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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:02:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:No grenade slot.
Wow.
That better not make it to the live version....
Grenades are the only part of infantry play that I actually enjoy.... |
Shadowswipe
WarRavens League of Infamy
123
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:08:00 -
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Imagine an assault squad of 3 or 4 Commandos. You dont' need grenades cause you are pro with AR. Your equipment slots are a mix of Remotes, Uplinks, and Hives. You get in behind enemy lines cause your squad works together well. You set explosives and fallback points. Your AR game is so pro that they bring out tanks to try to break your entrenched defense. Your squad of 3 or 4 laugh and all swap to the Swarm, or for giggles, Plasma Cannons. You all shoot off 1 or 2 volleys in 3 seconds, the tank pops near instantly (even if proto). The infantry try to move in on you with the tank support that made you switch to AV, but you just instantly switch back to ARs. No Supply Depot in sight.
Assault suits can only do 1 or the other... Lol, ya commandos are gonna lawl the field. They dont' need modules, because they carry two powerful focus weapons, 1 for AI, the other for AV.
This is a good addition and the suit will be well worth the points spent. |
Shadowswipe
WarRavens League of Infamy
123
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:09:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:No grenade slot. Wow. That better not make it to the live version.... Grenades are the only part of infantry play that I actually enjoy.... Then Commando is not for you. Stay assault and save up for the future. In the future, there will be suits with 2 or more grenade slots. Search for CCP Fanfest 2013 videos. There is a roadmap that explains that I think. So you will love the future. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2754
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:10:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:Imagine an assault squad of 3 or 4 Commandos. You dont' need grenades cause you are pro with AR. Your equipment slots are a mix of Remotes, Uplinks, and Hives. You get in behind enemy lines cause your squad works together well. You set explosives and fallback points. Your AR game is so pro that they bring out tanks to try to break your entrenched defense. Your squad of 3 or 4 laugh and all swap to the Swarm, or for giggles, Plasma Cannons. You all shoot off 1 or 2 volleys in 3 seconds, the tank pops near instantly (even if proto). The infantry try to move in on you with the tank support that made you switch to AV, but you just instantly switch back to ARs. No Supply Depot in sight.
Assault suits can only do 1 or the other... Lol, ya commandos are gonna lawl the field. They dont' need modules, because they carry two powerful focus weapons, 1 for AI, the other for AV.
This is a good addition and the suit will be well worth the points spent. ... or the assaults could use proto-av nades and be just as effective against vehicles. And laugh at fatties trying to be range combatants with there larger hitbox. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:10:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:My issue with the Commando release is that they put out a new suit before finishing the racial variants of the heavy and scout suits. It's like they have suit ADD or something.
Its not a new suit - its a reskin with adjusted slots and stats.
They can put those out every week if they wanted to. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2079
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:11:00 -
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Kevlar Waffles wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:We say we want content - then cry when we get it - why is that?
Simple - Take a look at assaults and logi - pretty cool they have all there variants and if they upgrade light weapons it'll effect all there suits equally.
Now look at commando - what heavy skills will effect it? It may as well be a glorified assault. It's not a heavy friendly suit - we're going to have to dump SP into new weapons to get - which means more grinding. Assault users will probably find more of a home with it then we will - all we'll have over them is the basic Heavy Frame SP already spent - but they'll have a few Light Weapons already which equates to them saving more SP over-all if they went AR/MD
Will it have a smaller hitbox even in the slightest? If not it's range confrontation is going to be frustrating - every bullet that lands jukes the weapon slightly and makes return fire a challenge. I ran AR heavy since June of last year till December of last year - and finally decided it wasn't possible for an AR heavy to stay competitive - so what has been done to change this? 2 light weapon slots? The only hope the commando will have in competitive play will be equipping a MD for the spams then AR to finish it off - but it'll still be slow - so what role on the battlefield will it enjoy? Defense support?
I think if CCP is to continue releasing suits like this it should come with an explanation of how they see it being used - because as it stands the commando suit just seems like a pub stomp suit.
