DUST Search - tiny player base

All Channels

General Discussions

tiny player base

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Avallo Kantor DUST University Ivy League 98	Posted - 2013.06.24 16:35:00 - [31] - Quote Actually, I would argue with around 5k players, and a distinct lack of matchmaking we have a relatively large "effective" pool of players to be matched with / against. Other games, such as PS2 for this example, have a great number more players than DUST (Although it's hard to tell since they don't publish currently playing numbers) there is a site that tries to track it, and they say the pop is currently around 8 - 12k players. The problem with this though is that it's spread across a number of servers, and even the most populated one only has 3 - 4k players max. Then because those players are split across 3 teams (assuming 1/3 each, which isn't true at all) you're only looking at fighting 2 - 2.6k players at any given time. Other bigger games also have matchmaking in place so that at any given point your "Effective" pool of possible teammates / opponents is only a fraction of the total player base. On some respect the lack of matchmaking (while extremely frustrating to newer players) allows for the maximum possible "effective" pool of players that you can potentially play against.
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 362	Posted - 2013.06.24 16:37:00 - [32] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: I'm just so...tired. everyday I post about how to make this game better for everyone, and so do many other vets, but no one listens to us.Who wants my stuff when I leave for PS2? Ccp didn't listen in beta why should they listen now, as for your stuff no one will want that either because the game is so poor
KaTaLy5t-87 Shadow Company HQ 65	Posted - 2013.06.24 16:48:00 - [33] - Quote I agree that it must be disheartening to new players to pick up a game and get stomped by players with more SP than them but is that not the case in any game? If I picked up BF3 or CoD I would most likely be stomped by players who have maxed out all of the unlocks and have a better grasp of the mechanics of the game. There will always be great players in every game who level up really quickly and are ahead of the rest of the player base. Should we nerf those players because they might stomp everyone too much? I think that brand new players should get more than the 500k SP they currently get. This amount was reasonable for Chromosome but in Uprising 500k doesn't do much for you at all! I think that new players should be able to choose the type of matchmaking they would like. So they could choose to be matched with players of similar SP, thus limiting the amount of possible players or they could choose to play whoever the system puts them up against, which would include all of the vets. I think Dust is a very harsh game for new players because the learning curve is so steep and I think that those of us who have been around a while can help new players by trying to get them to squad up or asking them to join our public channel so we can chat with them etc etc. Dust does not reward lone-wolf players very much and we need to help new players understand that they need to get in on the team action if they want to enjoy the game some more.
Lowkiie KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 29	Posted - 2013.06.24 17:16:00 - [34] - Quote New players leave because most vets pub stomp them in proto gear. It's just not fun shooting a guy that is taking no damage whatsoever. All you bigwig high kdr guys who run pure proto are selfish. You think only of getting easy kills. I have a fairly high lifetime SP count and I run pub matches with standard and militia gear 97% of the time next is advanced gear. very rarely will I run with proto gear. Some of the blame goes to you but not all of it. CCP needs to pay attention to this. We need a mode with only militia/standard type dropsuits and equipment for EVERYBODY. Now, that being said. People are getting bored, B-O-R-E-D. I like this game, I defend it to people all the time and even I am getting bored of the same 'ol maps and game types. I know you agree the game needs a little extra spice. I think it was 42 pages of ideas on the forums where YOU ASKED US to come up with ideas for the game. people have been asking for Skirmish 1.0 forever and yet they do not have it. continued Below
Lowkiie KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 29	Posted - 2013.06.24 17:16:00 - [35] - Quote New players leave because most vets pub stomp them in proto gear. It's just not fun shooting a guy that is taking no damage whatsoever. All you bigwig high kdr guys who run pure proto are selfish. You think only of getting easy kills. I have a fairly high lifetime SP count and I run pub matches with standard and militia gear 97% of the time next is advanced gear. very rarely will I run with proto gear. Some of the blame goes to you but not all of it. CCP needs to pay attention to this. We need a mode with only militia/standard type dropsuits and equipment for EVERYBODY. Now, that being said. People are getting bored, B-O-R-E-D. I like this game, I defend it to people all the time and even I am getting bored of the same 'ol maps and game types. I know you agree the game needs a little extra spice. I think it was 42 pages of ideas on the forums where YOU ASKED US to come up with ideas for the game. people have been asking for Skirmish 1.0 forever and yet they do not have it. continued Below
