EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.

All valid issues, now you see why every third post is from people angry about the state of this game.

After using fused nades in PC... Lol.. I feel so sorry for scouts.

4) Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.

@Assher Night

Its a game. Get a life.

Thanks for the QQ email, it made getting run over by a LAV, sniped form the MCC and instakilled
by a contact grenade all worth it.

LOLKDR

You know my favorite thing about Fused nades?

CCP saw people hated fused grenades, and asked why; --> so they made every grenade in the game detonate 2s after hitting something to combat the 'no skill argument' --> CCP saw that everyone hated that change, so they reverted it ---> CCP added prototype level ISK versions of the fused grenades


See the pattern?


Hint: CCP - Just remove them, or just massively reduce the damage to that of the sleek variants. v0v

Yep, this is tne main problem here. Focusing on your kill death ratio will just make you mad playing this game. Instead focus on the match outcome, will it be a Victory or Defeat, that is all that counts. And stop running in proto suits if you get mad about being run over by LAVs.

psh.. next thing will be that RE should not be used as grenades.

*quite dude!*

NO ONE TOUCHING MY RE! Send OP to the NIGHT WATCH! The wall for him!

How are the RE's in this build? I remember they were definitely being abused in a previous build. You could throw them like grenades, they had an insane blast radius, instant death... They were like the remote explosives in Perfect Dark (N64), lol.

The only time I ever was killed by one is after I knifed the guy that planted it, then out of curiosity upon seeing this weird looking thing he placed on the ground, I knifed it. I found out pretty quick what it was.

So let me run you through a pretty typical game.

Run to objective.
Cap it.
Run to next objective
Run into enemy
Engage en -- Instakilled by him immediately chucking a fuse grenade before he even attempts to fire a single bullet.

Proceed to any objective.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
LAV gets tired and drives off
Start hacking objective
Get forge gunned from Mt. Everest.

Go to objective again
Get ran over by LAV that can be right next to me and not show up on the radar

Flank to furthest objective
Start hacking
Get sniped from MCC

Try very hard to stick with team (my corp or randoms)
See enemy
Engage en -- ran over by different LAV

Stick with team again.
Engage enemy who is completely defenseless firing rockets at vehicles
Get instakilled by his explode on contact grenade

Go to objective that has no fighting whatsoever.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over for 5 minutes
Get to objective
Hack objective
Almost get in shoot out with enemy
Get Sniped, forgegunned, grenaded, ran over and urinated on.

How was I outskilled by some scrub chucking an instant exploding grenade? How was I outskilled by some scrub on top of a building so high he takes up two pixels on my screen and only knows I'm there to fire on because he sees the objective flash? How was I outskilled by some coward who didn't even have to leave the safety of his spaceship to snipe me while I try to help the team? How was I outskilled by multiple LAV drivers all hauling ass around the map not showing up on radar?

Saying any of those people have skill is like saying an airplane falling onto your house all of a sudden and killing you, outskilled you. Every time I see someone chucking those fuse grenades they have insane KDR's - but this is mostly an objective based game where you have to be within grenades distance while capturing anything from the enemy, so it's basically a damn playground for any one running those grenades and nanohives.

This game requires no talent to excel at. You would think in this first person shooter, you would actually SEE people first person shooting.

1) Drastically decrease the collision damage from vehicles. I don't give a **** if that's unrealistic - it's a damn space suit in 30,000 years from now, it should absorb impact damage better than that anyway. Decrease fall damage while you're at it.

2) Implement some kind of toxic radiation/self destruct for people who sit in the MCC for too long. You'll kick players for not spawning and fullfilling their 'contractual obligation', so why not kill them for not going to engage the enemy and capture the objectives necessary for your side to win and make money?

3) Take out that stupid ass grenade. What the hell were you all thinking? How did it possibly seem like a good way to enhance the FPS or core mechanics of this game?

4) I'm all for snipers/forgegunners having their perches, but keep it within limits. No game lets snipers be SO up high and away from combat. I've never seen a game that pandered so much to long distance warfare.

OR

4) Put all the objectives in some kind of enclosed area that you have to actually be in to kill anyone capping it. Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.

This game is a joke right now, and I can't imagine any major league gamer, who gets sponsored and paid based off their talent for skilled gameplay, ever considering adding it to his repertoire.

EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.

lol @ everybody critiquing the size of his post and tone.
None of them even attempting to counter the issues he brought to light.

Skill does not matter in this game 'skill points' do. Ever here that voice before matches that says something a long the lines of, 'don't have skill? Buy Aur!'. Smh

There is no point to counter the issues he brought up are all true, and everyone knows it. To send hate mail and post in GD about topics that have pretty much been "discussed" to death serves no purpose.

So let me run you through a pretty typical game.
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OP POST
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Yeah your whole monologue is bullcrap. If 70% of your deaths don't come from assault rifles with the next 20% coming from HMGs, scram-riflles, and snipers then we must not be playing the same game.

Well, and you're terrible, because only people who are terrible die to LAVs on a frequent basis. Like your mommy told you, look both ways before crossing the street, and don't play in the road.

