The fact that, in general, the shield recharge delays are lower on the logi suits compared to assault suits is mind boggling. The fact is, for a minor loss in movement speed (unless you're minmatar), and no sidearm, you get better shield recharge delays, much higher potential tank, more equip slots, more cpu/pg, and more useful racial classi bonus's. Especially with aiming being so ****** up atm, and the nerf uprising gave to movement speed, there's few good reasons to be assault.

I see three separate issues with logi vs. assault:

1. Logi is too good at killing which is assault's role.
2. The general logi / assault bonuses favor certain races too much. Assault bonus isn't good for armor tanks, logi isn't good for shield tanks (Unless they dual tank like most Caldari.)
3. Logi's intended role has lost a lot of usefulness. Most builds regenerate armor fairly efficiently on their own now. The days of beta where you were constantly running around repping people's armor damage that they couldn't regenerate themselves are gone. I run reps in a lot of my builds and barely use them because they are rarely needed.

I have 1 solution that solves ALL THREE problems quickly and simply:

Assault bonus: Light weapons do 4% more damage per level
Logistics bonus: Armor repairers heal shields for 20% of their armor repair amount per level


Problem 1 Solved: Logi's trade their armor repair bonus for one that is useless if you are playing a logi like an assault. Assault on the other hand become much more deadly at their intended role.

Problem 2 Solved: All good assault fits use a light weapon. Snipers, AV, the AR toting masses, shotguns, you name it. All logi will find it useful to rep shields and armor at the same time.

Problem 3 Solved: Logi's can now effectively be active healers. When they run into a firefight they can recharge people's shields or run behind heavies allowing them to shrug off large amounts of damage. They can even run behind HAVs no matter which type of damage they tank. A logi can now effectively be a full time healer like a Team Fortress 2 medic minus the ub+½r.

As an assault, I can't agree to the bonus you would give me because I would drop people that much quicker than I already do. I feel it would be unfair to the other players at the barrel end of my rifle.

Also please define these roles that CCP intended to chain us down with? And if you say that assault's role is to kill or "slayer", I will hurl kittens in your direction. And you wouldn't want me to do that right? Think of the poor kittens.

The main reason to go assault is swarm launchers and other weapons that leave you open without a sidearm. A logi with a SL is helpless vs. infantry. So are snipers, plasma cannons(lol), and laser rifles to a lesser degree.

However the 70%+ of the games population that use ARs and scram rifles (What I refer to as the AR toting masses) have no good reason to go assault over logi.

If the primary reason for using an assault suit is the side arm, why not use the basic suit instead? The basic suit is less SP intensive than the other 2 medium frame variants. Because I see many assault fits, I have to disagree that there is no good reason to pick the assault variant over the logistic variant. Personally for me, it was the Amarr assault's heat reduction bonus that made me choose it over the logistic suit.


+1 for sparing the kittens

A 20% damage bonus is both ridiculously overpowered and an indirect nerf to every suit in the game as it would drastically reduce survival times for everyone.

Heat reduction is a good bonus but I kind of hate Amarr suits in general because they come with less combine high/low slots than any other race.

I run Caldari assault for three reasons:

1. I have a BPO
2. They cost less ISK
3. Some bonus > no bonus

Primarily it's because I'm far more stingy with ISK than SP.

So, penny-wise and pound-foolish.

If you run the numbers, logis are better thanks to their slot layout.
No exceptions.
None.
More equipment is just icing on the cake.

I see three separate issues with logi vs. assault:

1. Logi is too good at killing which is assault's role.
2. The general logi / assault bonuses favor certain races too much. Assault bonus isn't good for armor tanks, logi isn't good for shield tanks (Unless they dual tank like most Caldari.)
3. Logi's intended role has lost a lot of usefulness. Most builds regenerate armor fairly efficiently on their own now. The days of beta where you were constantly running around repping people's armor damage that they couldn't regenerate themselves are gone. I run reps in a lot of my builds and barely use them because they are rarely needed.

I have 1 solution that solves ALL THREE problems quickly and simply:

Assault bonus: Light weapons do 4% more damage per level
Logistics bonus: Armor repairers heal shields for 20% of their armor repair amount per level


Problem 1 Solved: Logi's trade their armor repair bonus for one that is useless if you are playing a logi like an assault. Assault on the other hand become much more deadly at their intended role.

Problem 2 Solved: All good assault fits use a light weapon. Snipers, AV, the AR toting masses, shotguns, you name it. All logi will find it useful to rep shields and armor at the same time.

Problem 3 Solved: Logi's can now effectively be active healers. When they run into a firefight they can recharge people's shields or run behind heavies allowing them to shrug off large amounts of damage. They can even run behind HAVs no matter which type of damage they tank. A logi can now effectively be a full time healer like a Team Fortress 2 medic minus the ub+½r.