Note: This is ofc - just my opinion. I think the commando is an interesting idea but i have a bad feeling these guys will be HAV hunters, and HAV's have enough of those right? anyway i thank CCP for the new content even if it imbalances the game a bit AR and Swarms.
Now you can spec into a suit that let's you play like my outfit played Planetside 2.
In all seriousness, you're right on the dot, though. An existing Heavy player who specs into one of those now has a suit with a sick tank that can take on infantry and vehicles if need be. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4041
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:11:00 -
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Trade the equipment slot for a grenade slot. Heavies shouldn't have equipment, and not having a grenade is a wonderful way to really gimp a suit, nevermind the ****** layout in that video.
Here's hoping something changes, or I'm staying basic heavy for forever since both heavy variants will be a bad joke at best |
Shadowswipe
WarRavens League of Infamy
123
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:11:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:Imagine an assault squad of 3 or 4 Commandos. You dont' need grenades cause you are pro with AR. Your equipment slots are a mix of Remotes, Uplinks, and Hives. You get in behind enemy lines cause your squad works together well. You set explosives and fallback points. Your AR game is so pro that they bring out tanks to try to break your entrenched defense. Your squad of 3 or 4 laugh and all swap to the Swarm, or for giggles, Plasma Cannons. You all shoot off 1 or 2 volleys in 3 seconds, the tank pops near instantly (even if proto). The infantry try to move in on you with the tank support that made you switch to AV, but you just instantly switch back to ARs. No Supply Depot in sight.
Assault suits can only do 1 or the other... Lol, ya commandos are gonna lawl the field. They dont' need modules, because they carry two powerful focus weapons, 1 for AI, the other for AV.
This is a good addition and the suit will be well worth the points spent. ... or the assaults could use proto-av nades and be just as effective against vehicles. And laugh at fatties trying to be range combatants with there larger hitbox. A good tank driver will never be in AV nade range. Swarms they can't dodge a full volley from 4 people fast enough to avoid death from long range. Swarms will kill them before they hit the ground from the RDV dropping them off. AV nades can't even compare. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4041
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:14:00 -
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There was even talk of reducing their mobility at one point....
I swear the Devs are trying to give me an aneurism |
Shadowswipe
WarRavens League of Infamy
123
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:15:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Trade the equipment slot for a grenade slot. Heavies shouldn't have equipment, and not having a grenade is a wonderful way to really gimp a suit, nevermind the ****** layout in that video. Here's hoping something changes, or I'm staying basic heavy for forever since both heavy variants will be a bad joke at best Commandos need to be able to carry equipment. The mere word alone triggers countless movie scenes in my head where Rambo type commando squads have a goal to set C4 on a high priority target and get it done without getting shot at. They need to carry equipment. Later we will have more specialized equipment like cloaking fields and mini point defense shields. Commandos should have access to them. Each commando carries the equipment they need for the job. They are not the front line pushers that slowly gain ground and hold bases. They are the get in and get it done crew. |
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2754
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:16:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:Imagine an assault squad of 3 or 4 Commandos. You dont' need grenades cause you are pro with AR. Your equipment slots are a mix of Remotes, Uplinks, and Hives. You get in behind enemy lines cause your squad works together well. You set explosives and fallback points. Your AR game is so pro that they bring out tanks to try to break your entrenched defense. Your squad of 3 or 4 laugh and all swap to the Swarm, or for giggles, Plasma Cannons. You all shoot off 1 or 2 volleys in 3 seconds, the tank pops near instantly (even if proto). The infantry try to move in on you with the tank support that made you switch to AV, but you just instantly switch back to ARs. No Supply Depot in sight.
Assault suits can only do 1 or the other... Lol, ya commandos are gonna lawl the field. They dont' need modules, because they carry two powerful focus weapons, 1 for AI, the other for AV.
This is a good addition and the suit will be well worth the points spent. ... or the assaults could use proto-av nades and be just as effective against vehicles. And laugh at fatties trying to be range combatants with there larger hitbox. A good tank driver will never be in AV nade range. Swarms they can't dodge a full volley from 4 people fast enough to avoid death from long range. Swarms will kill them before they hit the ground from the RDV dropping them off. AV nades can't even compare. Now I have to ask - what type of tank are they fighting? If it's blaster they'll have to get in range of AV nades to be effective - and missiles are terrible at range firing. Rail? Lol.