I won't deny I do much better in this game than most FPSes. Most FPSes are complete twitch fests. This one requires you to use your brain, and it sounds like yours has atrophy from playing too much Call of Duty.

80% of my deaths during the day are from retards driving cars. it is just ridiculous when there is over six cars on the field.

If 80% of your deaths are from LAVs then the ones driving them aren't the retards in this situation. Get out of the damn road.

Lol, I just went back and read that hate mail I sent you. I don't know why you keep crying about it, that **** was hilarious, lol. It's a free country, I'll discuss what I want, so hush up. Go get your own topic, fatty.

If 80% of your deaths are from LAVs then the ones driving them aren't the retards in this situation. Get out of the damn road.




I'd rather shove an LAV up yours because apparently you are too dumb and oblivious to move to safer ground and/or pull out AV when the enemy team is saturated with them.

oh please dont bring me that bs desperate drivers will try to run you over no matter where you are.

[quote=Tharak Meuridiar]how about you get down from your lav and see how tough you are.

@ Acturus

No, what's frustrating is not being able to do anything or having a valid chance at survival just because others want to pad their KDR and not go for objectives. Note how I said in most of my examples that I was heading to objectives, not looking for enemies to kill, where as the majority of people who use these tactics are not capping objectives. They are just camping one single square foot of space they know someone will have to step into.

@ hooc roht
You can't do that when the maximum vehicle count has been hit for the map, which happens pretty often nowadays. Definitely good advice though.

lol @ everybody critiquing the size of his post and tone.
None of them even attempting to counter the issues he brought to light.

Skill does not matter in this game 'skill points' do. Ever here that voice before matches that says something a long the lines of, 'don't have skill? Buy Aur!'. Smh

oh please dont bring me that bs desperate drivers will try to run you over no matter where you are.

Proceed to any objective.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
LAV gets tired and drives off

1) Drastically decrease the collision damage from vehicles. I don't give a **** if that's unrealistic - it's a damn space suit in 30,000 years from now, it should absorb impact damage better than that anyway. Decrease fall damage while you're at it.

2) Implement some kind of toxic radiation/self destruct for people who sit in the MCC for too long. You'll kick players for not spawning and fullfilling their 'contractual obligation', so why not kill them for not going to engage the enemy and capture the objectives necessary for your side to win and make money?

3) Take out that stupid ass grenade. What the hell were you all thinking? How did it possibly seem like a good way to enhance the FPS or core mechanics of this game?

4) I'm all for snipers/forgegunners having their perches, but keep it within limits. No game lets snipers be SO up high and away from combat. I've never seen a game that pandered so much to long distance warfare.
OR
4) Put all the objectives in some kind of enclosed area that you have to actually be in to kill anyone capping it. Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.

So let me run you through a pretty typical game.

Run to objective.
Cap it.
Run to next objective
Run into enemy
Engage en -- Instakilled by him immediately chucking a fuse grenade before he even attempts to fire a single bullet.

Proceed to any objective.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
LAV gets tired and drives off
Start hacking objective
Get forge gunned from Mt. Everest.

Go to objective again
Get ran over by LAV that can be right next to me and not show up on the radar

Flank to furthest objective
Start hacking
Get sniped from MCC

Try very hard to stick with team (my corp or randoms)
See enemy
Engage en -- ran over by different LAV

Stick with team again.
Engage enemy who is completely defenseless firing rockets at vehicles
Get instakilled by his explode on contact grenade

Go to objective that has no fighting whatsoever.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over for 5 minutes
Get to objective
Hack objective
Almost get in shoot out with enemy
Get Sniped, forgegunned, grenaded, ran over and urinated on.

How was I outskilled by some scrub chucking an instant exploding grenade? How was I outskilled by some scrub on top of a building so high he takes up two pixels on my screen and only knows I'm there to fire on because he sees the objective flash? How was I outskilled by some coward who didn't even have to leave the safety of his spaceship to snipe me while I try to help the team? How was I outskilled by multiple LAV drivers all hauling ass around the map not showing up on radar?

Saying any of those people have skill is like saying an airplane falling onto your house all of a sudden and killing you, outskilled you. Every time I see someone chucking those fuse grenades they have insane KDR's - but this is mostly an objective based game where you have to be within grenades distance while capturing anything from the enemy, so it's basically a damn playground for any one running those grenades and nanohives.

This game requires no talent to excel at. You would think in this first person shooter, you would actually SEE people first person shooting.

1) Drastically decrease the collision damage from vehicles. I don't give a **** if that's unrealistic - it's a damn space suit in 30,000 years from now, it should absorb impact damage better than that anyway. Decrease fall damage while you're at it.

2) Implement some kind of toxic radiation/self destruct for people who sit in the MCC for too long. You'll kick players for not spawning and fullfilling their 'contractual obligation', so why not kill them for not going to engage the enemy and capture the objectives necessary for your side to win and make money?

