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dustwaffle
Ill Omens EoN.
104
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Posted - 2013.06.26 08:44:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Shadowswipe wrote:You will come back because Dust will offer more things than any other FPS out there currently and in the medium future time scale. They have roadmap plans to add VR like areas where you could try out weapons. It just may not be any time soon. So, like I said, enjoy your time away from Dust. We will welcome you back whenever you return. I've been here over a year, I'm well aware of their "roadmap" What I'm saying is that.... You know what. **** it. I don't care. RQ Pretty much every post you make is about how much you're gonna rage quit. Could you hold on that until the new update so you can give me your stuff before you go?
Thanks. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
571
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Posted - 2013.06.26 08:46:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Seamie Schmoove wrote:Suppose the effectiveness of the suit will depend on the slot layout. Are they giving them equipment slots does anyone know? And the QQing will roll onto something else next week...circle of Dust and all that According to CCPs video... the proto variant has 1 equip, 2 highs, and 1 low... and maybe a grenade slot I don't remember. We say we want content - then cry when we get it - why is that?that's....absolutely terrible... |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1962
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Posted - 2013.06.26 08:53:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Seamie Schmoove wrote:Suppose the effectiveness of the suit will depend on the slot layout. Are they giving them equipment slots does anyone know? And the QQing will roll onto something else next week...circle of Dust and all that According to CCPs video... the proto variant has 1 equip, 2 highs, and 1 low... and maybe a grenade slot I don't remember. We say we want content - then cry when we get it - why is that?that's....absolutely terrible... Irony fail, you failed to comprehend the message of his OP, which clearly states our problem with the commando suit |
DildoMcnutz
The Tickle Monsters
25
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Posted - 2013.06.26 09:34:00 -
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Why is there a basic CPU upgrade in the low slot in that video? only need 215 for everything i have but ill just bump that bad boy up to 341 to be on the safe side. Sucks there is only one low, he could have thrown on a PG upgrade aswell. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1002
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Posted - 2013.06.26 09:52:00 -
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I wonder what the slot loadout on the STD version will be....
You remember how Amarr Logistics were "balanced" with the idea that they get a sidearm slot, and that makes them OP? They only get a sidearm at proto. What if the commando doesn't get two light weapon slots till proto? What if he only gets one module at STD. Questions, questions, questions.
Considering the only race getting a new suit is Amarr (since they have the only heavy frame), maybe they should've put off "Amarr week" until the patch launched to put some Amarr commando stuff on the market. |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
177
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Posted - 2013.06.26 10:17:00 -
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hooc roht wrote:Maps and game modes are new content.
A heavy with two light weapons is 2 development hours of copy and pasting.
go to ccp apply to work for them
they will bask in your developing masterful skills and you shall make dust a legendary game
now go do it. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
571
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Posted - 2013.06.26 10:20:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Seamie Schmoove wrote:Suppose the effectiveness of the suit will depend on the slot layout. Are they giving them equipment slots does anyone know? And the QQing will roll onto something else next week...circle of Dust and all that According to CCPs video... the proto variant has 1 equip, 2 highs, and 1 low... and maybe a grenade slot I don't remember. We say we want content - then cry when we get it - why is that?that's....absolutely terrible... Irony fail, you failed to comprehend the message of his OP, which clearly states our problem with the commando suit
Sorry I assumed the community had Reading comprehension.... Most of you don't even play the game I figure the least you could do is level that skill up Sloth... Sorry for assuming intelligence...
EDIT- It was still worth attempting to troll SoTa as it's always fun :) Probably one of the only people left with sense of humor. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1965
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Posted - 2013.06.26 10:25:00 -
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I'm going to go smash my head with a care door. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1336
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Posted - 2013.06.26 11:06:00 -
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Commando suit is going to wreck vehicles from places where you need snipers to get rid of them |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4092
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Posted - 2013.06.26 11:11:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Commando suit is going to wreck vehicles from places where you need snipers to get rid of them This is so dumb that it actually hurts.
Anyone can do that. Having 2 swarm launchers on one person and a hive isn't a whole lot different than 1 swarm launcher with a hive.
