Having 2 swarm launchers on one person and a hive isn't a whole lot different than 1 swarm launcher with a hive.

Besides, can I get a poll

Heavies. How many of you have spec'd into Swarm Launchers or Plasma Cannons. How many of you intend to?

It has an equipment slot you dumbass and its cheap as chips to lvl up the SL anyways

And as far as we know has less speed than a heavy, and less health. Militia sniper rifle? Jeez I hate these forums some days.

Commando, the new scary AV. It can't waddle out to you, but god damn if you drive next to him you're gonna be hurting when he's shooting the exact same things at you that anyone else does

The suit will have less health with same speed.

Link for speed confirmation?

Having the same or less speed as a normal heavy will kill this specialization before it's even patched in.

If it will have less HP than a sentinel suit, this has to move faster.... There is a tradeoff/balance between speed and tank OF COURSE.

Commando suit is going to wreck vehicles from places where you need snipers to get rid of them

We're supposed to get the Commando Dev Blog today, this ought to be rich.

If its a heavy suit with the same speed as its racial logi though.. hmm.. that might work. It absolutely needs more slots though.

I really think... for balance... that H + S + G = L + L in terms of weapon slots... and it should have very near the same amount of slots that the amarr sentinel suit has. If the Amarr sentinel has 5 slots at proto... I think this suit needs 4 slots.

2H/2L would make a lot more sense for this suit imo, base stats around 300/300 - 320/320 (vs. 405/405 for the sentinel and 180/180 for assault) and move speed of 4.2 (vs. 4.8 for amarr assault and 3.4 for amarr sentinel).

This kind of gives it a cool middle ground between sentinel and medium frames.

Now for EHP.. you can somewhat reverse engineer what remnant decided as base HP for that suit. You need to look at every combination of armor upgrades and shield upgrades... and you can see that he has 1 complex shield extender on it. This gives him a modified hp of 392/312. Now I reverse engineered every combination of shield and armor upgrades given he has a single 72 hp shield extender on there, and I could not find a combination that gives him 312 armor. However.. If I say the extender is only worth 66 hp, I do get a single point that rounds to 312.

This disturbs me a little... If he has a complex extender on there he should have 72... so now im wondering if he's changed shield extension to no longer give a 10% bonus to extenders... or if he's changed armor/shield upgrades to no longer give 5% to shields and armor.

Anyways.. the number I could reverse engineer to get 392 shields and 312 armor with 1 66 hp shield extender was 271 armor and shields (this is also assuming amarr commando has the same shields and armor... but they all do so I think that's safe). He also has shield upgrades at 4 and armor upgrades at level 3.