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 603	Posted - 2013.06.24 17:28:00 - [36] - Quote I envy you newer guys. I can tell you're newer because you don't know the personalities on here like the obvious vets do. As an imperfect once said, or at least sort of what he said: "I love this game and I want to this game to succeed so we can stomp everyone." That's exactly how I feel. I bought Aurum tanks to support CCP in making this game better but it just gets worse. You rarely see any of the really old guys posting anymore and it makes me sad. Like, General Crowd and Bobthecakeman, two of my favorite ppl to play with and some of the best tankers don't even play anymore. Nobody with over 11 mil SP sees the point to grinding anymore. I show up to the daily PC battle but that's about it. I mean...I try. I have an salt in the instant battle academy just to teach new players how the game works and I help out every random who asks for it and any tanker who wants to know a good fit gets all of mine. I post intelligent things on the forums about everything from mass drivers to player renention, and about how AV is fine but we need tanks. I'm just getting tired of it all. I want this game to succeed but I feel like CCP doesn't listen to me. Like, hate on the imps, but if CCP listened to them we'd have a damn good game right now, but instead they listen to nooblet fanboys who insist the game is perfect. Anyway, troll on.
Ana Mosity Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.06.24 17:35:00 - [37] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: I envy you newer guys. I can tell you're newer because you don't know the personalities on here like the obvious vets do. As an imperfect once said, or at least sort of what he said: "I love this game and I want to this game to succeed so we can stomp everyone." That's exactly how I feel. I bought Aurum tanks to support CCP in making this game better but it just gets worse. You rarely see any of the really old guys posting anymore and it makes me sad. Like, General Crowd and Bobthecakeman, two of my favorite ppl to play with and some of the best tankers don't even play anymore. Nobody with over 11 mil SP sees the point to grinding anymore. I show up to the daily PC battle but that's about it. I mean...I try. I have an salt in the instant battle academy just to teach new players how the game works and I help out every random who asks for it and any tanker who wants to know a good fit gets all of mine. I post intelligent things on the forums about everything from mass drivers to player renention, and about how AV is fine but we need tanks. I'm just getting tired of it all. I want this game to succeed but I feel like CCP doesn't listen to me. Like, hate on the imps, but if CCP listened to them we'd have a damn good game right now, but instead they listen to nooblet fanboys who insist the game is perfect. Anyway, troll on. Point me to one serious post where someone actually ever said this game was perfect.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 758	Posted - 2013.06.24 17:37:00 - [38] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Like, hate on the imps, but if CCP listened to them we'd have a damn good game right now, but instead they listen to nooblet fanboys who insist the game is perfect. Anyway, troll on. I seriously doubt this is the case. I know the current plan is blame all the new people, or the people who are actually able to enjoy the game because they don't have 11M SP wracked up. The new people have a good perspective on what it is like to be a new player. The vets have a lot of perspective on how the game changes have had impact over time, how the progression works, and how to balance things as presumably they are actually good at the items the specialize in. CCP needs to carefully weigh the material in the forums and realize who knows what. We all need to have some damned patience as nothing is going to change exactly how any of us want it to no matter how long we wait. However, it might still get better over time as the fixes are coming in. As someone in the software industry (sadly, not games... I'll take a job in the gaming industry if the pay fits tho -- I could create systems, utilities, tools, APIs, etc) I have to say that large projects usually have one to two doom and gloom cycles. It is somewhere near the end and all kinds of problems show up. This is where some projects fall apart. However, working past the first gloom and doom often leads to a second shorter issue where the massive fixes cause new problem. This is the toughest part. Getting through those two humps generally provides a good core set of capabilities in whatever project it happens to be and then is easier to build upon. I can't say if that applies to the gaming industry... but it is common enough in other industries.
