So let me run you through a pretty typical game.

Run to objective.
Cap it.
Run to next objective
Run into enemy
Engage en -- Instakilled by him immediately chucking a fuse grenade before he even attempts to fire a single bullet.

Proceed to any objective.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
LAV gets tired and drives off
Start hacking objective
Get forge gunned from Mt. Everest.

Go to objective again
Get ran over by LAV that can be right next to me and not show up on the radar

Flank to furthest objective
Start hacking
Get sniped from MCC

Try very hard to stick with team (my corp or randoms)
See enemy
Engage en -- ran over by different LAV

Stick with team again.
Engage enemy who is completely defenseless firing rockets at vehicles
Get instakilled by his explode on contact grenade

Go to objective that has no fighting whatsoever.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over for 5 minutes
Get to objective
Hack objective
Almost get in shoot out with enemy
Get Sniped, forgegunned, grenaded, ran over and urinated on.

How was I outskilled by some scrub chucking an instant exploding grenade? How was I outskilled by some scrub on top of a building so high he takes up two pixels on my screen and only knows I'm there to fire on because he sees the objective flash? How was I outskilled by some coward who didn't even have to leave the safety of his spaceship to snipe me while I try to help the team? How was I outskilled by multiple LAV drivers all hauling ass around the map not showing up on radar?

Saying any of those people have skill is like saying an airplane falling onto your house all of a sudden and killing you, outskilled you. Every time I see someone chucking those fuse grenades they have insane KDR's - but this is mostly an objective based game where you have to be within grenades distance while capturing anything from the enemy, so it's basically a damn playground for any one running those grenades and nanohives.

This game requires no talent to excel at. You would think in this first person shooter, you would actually SEE people first person shooting.

1) Drastically decrease the collision damage from vehicles. I don't give a **** if that's unrealistic - it's a damn space suit in 30,000 years from now, it should absorb impact damage better than that anyway. Decrease fall damage while you're at it.

2) Implement some kind of toxic radiation/self destruct for people who sit in the MCC for too long. You'll kick players for not spawning and fullfilling their 'contractual obligation', so why not kill them for not going to engage the enemy and capture the objectives necessary for your side to win and make money?

3) Take out that stupid ass grenade. What the hell were you all thinking? How did it possibly seem like a good way to enhance the FPS or core mechanics of this game?

4) I'm all for snipers/forgegunners having their perches, but keep it within limits. No game lets snipers be SO up high and away from combat. I've never seen a game that pandered so much to long distance warfare.

OR

4) Put all the objectives in some kind of enclosed area that you have to actually be in to kill anyone capping it. Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.

This game is a joke right now, and I can't imagine any major league gamer, who gets sponsored and paid based off their talent for skilled gameplay, ever considering adding it to his repertoire.

EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.

You can't do that when the maximum vehicle count has been hit for the map, which happens pretty often nowadays. Definitely good advice though.

... quite a bit of the folks qqing about dust are in top tier corps that straight out murder folks. take jumpman for example, he hates this game and jump is a straight out murder machine on every game he plays.

OP, how is it I can pull down ridiculous scores if the game takes no skill? This was all assault rifle on Line Harvest, a map people love to spam free LAVs and tanks...if you know what you're doing, nothing you mentioned will be an issue

stop getting wrecked by free LAVs and starter fits, learn to aim, and please git gud

With this games hit detection and stutter and nonsense shooting anything with a forge gun takes skill

Then why play if it's so bad in your eyes?

I don't.

So wait... You post on a forum of a game that you don't play? Why is that? What is the point?

Interesting.

On every single video game's forum that I've ever visited, inevitably someone ALWAYS posts a thread about how that particular game takes no skill (or, in this case "talent").

Every. Single. One.

Even Pokemon?

So let me run you through a pretty typical game.

Run to objective.
Cap it.
Run to next objective
Run into enemy
Engage en -- Instakilled by him immediately chucking a fuse grenade before he even attempts to fire a single bullet.

Proceed to any objective.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
Avoid same LAV trying to run me over
LAV gets tired and drives off
Start hacking objective
Get forge gunned from Mt. Everest.

Go to objective again
Get ran over by LAV that can be right next to me and not show up on the radar

Flank to furthest objective
Start hacking
Get sniped from MCC

Try very hard to stick with team (my corp or randoms)
See enemy
Engage en -- ran over by different LAV

Stick with team again.
Engage enemy who is completely defenseless firing rockets at vehicles
Get instakilled by his explode on contact grenade

Go to objective that has no fighting whatsoever.
Avoid LAV trying to run me over for 5 minutes
Get to objective
Hack objective
Almost get in shoot out with enemy
Get Sniped, forgegunned, grenaded, ran over and urinated on.

