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Asher Night
187. League of Infamy
139
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Posted - 2013.06.25 04:34:00 -
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So let me run you through a pretty typical game.
Run to objective. Cap it. Run to next objective Run into enemy Engage en -- Instakilled by him immediately chucking a fuse grenade before he even attempts to fire a single bullet.
Proceed to any objective. Avoid LAV trying to run me over Avoid same LAV trying to run me over Avoid same LAV trying to run me over LAV gets tired and drives off Start hacking objective Get forge gunned from Mt. Everest.
Go to objective again Get ran over by LAV that can be right next to me and not show up on the radar
Flank to furthest objective Start hacking Get sniped from MCC
Try very hard to stick with team (my corp or randoms) See enemy Engage en -- ran over by different LAV
Stick with team again. Engage enemy who is completely defenseless firing rockets at vehicles Get instakilled by his explode on contact grenade
How was I outskilled by some scrub chucking an instant exploding grenade? How was I outskilled by some scrub on top of a building so high he takes up two pixels on my screen and only knows I'm there to fire on because he sees the objective flash? How was I outskilled by some coward who didn't even have to leave the safety of his spaceship to snipe me while I try to help the team? How was I outskilled by multiple LAV drivers all hauling ass around the map not showing up on radar?
Saying any of those people have skill is like saying an airplane falling onto your house all of a sudden and killing you, outskilled you. Every time I see someone chucking those fuse grenades they have insane KDR's - but this is mostly an objective based game where you have to be within grenades distance while capturing anything from the enemy, so it's basically a damn playground for any one running those grenades and nanohives.
This game requires no talent to excel at. You would think in this first person shooter, you would actually SEE people first person shooting.
1) Drastically decrease the collision damage from vehicles. I don't give a **** if that's unrealistic - it's a damn space suit in 30,000 years from now, it should absorb impact damage better than that anyway. Decrease fall damage while your at it.
2) Implement some kind of toxic radiation/self destruct for people who sit in the MCC for too long. You'll kick players for not spawning and fullfilling their 'contractual obligation', so why not kill them for not going to engage the enemy and capture the objectives necessary for your side to win and make money?
3) Take out that stupid ass grenade. What the hell were you all thinking? How did it possibly seem like a good way to enhance the FPS or core mechanics of this game?
4) I'm all for snipers/forgegunners having their perches, but keep it within limits. No game lets snipers be SO up high and away from combat. I've never seen a game that pandered so much to long distance warfare.
OR
4) Put all the objectives in some kind of enclosed area that you have to actually be in to kill anyone capping it. Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.
This game is a joke right now, and I can't imagine any major league gamer, who gets sponsored and paid based off their talent for skilled gameplay, ever considering adding it to his repertoire. |
CAPT vodkaTRAIN37
west coast special operations
24
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Posted - 2013.06.25 04:37:00 -
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http://youtu.be/WhMKxHCx3Hc This is wat ur missing out on |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2716
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Posted - 2013.06.25 04:42:00 -
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all this just to QQ about LAVs and sniping? o.0
You sir are full of rage - take a break, while I use my logi-lav to run over your team <3
and it DOES require skill.... points :D |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
613
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Posted - 2013.06.25 04:43:00 -
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get good noob |
JETSTORM1090
Against All Oddz
94
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Posted - 2013.06.25 04:59:00 -
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Did he just right us an essay?!? |
BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG
Expert Intervention Caldari State
273
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:02:00 -
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Asher Night wrote: EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.
LOLKDR |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
472
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:05:00 -
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All valid issues, now you see why every third post is from people angry about the state of this game.
After using fused nades in PC... Lol.. I feel so sorry for scouts. |
Draka Marintu
TeamPlayers EoN.
40
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:06:00 -
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I think it was a monologue
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JETSTORM1090
Against All Oddz
94
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:07:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:All valid issues, now you see why every third post is from people angry about the state of this game.
After using fused nades in PC... Lol.. I feel so sorry for scouts. I feel sorry for scouts regardless of what's being thrown at them, but kudos to them for sticking with it I guess. |
BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG
Expert Intervention Caldari State
273
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:12:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:
4) Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.
No way no game does that ever |
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echo47
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:12:00 -
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@Assher Night
Its a game. Get a life.
Thanks for the QQ email, it made getting run over by a LAV, sniped form the MCC and instakilled by a contact grenade all worth it. |
Asher Night
187. League of Infamy
144
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:17:00 -
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echo47 wrote:@Assher Night
Its a game. Get a life.
Thanks for the QQ email, it made getting run over by a LAV, sniped form the MCC and instakilled by a contact grenade all worth it.