Somin Krais Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 91	Posted - 2013.06.24 17:40:00 - [39] - Quote The way 90% of the posts are about people complaining about the developer, the content, and other players, I really don't know why you would be surprised that new players aren't interesting in sticking around. If you are so upset about the current state of affairs, you can either just walk away and try again later or pop in a passive booster and walk away and come back later to refresh. Or.. hop in a murder taxi and try to guess where you will be the next time the lag stops and your client refreshes.
Lowkiie KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 29	Posted - 2013.06.24 17:47:00 - [40] - Quote Thor Odinson42 said "If there was ever a worry that the vets would get too big of a lead on these guys I think we are already at a point where it can't get much worse. They need to focus 100% of their concerns about players to the new players. And that is giving them a chance to get competitive". This is true. The SP cap is wayyy over due for the 'ol dynamite pile. If you aren't doing PVP anytime soon, you should do away with all the capping thats going on. Some snacks for your brains to nibble on.

Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 758	Posted - 2013.06.24 17:49:00 - [41] - Quote Lowkiie wrote: Thor Odinson42 said "If there was ever a worry that the vets would get too big of a lead on these guys I think we are already at a point where it can't get much worse. They need to focus 100% of their concerns about players to the new players. And that is giving them a chance to get competitive". This is true. The SP cap is wayyy over due for the 'ol dynamite pile. If you aren't doing PVP anytime soon, you should do away with all the capping thats going on. Some snacks for your brains to nibble on. Maybe... but there are other solutions to the competitiveness issue than futzing with the SP cap.
JerechD Diaboli DEATH FROM ABOVE CORP 0	Posted - 2013.06.24 17:58:00 - [42] - Quote KaTaLy5t-87 wrote: I agree that it must be disheartening to new players to pick up a game and get stomped by players with more SP than them but is that not the case in any game? If I picked up BF3 or CoD I would most likely be stomped by players who have maxed out all of the unlocks and have a better grasp of the mechanics of the game. One of the good things about BF3 is that the best assault rifles (M16 & M416) and most powerful shotgun are the first to unlock as you level up.
KaTaLy5t-87 Shadow Company HQ 65	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:03:00 - [43] - Quote I never said the game was perfect. I am interested to know what exactly do you use as a definition of new players? Just because you don't recognise my name doesn't mean I'm a new player, I've been here since beta and I have 11million SP and I still play every day. I play because I enjoy playing the game with my corp mates and friends. We laugh and joke about the issues and glitches and try to make light of the fact that half the squad might not make into the warbarge. I'm no fanboi of the game. I know the game has massive flaws and they annoy me all the time. I just don't see the point in whining about them on the Dust forums. People are saying why don't CCP listen to the vets anymore? I'll tell you why; it's too much effort to trawl through all of the crap on here and the countless QQ threads to find the few that offer decent observations. What do you hope to achieve by stating the blatantly obvious? We all know how many players are playing the game, we see it every time we log in. If you have had enough of the game then by all means go play PS2 and come back when you're sick of that game as well. People say "yeah all the vets are ragequitting". I say good! Maybe if enough people leave then CCP will have to sit up and take notice. As long as I can log into the game and have a fun match with my friends then I'm not worried. The game will be fixed eventually, if people can't stick with it until then that's up to them.