3) Take out that stupid ass grenade. What the hell were you all thinking? How did it possibly seem like a good way to enhance the FPS or core mechanics of this game?

4) I'm all for snipers/forgegunners having their perches, but keep it within limits. No game lets snipers be SO up high and away from combat. I've never seen a game that pandered so much to long distance warfare.

OR

4) Put all the objectives in some kind of enclosed area that you have to actually be in to kill anyone capping it. Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.

This game is a joke right now, and I can't imagine any major league gamer, who gets sponsored and paid based off their talent for skilled gameplay, ever considering adding it to his repertoire.

EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.

WOW............. This thread sure brought out the fanbois in force.

OP, those of us who know, know what you mean, as for most of the idiots on this post.

One of the biggest problems with this game, and what we have ended up with, is CCP seems to listen to these morons because they inhabit the forums rather than the game itself, yet think they know what they're talking about.

Chin up mate, PS4 is on the way, with a whole swathe of new and hopefully playable FPS's.

case in point

seriously just quit....

How was I outskilled by some scrub chucking an instant exploding grenade? How was I outskilled by some scrub on top of a building so high he takes up two pixels on my screen and only knows I'm there to fire on because he sees the objective flash? How was I outskilled by some coward who didn't even have to leave the safety of his spaceship to snipe me while I try to help the team? How was I outskilled by multiple LAV drivers all hauling ass around the map not showing up on radar?

3) Take out that stupid ass grenade. What the hell were you all thinking? How did it possibly seem like a good way to enhance the FPS or core mechanics of this game?

4) I'm all for snipers/forgegunners having their perches, but keep it within limits. No game lets snipers be SO up high and away from combat. I've never seen a game that pandered so much to long distance warfare.

OR

4) Put all the objectives in some kind of enclosed area that you have to actually be in to kill anyone capping it. Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.

EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.

This post was quite entertaining.



Obviously you weren't as skilled as you thought. There's counters to practically everything... AV I hear is really effective against Vehicles maybe you should try that. As for the grenades, maybe you should scout an area for players prior to running in all willy-nilly.



Because these Contact Grenades are NOTHING like Noob-Tubes in CoD?



This one I'm going to rip apart. Panders to Distance?! ARE YOU MAD?! Do you know where people stop rendering in this game (I.E. They aren't visible.) 450meters... Your argument that, that is pandering to distance, GTFO. We're SNIPERS WE'RE SUPPOSE TO BE AWAY FROM THE COMBAT YOU IMBECILE! Plus there was something about 2 little pixels, sounds just like a sniper doing his job. BTW, if you spot a sniper and you get killed by a sniper like the 27 other times I've said it on this forum, get your basic free sniper fit and counter snipe. Easy Peasy.

BTW If he shot you while you were capping a point its not called camping its called defending, and it's doing ones job. Sorry bud. Did you expect him to let you just run in there and cap it and say here ya go? Maybe get you and espresso while you wait for your hack to finish?





Anytime people start asking for KDR from any other game, or mention KDR, You lose your validity in arguing. This isn't any other game. This isn't your precious COD, This isn't your sweet battlefield, where nothing matters but your KDR... Actually think about the situations before you charge in all craze like.

And to all you who say we're just 'fanboys' You're whats wrong with this, not the mechanics. Because you're the ones who are on this forum day in day out complaining just because you can't actually get any kills in this game.

So let me run you through a pretty typical game.

Run to objective.
Cap it.
Run to next objective
Run into enemy
Engage en -- Instakilled by him immediately chucking a fuse grenade before he even attempts to fire a single bullet.

Proceed to any objective.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
LAV gets tired and drives off
Start hacking objective
Get forge gunned from Mt. Everest.

Go to objective again
Get ran over by LAV that can be right next to me and not show up on the radar

Flank to furthest objective
Start hacking
Get sniped from MCC

Try very hard to stick with team (my corp or randoms)
See enemy
Engage en -- ran over by different LAV

Stick with team again.
Engage enemy who is completely defenseless firing rockets at vehicles
Get instakilled by his explode on contact grenade

Go to objective that has no fighting whatsoever.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over for 5 minutes
Get to objective
Hack objective
Almost get in shoot out with enemy
Get Sniped, forgegunned, grenaded, ran over and urinated on.

How was I outskilled by some scrub chucking an instant exploding grenade? How was I outskilled by some scrub on top of a building so high he takes up two pixels on my screen and only knows I'm there to fire on because he sees the objective flash? How was I outskilled by some coward who didn't even have to leave the safety of his spaceship to snipe me while I try to help the team? How was I outskilled by multiple LAV drivers all hauling ass around the map not showing up on radar?

Saying any of those people have skill is like saying an airplane falling onto your house all of a sudden and killing you, outskilled you. Every time I see someone chucking those fuse grenades they have insane KDR's - but this is mostly an objective based game where you have to be within grenades distance while capturing anything from the enemy, so it's basically a damn playground for any one running those grenades and nanohives.

This game requires no talent to excel at. You would think in this first person shooter, you would actually SEE people first person shooting.