Besides, can I get a poll
Heavies. How many of you have spec'd into Swarm Launchers or Plasma Cannons. How many of you intend to? |
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1336
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Posted - 2013.06.26 11:13:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Commando suit is going to wreck vehicles from places where you need snipers to get rid of them This is so dumb that it actually hurts. Anyone can do that. Having 2 swarm launchers on one person and a hive isn't a whole lot different than 1 swarm launcher with a hive. Besides, can I get a poll Heavies. How many of you have spec'd into Swarm Launchers or Plasma Cannons. How many of you intend to?
It has an equipment slot you dumbass and its cheap as chips to lvl up the SL anyways |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4092
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Posted - 2013.06.26 11:15:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:It has an equipment slot you dumbass and its cheap as chips to lvl up the SL anyways And as far as we know has less speed than a heavy, and less health. Militia sniper rifle? Jeez I hate these forums some days.
Commando, the new scary AV. It can't waddle out to you, but god damn if you drive next to him you're gonna be hurting when he's shooting the exact same things at you that anyone else does |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2780
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Posted - 2013.06.26 11:16:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:It has an equipment slot you dumbass and its cheap as chips to lvl up the SL anyways And as far as we know has less speed than a heavy, and less health. Militia sniper rifle? Jeez I hate these forums some days. Commando, the new scary AV. It can't waddle out to you, but god damn if you drive next to him you're gonna be hurting when he's shooting the exact same things at you that anyone else does The suit will have less health with same speed. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4093
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Posted - 2013.06.26 11:18:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote: The suit will have less health with same speed.
Link for speed confirmation?
Having the same or less speed as a normal heavy will kill this specialization before it's even patched in. |
Spectral Clone
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
43
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Posted - 2013.06.26 11:39:00 -
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Maybe this suit is supposed to be the "light weapons" heavy suit. You can save quite alot of SP by not specing into different weapon types, f.e. Light+Sidearm.
If it will have less HP than a sentinel suit, this has to move faster.... There is a tradeoff/balance between speed and tank OF COURSE. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2780
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Posted - 2013.06.26 11:45:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:SoTa PoP wrote: The suit will have less health with same speed.
Link for speed confirmation? Having the same or less speed as a normal heavy will kill this specialization before it's even patched in. Info comes from IRC - sorry.
Nova is also unhappy with commando suit and think it'll flop. |
Novawolf McDustingham The514th
The Official Mintchip Fanclub
301
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Posted - 2013.06.26 11:46:00 -
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The commando suit will prove to be a nearly useless niche playstyle that some guy no one has ever seen in game will swear by until this game breathes its last. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4093
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Posted - 2013.06.26 11:47:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:If it will have less HP than a sentinel suit, this has to move faster.... There is a tradeoff/balance between speed and tank OF COURSE. And that's the critical thing. Aside from likely losing a grenade slot, which already kills the entire specialization for me, personally. If you don't increase speed on heavies, but reduce their HP, they will be more of a laughing stock than they already are.
As is, I only tend to die to heavies if I get caught by an HMG heavy in CQC with my pants down, forge gunned from above, ran over by a heavy in an LAV, or just plain bad luck (oh, and being outgunned occasionally by a fellow AR heavy) Getting headshots on heavies is laughably easy, and they already go down very very quickly.
Nevermind the fact they probably didn't have the foresight to increase their turn speed.
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KOBLAKA1
Opus Arcana
84
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Posted - 2013.06.26 11:53:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Commando suit is going to wreck vehicles from places where you need snipers to get rid of them I can already do this with a forge and the other av heavy weapons whenever they release (which should be before commando) |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4094
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Posted - 2013.06.26 12:02:00 -
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We're supposed to get the Commando Dev Blog today, this ought to be rich. |
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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
621
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Posted - 2013.06.26 12:04:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:We're supposed to get the Commando Dev Blog today, this ought to be rich. I just can't wait! |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
490
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Posted - 2013.06.26 12:40:00 -
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If its a heavy suit with the same speed as its racial logi though.. hmm.. that might work. It absolutely needs more slots though.