Osiris Ausare TeamPlayers EoN. 95	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:13:00 - [44] - Quote As one of those vets, I haven't played dust in at least a week, and I don't plan on logging on until CCP makes some changes, or at least stabilizes the game which at this point seems pretty far gone. It's sad because this was my favorite game, but the direction (or lack of) is driving me crazy. Until things are changed I refuse to spend any more money on this game, nor waste anymore of my time. I hate to say this because I used to be one of those "blind" fanbois but not anymore, CCP hopefully you can get your **** together, until then you will find me in WOT.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 111	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:19:00 - [45] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Let's face it. We vets are gonna be the only people still around in a year BC new players hate this game even more than we do. you mean because new softcore players hate this game.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 430	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:20:00 - [46] - Quote Imagine a dude without a mic that starts up Dust without a clue of what's going on. He picks a race and finds the skill tree. I'm sure a ton of SP will get allocated here without any idea about fittings. As is stands the mistakes made here are permanent on this character. Now that he's wasted a half a million SP he finds the fitting screen and hopefully doesn't screw up his starter fittings to the point of not being able to participate in a battle. Let's pretend he doesn't and joins a battle. He joins a bunch of other clueless dudes and does well because he's a COD vet. After 25 matches he's thrown to the wolves. He joins a match on a day where the Imps have decided to check back in. There also a squad of Eon dudes that made it on that side. This guy doesn't have a clue what he's in for. He's got a KDR of 8.0 from the academy. 5 minutes later he's 0-12 and feels like he just got ran over by a truck. I hear it over and over again that this isn't COD or whatever. But there is such a huge gap in the progression systems of both games that it's not comparable. You can be maxed out in COD in what a month? It will take you 8 or 9 months to max out a specialized character in Dust with boosters. This guy will get better to the point he might be able to put up a 3-12 match going against the dudes above. But more than likely he'll do what the rest of them do and sit in the MCC trying to snipe after 2 minutes of playing. How long can that be fun? The SP gap issue is a big one, a better system could help them hold on to new players.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 430	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:26:00 - [47] - Quote My post above only deals with new player retention. I think the game is potentially doomed for this scenario. Combine it will the players who love(d) the game and cracked out on it for almost a year now leaving and you've got trouble. I'll be playing for a while, I'm not at the breaking point yet. But it doesn't change my ability to see the writing on the wall. CCP sees it too or they wouldn't be jumping through their ass to get all these Dev blogs out. Personally I don't give a damn about the Dev blogs anymore either. Show me something that affects my gameplay now.
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 306	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:34:00 - [48] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: I'm just so...tired. everyday I post about how to make this game better for everyone, and so do many other vets, but no one listens to us.Who wants my stuff when I leave for PS2? Bunny love? Nah basically I'm a relatively new player, I just got in on the open beta at the end of January because of a reddit post. I stayed because I'm invested and I don't have BF3 (been told it's a solid shooter but lacking dusts vision/depth) or TLoU. I think new players are not sticking around long enough to get invested. It's daunting to try and understand the whole fitting/sp/isk system. I can only immagine a new players frustrations not being able to kill anyone or anything once out of the academy (which is 2 soon IMO). Even just the fact that you must enable voice to be on, and turn push to talk off, know/find a channel with people voices on it, and select it and try to get a word in edgewise? It's tough. There needs to be a channel for newbro's. one that CCP calls like "Click Here for Help!" and it's just a mess of newbro's getting help. Maybe the vets should populate it when they can. Each time you get a squad up (or solo) check the channel and make sure someone is there to help people out, if they are then no worries you can go back to squad/team/corp chat.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 608	Posted - 2013.06.24 19:11:00 - [49] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: I'm just so...tired. everyday I post about how to make this game better for everyone, and so do many other vets, but no one listens to us.Who wants my stuff when I leave for PS2? Bunny love? Nah basically I'm a relatively new player, I just got in on the open beta at the end of January because of a reddit post. I stayed because I'm invested and I don't have BF3 (been told it's a solid shooter but lacking dusts vision/depth) or TLoU. I think new players are not sticking around long enough to get invested. It's daunting to try and understand the whole fitting/sp/isk system. I can only immagine a new players frustrations not being able to kill anyone or anything once out of the academy (which is 2 soon IMO). Even just the fact that you must enable voice to be on, and turn push to talk off, know/find a channel with people voices on it, and select it and try to get a word in edgewise? It's tough. There needs to be a channel for newbro's. one that CCP calls like "Click Here for Help!" and it's just a mess of newbro's getting help. Maybe the vets should populate it when they can. Each time you get a squad up (or solo) check the channel and make sure someone is there to help people out, if they are then no worries you can go back to squad/team/corp chat. This is in eve. Confused why not in dust.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1018	Posted - 2013.06.24 19:15:00 - [50] - Quote Eve university does such a good job. Not to get down on dust uni, I am sure they do good things, I just dont think its enough. Hopefully CCP is aware and will take steps.