1) Drastically decrease the collision damage from vehicles. I don't give a **** if that's unrealistic - it's a damn space suit in 30,000 years from now, it should absorb impact damage better than that anyway. Decrease fall damage while you're at it.

2) Implement some kind of toxic radiation/self destruct for people who sit in the MCC for too long. You'll kick players for not spawning and fullfilling their 'contractual obligation', so why not kill them for not going to engage the enemy and capture the objectives necessary for your side to win and make money?

3) Take out that stupid ass grenade. What the hell were you all thinking? How did it possibly seem like a good way to enhance the FPS or core mechanics of this game?

4) I'm all for snipers/forgegunners having their perches, but keep it within limits. No game lets snipers be SO up high and away from combat. I've never seen a game that pandered so much to long distance warfare.

OR

4) Put all the objectives in some kind of enclosed area that you have to actually be in to kill anyone capping it. Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.

This game is a joke right now, and I can't imagine any major league gamer, who gets sponsored and paid based off their talent for skilled gameplay, ever considering adding it to his repertoire.

EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.

You can't do that when the maximum vehicle count has been hit for the map, which happens pretty often nowadays. Definitely good advice though.

... quite a bit of the folks qqing about dust are in top tier corps that straight out murder folks. take jumpman for example, he hates this game and jump is a straight out murder machine on every game he plays.

OP, how is it I can pull down ridiculous scores if the game takes no skill? This was all assault rifle on Line Harvest, a map people love to spam free LAVs and tanks...if you know what you're doing, nothing you mentioned will be an issue

stop getting wrecked by free LAVs and starter fits, learn to aim, and please git gud

With this games hit detection and stutter and nonsense shooting anything with a forge gun takes skill

Then why play if it's so bad in your eyes?

I don't.

So wait... You post on a forum of a game that you don't play? Why is that? What is the point?

Interesting.

On every single video game's forum that I've ever visited, inevitably someone ALWAYS posts a thread about how that particular game takes no skill (or, in this case "talent").

Every. Single. One.

Even Pokemon?

So let me run you through a pretty typical game.

Run to objective.
Cap it.
Run to next objective
Run into enemy
Engage en -- Instakilled by him immediately chucking a fuse grenade before he even attempts to fire a single bullet.

Proceed to any objective.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
LAV gets tired and drives off
Start hacking objective
Get forge gunned from Mt. Everest.

Go to objective again
Get ran over by LAV that can be right next to me and not show up on the radar

Flank to furthest objective
Start hacking
Get sniped from MCC

Try very hard to stick with team (my corp or randoms)
See enemy
Engage en -- ran over by different LAV

Stick with team again.
Engage enemy who is completely defenseless firing rockets at vehicles
Get instakilled by his explode on contact grenade

Go to objective that has no fighting whatsoever.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over for 5 minutes
Get to objective
Hack objective
Almost get in shoot out with enemy
Get Sniped, forgegunned, grenaded, ran over and urinated on.

How was I outskilled by some scrub chucking an instant exploding grenade? How was I outskilled by some scrub on top of a building so high he takes up two pixels on my screen and only knows I'm there to fire on because he sees the objective flash? How was I outskilled by some coward who didn't even have to leave the safety of his spaceship to snipe me while I try to help the team? How was I outskilled by multiple LAV drivers all hauling ass around the map not showing up on radar?

Saying any of those people have skill is like saying an airplane falling onto your house all of a sudden and killing you, outskilled you. Every time I see someone chucking those fuse grenades they have insane KDR's - but this is mostly an objective based game where you have to be within grenades distance while capturing anything from the enemy, so it's basically a damn playground for any one running those grenades and nanohives.

This game requires no talent to excel at. You would think in this first person shooter, you would actually SEE people first person shooting.

1) Drastically decrease the collision damage from vehicles. I don't give a **** if that's unrealistic - it's a damn space suit in 30,000 years from now, it should absorb impact damage better than that anyway. Decrease fall damage while you're at it.

2) Implement some kind of toxic radiation/self destruct for people who sit in the MCC for too long. You'll kick players for not spawning and fullfilling their 'contractual obligation', so why not kill them for not going to engage the enemy and capture the objectives necessary for your side to win and make money?

3) Take out that stupid ass grenade. What the hell were you all thinking? How did it possibly seem like a good way to enhance the FPS or core mechanics of this game?

4) I'm all for snipers/forgegunners having their perches, but keep it within limits. No game lets snipers be SO up high and away from combat. I've never seen a game that pandered so much to long distance warfare.

OR

4) Put all the objectives in some kind of enclosed area that you have to actually be in to kill anyone capping it. Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.

This game is a joke right now, and I can't imagine any major league gamer, who gets sponsored and paid based off their talent for skilled gameplay, ever considering adding it to his repertoire.

EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.

Did he just right us an essay?!?

To brighten up your day of course. That and to see if the game will ever improve again. I did play at one time chief. Long time closed beta tester. Lots of us are on break. You should try it. It works great.