I really think... for balance... that H + S + G = L + L in terms of weapon slots... and it should have very near the same amount of slots that the amarr sentinel suit has. If the Amarr sentinel has 5 slots at proto... I think this suit needs 4 slots.
2H/2L would make a lot more sense for this suit imo, base stats around 300/300 - 320/320 (vs. 405/405 for the sentinel and 180/180 for assault) and move speed of 4.2 (vs. 4.8 for amarr assault and 3.4 for amarr sentinel).
This kind of gives it a cool middle ground between sentinel and medium frames.
Now for EHP.. you can somewhat reverse engineer what remnant decided as base HP for that suit. You need to look at every combination of armor upgrades and shield upgrades... and you can see that he has 1 complex shield extender on it. This gives him a modified hp of 392/312. Now I reverse engineered every combination of shield and armor upgrades given he has a single 72 hp shield extender on there, and I could not find a combination that gives him 312 armor. However.. If I say the extender is only worth 66 hp, I do get a single point that rounds to 312.
This disturbs me a little... If he has a complex extender on there he should have 72... so now im wondering if he's changed shield extension to no longer give a 10% bonus to extenders... or if he's changed armor/shield upgrades to no longer give 5% to shields and armor.
Anyways.. the number I could reverse engineer to get 392 shields and 312 armor with 1 66 hp shield extender was 271 armor and shields (this is also assuming amarr commando has the same shields and armor... but they all do so I think that's safe). He also has shield upgrades at 4 and armor upgrades at level 3. |
Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis
158
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Posted - 2013.06.26 13:04:00 -
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Im not a CCP fanboy by far but, personally, I think they are introducing the suit like this to avoid a possible OP release. Unfortunately, it is going to be UP for now. I hope that CCP will be making adjustments to it to make it more viable on the ground.
Right now, I think this will be an overwatch suit.
Think of it this way. This suit now provides you with what used to be the responsibility of two people. It can hold a sniper rifle and swarms. Put him on a tower and he can take care of incoming vehicles as well as infantry. |
KOBLAKA1
Opus Arcana
84
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Posted - 2013.06.26 13:05:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:If its a heavy suit with the same speed as its racial logi though.. hmm.. that might work. It absolutely needs more slots though.
I really think... for balance... that H + S + G = L + L in terms of weapon slots... and it should have very near the same amount of slots that the amarr sentinel suit has. If the Amarr sentinel has 5 slots at proto... I think this suit needs 4 slots.
2H/2L would make a lot more sense for this suit imo, base stats around 300/300 - 320/320 (vs. 405/405 for the sentinel and 180/180 for assault) and move speed of 4.2 (vs. 4.8 for amarr assault and 3.4 for amarr sentinel).
This kind of gives it a cool middle ground between sentinel and medium frames.
Now for EHP.. you can somewhat reverse engineer what remnant decided as base HP for that suit. You need to look at every combination of armor upgrades and shield upgrades... and you can see that he has 1 complex shield extender on it. This gives him a modified hp of 392/312. Now I reverse engineered every combination of shield and armor upgrades given he has a single 72 hp shield extender on there, and I could not find a combination that gives him 312 armor. However.. If I say the extender is only worth 66 hp, I do get a single point that rounds to 312.
This disturbs me a little... If he has a complex extender on there he should have 72... so now im wondering if he's changed shield extension to no longer give a 10% bonus to extenders... or if he's changed armor/shield upgrades to no longer give 5% to shields and armor.
Anyways.. the number I could reverse engineer to get 392 shields and 312 armor with 1 66 hp shield extender was 271 armor and shields (this is also assuming amarr commando has the same shields and armor... but they all do so I think that's safe). He also has shield upgrades at 4 and armor upgrades at level 3.
I think it would make more sense to give it one heavy slot and the one light weapons slot. A forge and an AR or HMG and a swarm seems much more of a role for a "commando." It also rewards those who specced heavy weapons. Rather than allow people with light weapon skills already to easily spec into the suit. Where a player who specced heavy is at disadvantage specking light/medium suits because now he must spec into light weapons to use that suit. |
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