KERINMalik Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.06.24 23:39:00 - [51] - Quote Yeah it seems jin robot, mobius wvyern, amazingflyingpig and crash monster are the most influential posters here. So they think. Funny if ccp actually listens to those clowns. The player base is in peril simply because ccp thinks the game is fine.
GinnyHub Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.06.25 01:14:00 - [52] - Quote The tutorials are really nonexistant. Protostomping is killing the pub games. Vets feel the need for entitlement. Forums junk. The new player base is clinging on like a sticky terd, ready to stick to anything else that it happens to touch. Alot of new games coming along to stick to. Dust is like a sticky terd
Denny655 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.06.25 05:33:00 - [53] - Quote Osiris Ausare wrote: As one of those vets, I haven't played dust in at least a week, and I don't plan on logging on until CCP makes some changes, or at least stabilizes the game which at this point seems pretty far gone. It's sad because this was my favorite game, but the direction (or lack of) is driving me crazy. Until things are changed I refuse to spend any more money on this game, nor waste anymore of my time. I hate to say this because I used to be one of those "blind" fanbois but not anymore, CCP hopefully you can get your **** together, until then you will find me in WOT. Seems to be the consensus lately, as I havent hit my cap for the first time since open beta. 1.2 doesnt look much better. Guess we will see in the patch notes tomorrow.
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 25	Posted - 2013.06.25 06:26:00 - [54] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: I'm just so...tired. everyday I post about how to make this game better for everyone, and so do many other vets, but no one listens to us.Who wants my stuff when I leave for PS2? I'll take it but don't expect to get it back when you return to the game.
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 25	Posted - 2013.06.25 06:27:00 - [55] - Quote GinnyHub wrote: Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year 1080p Ultra settings at Night Intense Open Field Battle 100 Man Infantry Objective Push Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Planetside 2 Machinima Factions Explained Why you should Play Planetside 2 From Vets Where is the part about lasting impacts of player's actions
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 570	Posted - 2013.06.25 06:28:00 - [56] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: I'm just so...tired. everyday I post about how to make this game better for everyone, and so do many other vets, but no one listens to us.Who wants my stuff when I leave for PS2? Its funny how you say you are trying to make the game "better for everyone". While most(not all)of your posts are about making super tanks. You dont seem overly concerned about any play style but yours. You seem biased. +1 , I been telling him this for awhile. Tanks been OP for a long time.
Lowkiie KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 29	Posted - 2013.06.26 03:54:00 - [57] - Quote Crash Monster- "copying"Just an off the cuff dumb idea and not a suggestion, so I hope I won't get roasted, but having some type of planet to planet transportation system, with costs based on the expected skill level, could allow people to self-segregate. The beginner would not have the coin to get there (to high level planets) and would get owned if they did. Also, due to the risk/reward concept the ISK and drops in those areas would attract higher level folks who wouldn't want to waste time stomping newbs." This is like THE best idea for matchmaking.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 657	Posted - 2013.06.26 05:02:00 - [58] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: I'm just so...tired. everyday I post about how to make this game better for everyone, and so do many other vets, but no one listens to us.Who wants my stuff when I leave for PS2? Its funny how you say you are trying to make the game "better for everyone". While most(not all)of your posts are about making super tanks. You dont seem overly concerned about any play style but yours. You seem biased. +1 , I been telling him this for awhile. Tanks been OP for a long time. TANKS ARE NOT OP OMG. however, i'm pretty sure you're trolling.