I snipe from the mcc

bad company 1-2 + bf3 + 1943

every cod since 4-blops2

halo reach and 4

not counting obscure titles people might have possibly heard of

but never played.

you choose which game you want to compare your stats to mine and im almost positive theyre better than yours.
but for what its worth; I agree this game takes no skill.

Lets see I have 980hp on my dropsuit and my gun shoots 750 rpm at 38hp each, you come along with 210hp on your suit and your gun does 25hp per bullet at 750rpm.

Who should win this fignt 9/10 times?

Yup the proto guy with no skill. Promoting bad players to do good against militia foes. Also choosing not to engage other proto suit users.

This game promotes bad players. That is why so many terrible players defend this trash. It too obvious, you play eve and never played fps, you wear all proto and try hard just to make pos kdr. It helps pc dudes get kills when they usually could never.

That is why there is so many evetards here defending this game to the death.

Lets see I have 980hp on my dropsuit and my gun shoots 750 rpm at 38hp each, you come along with 210hp on your suit and your gun does 25hp per bullet at 750rpm.

Who should win this fignt 9/10 times?

Yup the proto guy with no skill. Promoting bad players to do good against militia foes. Also choosing not to engage other proto suit users.

This game promotes bad players. That is why so many terrible players defend this trash. It too obvious, you play eve and never played fps, you wear all proto and try hard just to make pos kdr. It helps pc dudes get kills when they usually could never.

That is why there is so many evetards here defending this game to the death.

This post was quite entertaining.

Obviously you weren't as skilled as you thought. There's counters to practically everything... AV I hear is really effective against Vehicles maybe you should try that.

I snipe from the mcc

bad company 1-2 + bf3 + 1943

every cod since 4-blops2

halo reach and 4

not counting obscure titles people might have possibly heard of

but never played.

you choose which game you want to compare your stats to mine and im almost positive theyre better than yours.
but for what its worth; I agree this game takes no skill.

Any of the fanboys in this thread notice the 29 'likes' (people agreeing with) the OP?

Every complaint he has is 100000% valid. He did it in a bit of a bitchy way, but whatever. Obviously, no matter how obnoxious your responses are, he's correct in his complaints by a mile.

Any of the fanboys in this thread notice the 29 'likes' (people agreeing with) the OP?

Every complaint he has is 100000% valid. He did it in a bit of a bitchy way, but whatever. Obviously, no matter how obnoxious your responses are, he's correct in his complaints by a mile.

Whenever I hear someone make this argument, I swear they've never even attempted to follow their own advice.

Try AV nades on a Logi LAV, see how many dozens of them you need to land before the thing blows up.

all this just to QQ about LAVs and sniping? o.0

You sir are full of rage - take a break, while I use my logi-lav to run over your team <3

and it DOES require skill.... points :D

Any of the fanboys in this thread notice the 29 'likes' (people agreeing with) the OP?

Every complaint he has is 100000% valid. He did it in a bit of a bitchy way, but whatever. Obviously, no matter how obnoxious your responses are, he's correct in his complaints by a mile.

So let me run you through a pretty typical game.

Run to objective.
Cap it.
Run to next objective
Run into enemy
Engage en -- Instakilled by him immediately chucking a fuse grenade before he even attempts to fire a single bullet.

Proceed to any objective.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
LAV gets tired and drives off
Start hacking objective
Get forge gunned from Mt. Everest.

Go to objective again
Get ran over by LAV that can be right next to me and not show up on the radar

Flank to furthest objective
Start hacking
Get sniped from MCC

Try very hard to stick with team (my corp or randoms)
Excruciatingly hop up half a hill.
Run out of stamina
Wait for stamina to recharge
Hop the rest the way up the hill my 85 year old grandmother could walk up without stopping
See enemy
Engage en -- ran over by different LAV that drove up the hill.

Stick with team again.
Engage enemy who is completely defenseless firing rockets at vehicles
Get instakilled by his explode on contact grenade

Go to objective that has no fighting whatsoever.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over for 5 minutes
Get to objective
Hack objective
Almost get in shoot out with enemy
Get stuck on random, non-existent invisible debris
Get Sniped, forgegunned, grenaded, ran over, and urinated on.

How was I outskilled by some scrub chucking an instant exploding grenade? How was I outskilled by some scrub on top of a building so high he takes up two pixels on my screen and only knows I'm there to fire on because he sees the objective flash? How was I outskilled by some coward who didn't even have to leave the safety of his spaceship to snipe me while I try to help the team? How was I outskilled by multiple LAV drivers all hauling ass around the map not showing up on radar?

Saying any of those people have skill is like saying an airplane falling onto your house all of a sudden and killing you, outskilled you. Every time I see someone chucking those fuse grenades they have insane KDR's - but this is mostly an objective based game where you have to be within grenades distance while capturing anything from the enemy, so it's basically a damn playground for any one running those grenades and nanohives.

This game requires no talent to excel at. You would think in this first person shooter, you would actually SEE people first person shooting.

1) Drastically decrease the collision damage from vehicles. I don't give a **** if that's unrealistic - it's a damn space suit in 30,000 years from now, it should absorb impact damage better than that anyway. Decrease fall damage while you're at it.