Hey, no problem, but if that's the kind of thing that actually brings you pleasure then something tells me you have a misguided sense of happiness and undoubtedly a more pathetic lack of life than you think I do. |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc
552
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:19:00 -
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lol @ everybody critiquing the size of his post and tone. None of them even attempting to counter the issues he brought to light.
Skill does not matter in this game 'skill points' do. Ever here that voice before matches that says something a long the lines of, 'don't have skill? Buy Aur!'. Smh |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
1064
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:23:00 -
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You know my favorite thing about Fused nades?
CCP saw people hated fused grenades, and asked why; --> so they made every grenade in the game detonate 2s after hitting something to combat the 'no skill argument' --> CCP saw that everyone hated that change, so they reverted it ---> CCP added prototype level ISK versions of the fused grenades
See the pattern?
Hint: CCP - Just remove them, or just massively reduce the damage to that of the sleek variants. v0v
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Acturus Galaxy
Horizons' Edge Orion Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:33:00 -
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BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG wrote:Asher Night wrote: EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.
LOLKDR
Yep, this is tne main problem here. Focusing on your kill death ratio will just make you mad playing this game. Instead focus on the match outcome, will it be a Victory or Defeat, that is all that counts. And stop running in proto suits if you get mad about being run over by LAVs. |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
115
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:34:00 -
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Damnit Nova, it's hard to troll you when you're being all sensible and crap... |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
347
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:34:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:You know my favorite thing about Fused nades?
CCP saw people hated fused grenades, and asked why; --> so they made every grenade in the game detonate 2s after hitting something to combat the 'no skill argument' --> CCP saw that everyone hated that change, so they reverted it ---> CCP added prototype level ISK versions of the fused grenades
See the pattern?
Hint: CCP - Just remove them, or just massively reduce the damage to that of the sleek variants. v0v
HAIL NOVA! You've returned from the WALL! |
hooc roht
Deep Space Republic
89
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:45:00 -
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You know if your target is more then 30 seconds away on foot you can call in an LAV and walk drive there in less time....it is safer as well. |
BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG
Expert Intervention Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:48:00 -
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Acturus Galaxy wrote:BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG wrote:Asher Night wrote: EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.
LOLKDR Yep, this is tne main problem here. Focusing on your kill death ratio will just make you mad playing this game. Instead focus on the match outcome, will it be a Victory or Defeat, that is all that counts. And stop running in proto suits if you get mad about being run over by LAVs.
I meant that there is 8000 ways to alter it so its irrelevant. True kdr from good players matter but 99% are stat managing scrublets so that's why I lold at the thought of it. |
Asher Night
187. League of Infamy
148
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:50:00 -
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@ Acturus
No, what's frustrating is not being able to do anything or having a valid chance at survival just because others want to pad their KDR and not go for objectives. Note how I said in most of my examples that I was heading to objectives, not looking for enemies to kill, where as the majority of people who use these tactics are not capping objectives. They are just camping one single square foot of space they know someone will have to step into.
@ hooc roht You can't do that when the maximum vehicle count has been hit for the map, which happens pretty often nowadays. Definitely good advice though. |
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GinnyHub
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:51:00 -
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This is what happens right before the client is deleted. Seriously. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
349
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:58:00 -
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psh.. next thing will be that RE should not be used as grenades.
*quite dude!*
NO ONE TOUCHING MY RE! Send OP to the NIGHT WATCH! The wall for him! |
Asher Night
187. League of Infamy
151
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Posted - 2013.06.25 06:15:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:psh.. next thing will be that RE should not be used as grenades. *quite dude!* NO ONE TOUCHING MY RE! Send OP to the NIGHT WATCH! The wall for him!
How are the RE's in this build? I remember they were definitely being abused in a previous build. You could throw them like grenades, they had an insane blast radius, instant death... They were like the remote explosives in Perfect Dark (N64), lol.
The only time I ever was killed by one is after I knifed the guy that planted it, then out of curiosity upon seeing this weird looking thing he placed on the ground, I knifed it. I found out pretty quick what it was. |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
509
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Posted - 2013.06.25 06:17:00 -
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grumpy! |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens League of Infamy
245
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Posted - 2013.06.25 06:18:00 -
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I have never, ever seen a Fused Locus Grenade used against me and have only ONCE seen someone get killed by them in a game. And yet that are probably the second most hated thing on the forums, just below Murder Taxis. I feel like I am missing out on a lot of the hate opportunities.
Be well. |
Quill Killian
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
175
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Posted - 2013.06.25 06:24:00 -
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Asher:
Hmm. You seem to be taking a lot of sh*t from folks in this thread.
Well, I'm here to tell you not to worry one bit about that. Why? Because those folks are what other gamers call "fanboys" and even the occasional "fangirl." They're the foam-at-the-mouth types who defend their beloved games. They're the developers' attack dogs.