Sorry but as a heavy I've been in AV Nade throwing range during PC - tanks have to get in close. I do not speak of pub games as my reference - only competitive matches. Tanks who hide or fall back to range may as well just be rail-anti-AV tanks.
Ofc - again - just my opinion. |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
238
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:17:00 -
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I think it will be cool to use a plasma cannon/swarm launcher with any other weapon. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4041
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:17:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:They are the get in and get it done crew. With less HP, speed, fitting capabilities, smaller weapons....and a nano hive?
I'm still waiting to see the stats for myself, but I'm already at the end of my hope rope for DUST as is.... |
Shadowswipe
WarRavens League of Infamy
123
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:27:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:They are the get in and get it done crew. With less HP, speed, fitting capabilities, smaller weapons....and a nano hive? I'm still waiting to see the stats for myself, but I'm already at the end of my hope rope for DUST as is.... That is a small quote from a big picture. That is part of a 3 to 4 man squad. Only one would have a hive if at all, and it would be a top of the line one cause that is his job to carry that equipment slot. Smaller weapons... lol, you make it sound like they are sidearms. They get access to two very strong light weapons. Protoswarms can tear up HAV, LAV, and Dropships. AR is the standard use weapon of the game and shouldn't' be considered a weak weapon. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4041
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:32:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:That is a small quote from a big picture. That is part of a 3 to 4 man squad. Only one would have a hive if at all, and it would be a top of the line one cause that is his job to carry that equipment slot. Smaller weapons... lol, you make it sound like they are sidearms. They get access to two very strong light weapons. Protoswarms can tear up HAV, LAV, and Dropships. AR is the standard use weapon of the game and shouldn't' be considered a weak weapon.
Yea, if it's going to be slower, with less HP....heavies are already laughably bad with swarm launchers. No mobility = no LoS on a moving target. Forge guns you can either hold your charge behind cover or use an assault, which only requires you to get your timing right and peek out of cover long enough to shoot.
I put up great numbers with my AR, but that's because ARs are still laughably easy to use. It doesn't change the fact that if you slow down the heavy and reduce its HP buffer it won't live long enough to make use of its versatility.
Honestly, from what little we've seen, this is starting to look like a very half baked specialization indeed. Here's hoping it's actually worthwhile.
Oh, and I may actually rage quit this game if Commando has no grenades.... |
KOBLAKA1
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
83
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:41:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:They are the get in and get it done crew. With less HP, speed, fitting capabilities, smaller weapons....and a nano hive? I'm still waiting to see the stats for myself, but I'm already at the end of my hope rope for DUST as is.... That is a small quote from a big picture. That is part of a 3 to 4 man squad. Only one would have a hive if at all, and it would be a top of the line one cause that is his job to carry that equipment slot. Smaller weapons... lol, you make it sound like they are sidearms. They get access to two very strong light weapons. Protoswarms can tear up HAV, LAV, and Dropships. AR is the standard use weapon of the game and shouldn't' be considered a weak weapon.
problem is sentinel sucks, so this other option is even worse if you want to play heavy with heavy weapons. this MAY change when racial Heavy suits and weapons come out but as it stands only reason to get a sentinel is its cheaper per suit (weapon feedback dmg cuz im gonna use a lasor...and reload speed is meh). This is as a another thread put it just putting the heavy in its role as the bastard child of Dust.
I only have Amarr heavy 3 specced because i see no need to go any higher. Base HP stays the same and one more low slot just slows me down more.
I would have much rather seen more Heavy weapons released than anything else. Hell the ARs have ALL their place holders and mediums have ALL their suits plus grenades plasma cannon and swarms for AV. We get ONE AI and ONE AV and ONE racial suit no grenades no equipment. Seem fair...