2) Implement some kind of toxic radiation/self destruct for people who sit in the MCC for too long. You'll kick players for not spawning and fullfilling their 'contractual obligation', so why not kill them for not going to engage the enemy and capture the objectives necessary for your side to win and make money?

3) Take out that stupid ass grenade. What the hell were you all thinking? How did it possibly seem like a good way to enhance the FPS or core mechanics of this game?

4) I'm all for snipers/forgegunners having their perches, but keep it within limits. No game lets snipers be SO up high and away from combat. I've never seen a game that pandered so much to long distance warfare.

OR

4) Put all the objectives in some kind of enclosed area that you have to actually be in to kill anyone capping it. Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.

This game is a joke right now, and I can't imagine any major league gamer, who gets sponsored and paid based off their talent for skilled gameplay, ever considering adding it to his repertoire.

EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.

EDIT: Comprehend what I just said. I did not say I have a better KDR in other games than you. I did not say you have an awful KDR in every game but this one. What I said was - If you use and defend these tactics, I bet your KDR is notably higher in this game than other FPS's and it's not because you are good. It's because you exploit these scrubby tactics.

I just realized you're a big fat troll.

Let me solve your problem...

1.) LAVs: Look/Listen before crossing the street. Don't stand in the middle of the street like a dingus. LAVs make /a lot/ of noise, if you hear one, there is plenty of time to run for cover. Also: Proximity Explosives?

2.) MCC: This is a good idea but is in CCP's very capable hands.

3.) Nades: If people are using "Hacked" grenades, don't get close enough for them to be effective.

4.) Snipers/Forge Guns: Learn to dropship. Counter snipe. Cap a different objective.

You seem like the kind of player who is very stuck in their ways. DUST is about adapting to the task at hand. Try something different when you're losing. If you don't like it: Leave. Play a different game.

Wow firstly congratulations this must have taken a while ... now thst you have vented have a little thinkvabout this , if all these folks who pound you in various ways require or have no tallent how little tallent do you have being pounded in so many tallentless ways .

Talent? ITS A FREAKING VIDEO GAME! We dont need that stuff in a video game. keep your talents to your self.

So let me run you through a pretty typical game.

Run to objective.
Cap it.
Run to next objective
Run into enemy
Engage en -- Instakilled by him immediately chucking a fuse grenade before he even attempts to fire a single bullet.

Proceed to any objective.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
LAV gets tired and drives off
Start hacking objective
Get forge gunned from Mt. Everest.

Go to objective again
Get ran over by LAV that can be right next to me and not show up on the radar

Flank to furthest objective
Start hacking
Get sniped from MCC

Try very hard to stick with team (my corp or randoms)
Excruciatingly hop up half a hill.
Run out of stamina
Wait for stamina to recharge
Hop the rest the way up the hill my 85 year old grandmother could walk up without stopping
See enemy
Engage en -- ran over by different LAV that drove up the hill.

Stick with team again.
Engage enemy who is completely defenseless firing rockets at vehicles
Get instakilled by his explode on contact grenade

Go to objective that has no fighting whatsoever.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over for 5 minutes
Get to objective
Hack objective
Almost get in shoot out with enemy
Get stuck on random, non-existent invisible debris
Get Sniped, forgegunned, grenaded, ran over, and urinated on.

How was I outskilled by some scrub chucking an instant exploding grenade? How was I outskilled by some scrub on top of a building so high he takes up two pixels on my screen and only knows I'm there to fire on because he sees the objective flash? How was I outskilled by some coward who didn't even have to leave the safety of his spaceship to snipe me while I try to help the team? How was I outskilled by multiple LAV drivers all hauling ass around the map not showing up on radar?

Saying any of those people have skill is like saying an airplane falling onto your house all of a sudden and killing you, outskilled you. Every time I see someone chucking those fuse grenades they have insane KDR's - but this is mostly an objective based game where you have to be within grenades distance while capturing anything from the enemy, so it's basically a damn playground for any one running those grenades and nanohives.

This game requires no talent to excel at. You would think in this first person shooter, you would actually SEE people first person shooting.

1) Drastically decrease the collision damage from vehicles. I don't give a **** if that's unrealistic - it's a damn space suit in 30,000 years from now, it should absorb impact damage better than that anyway. Decrease fall damage while you're at it.

2) Implement some kind of toxic radiation/self destruct for people who sit in the MCC for too long. You'll kick players for not spawning and fullfilling their 'contractual obligation', so why not kill them for not going to engage the enemy and capture the objectives necessary for your side to win and make money?

3) Take out that stupid ass grenade. What the hell were you all thinking? How did it possibly seem like a good way to enhance the FPS or core mechanics of this game?

4) I'm all for snipers/forgegunners having their perches, but keep it within limits. No game lets snipers be SO up high and away from combat. I've never seen a game that pandered so much to long distance warfare.

OR

4) Put all the objectives in some kind of enclosed area that you have to actually be in to kill anyone capping it. Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.