How was I outskilled by some scrub chucking an instant exploding grenade? How was I outskilled by some scrub on top of a building so high he takes up two pixels on my screen and only knows I'm there to fire on because he sees the objective flash? How was I outskilled by some coward who didn't even have to leave the safety of his spaceship to snipe me while I try to help the team? How was I outskilled by multiple LAV drivers all hauling ass around the map not showing up on radar?

Saying any of those people have skill is like saying an airplane falling onto your house all of a sudden and killing you, outskilled you. Every time I see someone chucking those fuse grenades they have insane KDR's - but this is mostly an objective based game where you have to be within grenades distance while capturing anything from the enemy, so it's basically a damn playground for any one running those grenades and nanohives.

This game requires no talent to excel at. You would think in this first person shooter, you would actually SEE people first person shooting.

1) Drastically decrease the collision damage from vehicles. I don't give a **** if that's unrealistic - it's a damn space suit in 30,000 years from now, it should absorb impact damage better than that anyway. Decrease fall damage while you're at it.

2) Implement some kind of toxic radiation/self destruct for people who sit in the MCC for too long. You'll kick players for not spawning and fullfilling their 'contractual obligation', so why not kill them for not going to engage the enemy and capture the objectives necessary for your side to win and make money?

3) Take out that stupid ass grenade. What the hell were you all thinking? How did it possibly seem like a good way to enhance the FPS or core mechanics of this game?

4) I'm all for snipers/forgegunners having their perches, but keep it within limits. No game lets snipers be SO up high and away from combat. I've never seen a game that pandered so much to long distance warfare.

OR

4) Put all the objectives in some kind of enclosed area that you have to actually be in to kill anyone capping it. Snipers should be allowed to watch the area, sure, but having a direct eye on the objective from so incredibly far away is ridiculous. No game does this, and for good reason.

This game is a joke right now, and I can't imagine any major league gamer, who gets sponsored and paid based off their talent for skilled gameplay, ever considering adding it to his repertoire.

EDIT: I'm willing to bet anyone who does well in this game with these tactics has never had a KDR in any other FPS that's even remotely as good as their KDR in this game. The only people who defend this crap and actually don't want any of this fixed are just trying to cling onto the only thing they've ever experienced that let's them do well in a competitive online game. So here's a challenge: Anyone who really thinks all of this is fine the way it is - upload a screenshot of your stats from any other FPS including what weapons you usually use, and your KDR/stats in this game.

Did he just right us an essay?!?

To brighten up your day of course. That and to see if the game will ever improve again. I did play at one time chief. Long time closed beta tester. Lots of us are on break. You should try it. It works great.

I snipe from the mcc

bad company 1-2 + bf3 + 1943

every cod since 4-blops2

halo reach and 4

not counting obscure titles people might have possibly heard of

but never played.

you choose which game you want to compare your stats to mine and im almost positive theyre better than yours.
but for what its worth; I agree this game takes no skill.

Lets see I have 980hp on my dropsuit and my gun shoots 750 rpm at 38hp each, you come along with 210hp on your suit and your gun does 25hp per bullet at 750rpm.

Who should win this fignt 9/10 times?

Yup the proto guy with no skill. Promoting bad players to do good against militia foes. Also choosing not to engage other proto suit users.

This game promotes bad players. That is why so many terrible players defend this trash. It too obvious, you play eve and never played fps, you wear all proto and try hard just to make pos kdr. It helps pc dudes get kills when they usually could never.

That is why there is so many evetards here defending this game to the death.

Lets see I have 980hp on my dropsuit and my gun shoots 750 rpm at 38hp each, you come along with 210hp on your suit and your gun does 25hp per bullet at 750rpm.

Who should win this fignt 9/10 times?

Yup the proto guy with no skill. Promoting bad players to do good against militia foes. Also choosing not to engage other proto suit users.

This game promotes bad players. That is why so many terrible players defend this trash. It too obvious, you play eve and never played fps, you wear all proto and try hard just to make pos kdr. It helps pc dudes get kills when they usually could never.

That is why there is so many evetards here defending this game to the death.

This post was quite entertaining.

Obviously you weren't as skilled as you thought. There's counters to practically everything... AV I hear is really effective against Vehicles maybe you should try that.