Edit: as i look at my post it seems like they trying to phase out the heavy class...assaults for everyone \o/ |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
207
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:43:00 -
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It's a bit more variety with pros and cons.
You're just looking for **** to ***** about now. |
Shadowswipe
WarRavens League of Infamy
123
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:43:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote: Oh, and I may actually rage quit this game if Commando has no grenades....
And then promptly return when they add the grenadier. Which might be a light frame. You could then run around with Flux nades and AV nade and solo proto tanks that can't track even your shadow. Enjoy your time away from Dust when 1.2 hits. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4042
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:44:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:It's a bit more variety with pros and cons.
You're just looking for **** to ***** about now. Actually it's experienced players looking at the hints we've been given and are left here scratching our heads. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4042
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:45:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:DUST Fiend wrote: Oh, and I may actually rage quit this game if Commando has no grenades....
And then promptly return when they add the grenadier. Which might be a light frame. You could then run around with Flux nades and AV nade and solo proto tanks that can't track even your shadow. Enjoy your time away from Dust when 1.2 hits. Why would I promptly return?
I can't afford boosters, and there is no system in place to allow me to try out different playstyles. I either love what I spec into for the rest of my DUST career, or I set the game down and do something else. |
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Shadowswipe
WarRavens League of Infamy
123
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:51:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:DUST Fiend wrote: Oh, and I may actually rage quit this game if Commando has no grenades....
And then promptly return when they add the grenadier. Which might be a light frame. You could then run around with Flux nades and AV nade and solo proto tanks that can't track even your shadow. Enjoy your time away from Dust when 1.2 hits. Why would I promptly return? I can't afford boosters, and there is no system in place to allow me to try out different playstyles. I either love what I spec into for the rest of my DUST career, or I set the game down and do something else. You will come back because Dust will offer more things than any other FPS out there currently and in the medium future time scale. They have roadmap plans to add VR like areas where you could try out weapons. It just may not be any time soon. So, like I said, enjoy your time away from Dust. We will welcome you back whenever you return. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4043
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:52:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:You will come back because Dust will offer more things than any other FPS out there currently and in the medium future time scale. They have roadmap plans to add VR like areas where you could try out weapons. It just may not be any time soon. So, like I said, enjoy your time away from Dust. We will welcome you back whenever you return. I've been here over a year, I'm well aware of their "roadmap"
What I'm saying is that....
You know what.
**** it. I don't care.
RQ |
KOBLAKA1
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
83
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:56:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:It's a bit more variety with pros and cons.
You're just looking for **** to ***** about now.
You obviously dont play heavy... I dont want to use light weapons i want to use really big kitten guns. I already run SCR on one build because HMG isnt competive on maps with big open spaces and we dont have other options. I dont want to lose armor and slots (read die easier) for a chance to run light weapons and in all probability run only fractionally faster. If i wanted to do that i could spec medium... also did you watch the trailer i laughed cuz in game that heavy would have been just as dead as the scout. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
484
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:30:00 -
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Doh! You are correct.
Still.. bad mobility cause its a heavy suit and absolutely no slots at all? You gotta admit that suit will not get the job done.
Unless it has the move speed of a medium suit, its not at all worth it. |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
207
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:40:00 -
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KOBLAKA1 wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:It's a bit more variety with pros and cons.
You're just looking for **** to ***** about now. You obviously dont play heavy... I dont want to use light weapons i want to use really big kitten guns. I already run SCR on one build because HMG isnt competive on maps with big open spaces and we dont have other options. I dont want to lose armor and slots (read die easier) for a chance to run light weapons and in all probability run only fractionally faster. If i wanted to do that i could spec medium... also did you watch the trailer i laughed cuz in game that heavy would have been just as dead as the scout.
What does your preference have to do with giving more options to other players?
A bit less logical fallacies based on your ego please. |
KOBLAKA1
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
83
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:46:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:KOBLAKA1 wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:It's a bit more variety with pros and cons.