This game is a joke right now, and I can't imagine any major league gamer, who gets sponsored and paid based off their talent for skilled gameplay, ever considering adding it to his repertoire.

EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.

EDIT: Comprehend what I just said. I did not say I have a better KDR in other games than you. I did not say you have an awful KDR in every game but this one. What I said was - If you use and defend these tactics, I bet your KDR is notably higher in this game than other FPS's and it's not because you are good. It's because you exploit these scrubby tactics.

There are other game modes then a skirmish and dom. Try it

Sounds like someone is a baby. Try a PC match if you dont like pub. What a baby.
Get AV stuff for LAV's
Learn to kill some.
Most of all QQ. Learn not to die so much you baby

How are the RE's in this build? I remember they were definitely being abused in a previous build. You could throw them like grenades, they had an insane blast radius, instant death... They were like the remote explosives in Perfect Dark (N64), lol.

The only time I ever was killed by one is after I knifed the guy that planted it, then out of curiosity upon seeing this weird looking thing he placed on the ground, I knifed it. I found out pretty quick what it was.

Did he just right us an essay?!?

So let me run you through a pretty typical game.

Run to objective.
Cap it.
Run to next objective
Run into enemy
Engage en -- Instakilled by him immediately chucking a contact fuse grenade before he even attempts to fire a single bullet.

Proceed to any objective.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
LAV gets tired and drives off
Start hacking objective
Get forge gunned from Mt. Everest.

Go to objective again
Get ran over by LAV that can be right next to me and not show up on the radar

Flank to furthest objective
Start hacking
Get sniped from MCC

Try very hard to stick with team (my corp or randoms)
Excruciatingly hop up half a hill.
Run out of stamina
Wait for stamina to recharge
Hop the rest the way up the hill my 85 year old grandmother could walk up without stopping
See enemy
Engage en -- ran over by different LAV that drove up the hill.

Stick with team again.
Engage enemy who is completely defenseless firing rockets at vehicles
Get instakilled by his explode on contact grenade

Go to objective that has no fighting whatsoever.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over for 5 minutes
Get to objective
Hack objective
Almost get in shoot out with enemy
Get stuck on random, non-existent invisible debris
Get Sniped, forgegunned, grenaded, ran over, and urinated on.

How was I outskilled by some scrub chucking an instant exploding grenade? How was I outskilled by some scrub on top of a building so high he takes up two pixels on my screen and only knows I'm there to fire on because he sees the objective flash? How was I outskilled by some coward who didn't even have to leave the safety of his spaceship to snipe me while I try to help the team? How was I outskilled by multiple LAV drivers all hauling ass around the map not showing up on radar?

Saying any of those people have skill is like saying an airplane falling onto your house all of a sudden and killing you, outskilled you. Every time I see someone chucking those fuse grenades they have insane KDR's - but this is mostly an objective based game where you have to be within grenades distance while capturing anything from the enemy, so it's basically a damn playground for any one running those grenades and nanohives.

This game requires no talent to excel at. You would think in this first person shooter, you would actually SEE people first person shooting.

1) Drastically decrease the collision damage from vehicles. I don't give a **** if that's unrealistic - it's a damn space suit in 30,000 years from now, it should absorb impact damage better than that anyway. Decrease fall damage while you're at it.

2) Implement some kind of toxic radiation/self destruct for people who sit in the MCC for too long. You'll kick players for not spawning and fullfilling their 'contractual obligation', so why not kill them for not going to engage the enemy and capture the objectives necessary for your side to win and make money?

3) Take out that stupid ass grenade. What the hell were you all thinking? How did it possibly seem like a good way to enhance the FPS or core mechanics of this game?

4) I'm all for snipers/forgegunners having their perches, but keep it within limits. No game lets snipers be SO up high and away from combat. I've never seen a game that pandered so much to long distance warfare.

OR

4) Put all the objectives in some kind of enclosed area that you have to actually be in to kill anyone capping it. Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.

This game is a joke right now, and I can't imagine any major league gamer, who gets sponsored and paid based off their talent for skilled gameplay, ever considering adding it to his repertoire.

EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.

EDIT: Comprehend what I just said. I did not say I have a better KDR in other games than you. I did not say you have an awful KDR in every game but this one. What I said was - If you use and defend these tactics, I bet your KDR is notably higher in this game than other FPS's and it's not because you are good. It's because you exploit these scrubby tactics.

Get Sniped, forgegunned, grenaded, ran over, and urinated on.

Asher:

Hmm. You seem to be taking a lot of sh*t from folks in this thread.

Well, I'm here to tell you not to worry one bit about that. Why? Because those folks are what other gamers call "fanboys" and even the occasional "fangirl." They're the foam-at-the-mouth types who defend their beloved games. They're the developers' attack dogs.

In the end, there's maybe a couple hundred of them. That's not enough to support Dust 514 in the long run, when just about everyone else will have moved on or reduced the amount of time they devote to Dust 514.

So, grin and bear it, Asher. Folks like you will get the last laugh.