In the end, there's maybe a couple hundred of them. That's not enough to support Dust 514 in the long run, when just about everyone else will have moved on or reduced the amount of time they devote to Dust 514.
So, grin and bear it, Asher. Folks like you will get the last laugh. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
349
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Posted - 2013.06.25 06:24:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:Surt gods end wrote:psh.. next thing will be that RE should not be used as grenades. *quite dude!* NO ONE TOUCHING MY RE! Send OP to the NIGHT WATCH! The wall for him! How are the RE's in this build? I remember they were definitely being abused in a previous build. You could throw them like grenades, they had an insane blast radius, instant death... They were like the remote explosives in Perfect Dark (N64), lol. The only time I ever was killed by one is after I knifed the guy that planted it, then out of curiosity upon seeing this weird looking thing he placed on the ground, I knifed it. I found out pretty quick what it was.
........... Um.. they got nerfed already. they are basically heating pads now. enemy has a cramp? throw an re at him. yup...
*dude RE are.. *
shut up!
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
245
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Posted - 2013.06.25 06:34:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:So let me run you through a pretty typical game.
Run to objective. Cap it. Run to next objective Run into enemy Engage en -- Instakilled by him immediately chucking a fuse grenade before he even attempts to fire a single bullet.
Proceed to any objective. Avoid LAV trying to run me over Avoid same LAV trying to run me over Avoid same LAV trying to run me over LAV gets tired and drives off Start hacking objective Get forge gunned from Mt. Everest.
Go to objective again Get ran over by LAV that can be right next to me and not show up on the radar
Flank to furthest objective Start hacking Get sniped from MCC
Try very hard to stick with team (my corp or randoms) See enemy Engage en -- ran over by different LAV
Stick with team again. Engage enemy who is completely defenseless firing rockets at vehicles Get instakilled by his explode on contact grenade
Go to objective that has no fighting whatsoever. Avoid LAV trying to run me over for 5 minutes Get to objective Hack objective Almost get in shoot out with enemy Get Sniped, forgegunned, grenaded, ran over and urinated on.
How was I outskilled by some scrub chucking an instant exploding grenade? How was I outskilled by some scrub on top of a building so high he takes up two pixels on my screen and only knows I'm there to fire on because he sees the objective flash? How was I outskilled by some coward who didn't even have to leave the safety of his spaceship to snipe me while I try to help the team? How was I outskilled by multiple LAV drivers all hauling ass around the map not showing up on radar?
Saying any of those people have skill is like saying an airplane falling onto your house all of a sudden and killing you, outskilled you. Every time I see someone chucking those fuse grenades they have insane KDR's - but this is mostly an objective based game where you have to be within grenades distance while capturing anything from the enemy, so it's basically a damn playground for any one running those grenades and nanohives.
This game requires no talent to excel at. You would think in this first person shooter, you would actually SEE people first person shooting.
1) Drastically decrease the collision damage from vehicles. I don't give a **** if that's unrealistic - it's a damn space suit in 30,000 years from now, it should absorb impact damage better than that anyway. Decrease fall damage while you're at it.
2) Implement some kind of toxic radiation/self destruct for people who sit in the MCC for too long. You'll kick players for not spawning and fullfilling their 'contractual obligation', so why not kill them for not going to engage the enemy and capture the objectives necessary for your side to win and make money?
3) Take out that stupid ass grenade. What the hell were you all thinking? How did it possibly seem like a good way to enhance the FPS or core mechanics of this game?
4) I'm all for snipers/forgegunners having their perches, but keep it within limits. No game lets snipers be SO up high and away from combat. I've never seen a game that pandered so much to long distance warfare.
OR
4) Put all the objectives in some kind of enclosed area that you have to actually be in to kill anyone capping it. Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.
This game is a joke right now, and I can't imagine any major league gamer, who gets sponsored and paid based off their talent for skilled gameplay, ever considering adding it to his repertoire.
EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.
NO FPS requires any talent. |
echo47
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2013.06.25 06:46:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:lol @ everybody critiquing the size of his post and tone. None of them even attempting to counter the issues he brought to light.
Skill does not matter in this game 'skill points' do. Ever here that voice before matches that says something a long the lines of, 'don't have skill? Buy Aur!'. Smh
There is no point to counter the issues he brought up are all true, and everyone knows it. To send hate mail and post in GD about topics that have pretty much been "discussed" to death serves no purpose. |
Aoena Rays
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
237
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Posted - 2013.06.25 06:50:00 -
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Nod Keras would disagree with you: http://www.youtube.com/user/KerasLow/videos |
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