You're just looking for **** to ***** about now. You obviously dont play heavy... I dont want to use light weapons i want to use really big kitten guns. I already run SCR on one build because HMG isnt competive on maps with big open spaces and we dont have other options. I dont want to lose armor and slots (read die easier) for a chance to run light weapons and in all probability run only fractionally faster. If i wanted to do that i could spec medium... also did you watch the trailer i laughed cuz in game that heavy would have been just as dead as the scout. What does your preference have to do with giving more options to other players? A bit less logical fallacies based on your ego please.
when the stats come out i will be back to show you how a medium frame will do everything better...
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Cariss777
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.26 04:40:00 -
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So ms sotapopper you want new suits or a fully racial varient for what we already have?
If you say New suits then you sir are the issue, as I already know your doing your best to ruin the game like plymco pilgrim did mag.
FIX THE ISSUES THEN RELEASE NEW CONTENT. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2766
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Posted - 2013.06.26 04:47:00 -
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Cariss777 wrote:So ms sotapopper you want new suits or a fully racial varient for what we already have?
If you say New suits then you sir are the issue, as I already know your doing your best to ruin the game like plymco pilgrim did mag.
FIX THE ISSUES THEN RELEASE NEW CONTENT. Should I know or care about MAG references? If you have a problem with a heavy using murder taxi to get around rather then being a useless meat-shield that isn't my problem - it's CCP's bad game design. I've been here for over a year and it's only recently that I've started doing this - and why is that? Because my HMG is trash in pubs.
Now - about your question - I don't understand it. What's the difference between new suits and getting racial variants? I want HMG fixed more then I want new suits. The Amarr Basic Frame has served me well enough - it's the weapon that blows. But that doesn't mean heavies should get ignored and get no variants to our suits.
GOML Scrub ;) If playing this game within its mechanics is breaking it then I'm taking a huge damn dump all over this sad game. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
316
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Posted - 2013.06.26 05:59:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:We say we want content - then cry when we get it - why is that?
Simple - Take a look at assaults and logi - pretty cool they have all there variants and if they upgrade light weapons it'll effect all there suits equally.
Now look at commando - what heavy skills will effect it? It may as well be a glorified assault. It's not a heavy friendly suit - we're going to have to dump SP into new weapons to get - which means more grinding. Assault users will probably find more of a home with it then we will - all we'll have over them is the basic Heavy Frame SP already spent - but they'll have a few Light Weapons already which equates to them saving more SP over-all if they went AR/MD
Will it have a smaller hitbox even in the slightest? If not it's range confrontation is going to be frustrating - every bullet that lands jukes the weapon slightly and makes return fire a challenge. I ran AR heavy since June of last year till December of last year - and finally decided it wasn't possible for an AR heavy to stay competitive - so what has been done to change this? 2 light weapon slots? The only hope the commando will have in competitive play will be equipping a MD for the spams then AR to finish it off - but it'll still be slow - so what role on the battlefield will it enjoy? Defense support?
I think if CCP is to continue releasing suits like this it should come with an explanation of how they see it being used - because as it stands the commando suit just seems like a pub stomp suit.
Note: This is ofc - just my opinion. Honestly bruh, this is a slap in the face for heavies! All one has to do is go look at any one of a number of threads and posts about the missing Racial Variants of Dropsuits. There's to many to count at this point.
I told myself and declared on the forums that I would be with DUST for the long haul, but right now I'm seriously starting to reconsider that.
Seriously what's the point? The game just is not fun for me anymore! The MLT heavy is a joke and I'm frankly tired of being limited on my loadout to 1H/1L. I'm tired of getting protostomped even though I have near 7 mil SP simply because my gear is crap! In order to be viable you need at least the Amarr basic proto and ill be damned if I'm gonna make that large of an SP investment without the guarantee of at least a partial respec when (if ever) the missing suits are added. Alternatively I can spend $100 US and get the Dren Suit (another Amarr variant ill never use when the other suits are added)! Well they can forget getting my money anytime soonTM!
Frankly its just...
I just...
I...
/sighs |
dustwaffle
Ill Omens EoN.
104
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Posted - 2013.06.26 08:41:00 -
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low genius wrote:because they've already qq'ed themselves out on every other topic, i'd say. This |
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