1) Drastically decrease the collision damage from vehicles. I don't give a **** if that's unrealistic - it's a damn space suit in 30,000 years from now, it should absorb impact damage better than that anyway. Decrease fall damage while you're at it.


I made this point the other day when I got my heavy suit armor up to 1012 which is more than a light sheild LAV, shouldn't that at least mean the LAV would explode hitting me lol ?

1) Drastically decrease the collision damage from vehicles. I don't give a **** if that's unrealistic - it's a damn space suit in 30,000 years from now, it should absorb impact damage better than that anyway. Decrease fall damage while you're at it.


I made this point the other day when I got my heavy suit armor up to 1012 which is more than a light sheild LAV, shouldn't that at least mean the LAV would explode hitting me lol ?

So let me run you through a pretty typical game.

Run to objective.
Cap it.
Run to next objective
Run into enemy
Engage en -- Instakilled by him immediately chucking a contact fuse grenade before he even attempts to fire a single bullet.

Proceed to any objective.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
LAV gets tired and drives off
Start hacking objective
Get forge gunned from Mt. Everest.

Go to objective again
Get ran over by LAV that can be right next to me and not show up on the radar

Flank to furthest objective
Start hacking
Get sniped from MCC

Try very hard to stick with team (my corp or randoms)
Excruciatingly hop up half a hill.
Run out of stamina
Wait for stamina to recharge
Hop the rest the way up the hill my 85 year old grandmother could walk up without stopping
See enemy
Engage en -- ran over by different LAV that drove up the hill.

Stick with team again.
Engage enemy who is completely defenseless firing rockets at vehicles
Get instakilled by his explode on contact grenade

Go to objective that has no fighting whatsoever.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over for 5 minutes
Get to objective
Hack objective
Almost get in shoot out with enemy
Get stuck on random, non-existent invisible debris
Get Sniped, forgegunned, grenaded, ran over, and urinated on.

How was I outskilled by some scrub chucking an instant exploding grenade? How was I outskilled by some scrub on top of a building so high he takes up two pixels on my screen and only knows I'm there to fire on because he sees the objective flash? How was I outskilled by some coward who didn't even have to leave the safety of his spaceship to snipe me while I try to help the team? How was I outskilled by multiple LAV drivers all hauling ass around the map not showing up on radar?

Saying any of those people have skill is like saying an airplane falling onto your house all of a sudden and killing you, outskilled you. Every time I see someone chucking those fuse grenades they have insane KDR's - but this is mostly an objective based game where you have to be within grenades distance while capturing anything from the enemy, so it's basically a damn playground for any one running those grenades and nanohives.

This game requires no talent to excel at. You would think in this first person shooter, you would actually SEE people first person shooting.

1) Drastically decrease the collision damage from vehicles. I don't give a **** if that's unrealistic - it's a damn space suit in 30,000 years from now, it should absorb impact damage better than that anyway. Decrease fall damage while you're at it.

2) Implement some kind of toxic radiation/self destruct for people who sit in the MCC for too long. You'll kick players for not spawning and fullfilling their 'contractual obligation', so why not kill them for not going to engage the enemy and capture the objectives necessary for your side to win and make money?

3) Take out that stupid ass grenade. What the hell were you all thinking? How did it possibly seem like a good way to enhance the FPS or core mechanics of this game?

4) I'm all for snipers/forgegunners having their perches, but keep it within limits. No game lets snipers be SO up high and away from combat. I've never seen a game that pandered so much to long distance warfare.

OR

4) Put all the objectives in some kind of enclosed area that you have to actually be in to kill anyone capping it. Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.

This game is a joke right now, and I can't imagine any major league gamer, who gets sponsored and paid based off their talent for skilled gameplay, ever considering adding it to his repertoire.

EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.

EDIT: Comprehend what I just said. I did not say I have a better KDR in other games than you. I did not say you have an awful KDR in every game but this one. What I said was - If you use and defend these tactics, I bet your KDR is notably higher in this game than other FPS's and it's not because you are good. It's because you exploit these scrubby tactics.

You know my favorite thing about Fused nades?

CCP saw people hated fused grenades, and asked why; --> so they made every grenade in the game detonate 2s after hitting something to combat the 'no skill argument' --> CCP saw that everyone hated that change, so they reverted it ---> CCP added prototype level ISK versions of the fused grenades


See the pattern?


Hint: CCP - Just remove them, or just massively reduce the damage to that of the sleek variants. v0v

LAV have solid frame. Mercs are all soft and squishy inside. You do the math.

I read 3 sentences and realized this was actually QQ about LAV and Grenades... stopped reading.

ok so the game doesnt play the way you want it...so what? you dont like how the game is then go back to call of balance 2 and fair field 3....you dont need talent to kill people...all you need is a good excuse..

I have never, ever seen a Fused Locus Grenade used against me and have only ONCE seen someone get killed by them in a game. And yet that are probably the second most hated thing on the forums, just below Murder Taxis. I feel like I am missing out on a lot of the hate opportunities.

Be well.