Rigor Mordis Imperial Populicide Legion Alpha Wolf Pack 50	Posted - 2013.06.26 06:06:00 - [59] - Quote nice QQ. Just giving it a bump. --It's really "odd" of the fanboys to complain about your QQ thread. Yet, they are so willing and ready to say something with the hopes of getting >bent. How "odd" ---Just wait for CCP to acknowledge the GOOD feedback. (Not always necessarily constructive) Whether it be 1 year, or 5 years, said fanboys will be "qq" <<<"odd" ----Tiny player base is exactly right. That's exactly what the fanboys want. That's why they are always hollering at people to GTFO. ---There was a lot of people being constructive in the beta phase. (beta phase will never end for dust) But, if we all remember correctly, anything that went against a fanboys unfair advantage, was shouted down and greeted with GTFO, and a bunch "you need to do this and that"...And a bunch of other New Eden BS that is far from fulfilled as far as what was advertised. --No more complex than it really is, they have allowed corps to be too big and the pc region is too small. Thus, when AND IF pc ever expands, the few corps already involved will be the only ones TRULY competing for any territory. Having the 'jump' on someone seems to be entire plot of New Eden. -As we can all see....the majority of the noobs want to get in the pc corps...just like the majority of the noobs flocked to the corps with the most people during the beta. This will never change so 1500 is too many members in my opinion. 500 members triples participation in limited spaces right? Or, triple the space.....but tripling the space will matter nil because the corps already involved are raking in ISK hand over fist....so, naturally, they will always have the advantage. Academy probably needs to be extended by twice the WP. I seriously doubt it will help. Noobs just don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. Heck, most of the vets don't either. Only the fanboys can sit around here and defend what is obviously flawed. And not just lack of participation in PC, but overall lack of depth period. So neat, there are a buttload of weapons and suits and modules and bells and whistles. That's every other TIME-HOG RPG in the world. Where's the WAR at? Where are the strategic chokepoints on the starmap? Why on earth are they not ALL being fought for and around right now? Oh yeah, because the teeny little part that is up for grabs, Doesn't, EVEN, WORK right! Just keep stacking deck in the name of "deserve" and "reward" and see the player base dwindle. Keep relying on come-backers. Keep letting the favored have their little way. Keep letting fanboydom disillusion you from truth. Fact is, if this game were a disc game, it would be a fail of EPIC proportions. The only reasons that several people have stuck with it are, time spent, money spent, loyalty to their group, and a small, very small glimmer of hope that it will deliver on what was advertised. and SOON!
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 473	Posted - 2013.06.26 09:46:00 - [60] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I think I've played for almost a year. I'm sticking with it. I enjoy Dust for what it is and what it will be. On a good day, you can have an good team and a even better squad, reacting tactically to the ever changing battlefield. That's one of the reasons why I love Dust and talk about it often. I've seen tides shift dramatically in a matter of seconds with intensity levels beyond most console FPS games. There's just a satisfaction and a certain immersion to it that keeps me coming back. +1 People may poke fun at this game but it is very fun when things are going well. As DUST matures we will have even more fun with the amount of options we will have. I have taken the last couple of weeks off from DUST and the forums, it does make it better but the low player count makes it difficult to find a competent squad who will work as a team. I am hopeful that the updates and expansions will draw in new blood, retain older players and give vets more of a reason to stick with it. We all have to remember that this game will never have an end game, finished state or even a shelf life. Monthly updates and core mechanics is a step in the right direction but we also need new gear and more skills also. The player base will ebb and flow but it will probably continue to grow because DUST will offer something to everyone if given enough time. DUST is a slow burn and should be treated as such.



Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online/DUST514, the EVE/DUST514 logo, EVE/DUST514 and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to OMG Labs to use EVE Online/DUST514 and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, OMG Labs. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.