Not quite. I use infantry builds to generate ISK for vehicle builds. So I'm using my SP to maximize the effectiveness of infantry builds that range from 0-10,000 ISK. Anything higher and I'm cutting into my profits too heavily if I lose suits.

I'm not planning to run protos until fighters and mechs are released.

The main reason to go assault is swarm launchers and other weapons that leave you open without a sidearm. A logi with a SL is helpless vs. infantry. So are snipers, plasma cannons(lol), and laser rifles to a lesser degree.

However the 70%+ of the games population that use ARs and scram rifles (What I refer to as the AR toting masses) have no good reason to go assault over logi.

Ah ok, that makes more sense.

The sidearm distinction would matter more if CCP would un**** LR's, as they're one of the best counters to AR's, yet they pretty much require a good sidearm.

While I think a 10% damage bonus would be reasonable, I'd much prefer that CCP abandon having matching bonuses, and instead adopt more unique bonuses for both suit bonuses. It would add more flavor and differences between the suits. And make the current ones less craptastic, which is a big part of the issue.

The only two bonuses I initially found interesting and desirable were the Cal Logi's (of course), and the Amarr Assault's. The rest were just meh. I later recognized the value of the Gallente Logi's.

If you run the numbers, logis are better thanks to their slot layout.
No exceptions.
None.
More equipment is just icing on the cake.

I see three separate issues with logi vs. assault:

1. Logi is too good at killing which is assault's role.
2. The general logi / assault bonuses favor certain races too much. Assault bonus isn't good for armor tanks, logi isn't good for shield tanks (Unless they dual tank like most Caldari.)
3. Logi's intended role has lost a lot of usefulness. Most builds regenerate armor fairly efficiently on their own now. The days of beta where you were constantly running around repping people's armor damage that they couldn't regenerate themselves are gone. I run reps in a lot of my builds and barely use them because they are rarely needed.

I have 1 solution that solves ALL THREE problems quickly and simply:

Assault bonus: Light weapons do 4% more damage per level
Logistics bonus: Armor repairers heal shields for 20% of their armor repair amount per level


Problem 1 Solved: Logi's trade their armor repair bonus for one that is useless if you are playing a logi like an assault. Assault on the other hand become much more deadly at their intended role.

Problem 2 Solved: All good assault fits use a light weapon. Snipers, AV, the AR toting masses, shotguns, you name it. All logi will find it useful to rep shields and armor at the same time.

Problem 3 Solved: Logi's can now effectively be active healers. When they run into a firefight they can recharge people's shields or run behind heavies allowing them to shrug off large amounts of damage. They can even run behind HAVs no matter which type of damage they tank. A logi can now effectively be a full time healer like a Team Fortress 2 medic minus the ub+½r.

If you run the numbers, logis are better thanks to their slot layout.
No exceptions.
None.
More equipment is just icing on the cake.

Assaults:

1%/2% damage increase per level (stacking penalties apply with damage modifiers)
Reduce EHP by 90 (Puts Assault base EHP at 15 EHP lower than a vanilla Logistic suit)
Give all assault suits 1 extra High slot.

Logistics:

5% CPU/PG reduction per level
Increase EHP by 60 (Puts Logistics at the vanilla Assault suit base EHP)
Remove the Caldari logistic bonus and 1 high slot to give 1 equipment slot.
Keep Logistics slot configuration as is.

I see three separate issues with logi vs. assault:

1. Logi is too good at killing which is assault's role.
2. The general logi / assault bonuses favor certain races too much. Assault bonus isn't good for armor tanks, logi isn't good for shield tanks (Unless they dual tank like most Caldari.)
3. Logi's intended role has lost a lot of usefulness. Most builds regenerate armor fairly efficiently on their own now. The days of beta where you were constantly running around repping people's armor damage that they couldn't regenerate themselves are gone. I run reps in a lot of my builds and barely use them because they are rarely needed.

I have 1 solution that solves ALL THREE problems quickly and simply:

Assault bonus: Light weapons do 4% more damage per level
Logistics bonus: Armor repairers heal shields for 20% of their armor repair amount per level


Problem 1 Solved: Logi's trade their armor repair bonus for one that is useless if you are playing a logi like an assault. Assault on the other hand become much more deadly at their intended role.

Problem 2 Solved: All good assault fits use a light weapon. Snipers, AV, the AR toting masses, shotguns, you name it. All logi will find it useful to rep shields and armor at the same time.

Problem 3 Solved: Logi's can now effectively be active healers. When they run into a firefight they can recharge people's shields or run behind heavies allowing them to shrug off large amounts of damage. They can even run behind HAVs no matter which type of damage they tank. A logi can now effectively be a full time healer like a Team Fortress 2 medic minus the ub+½r.

I see three separate issues with logi vs. assault:

1. Logi is too good at killing which is assault's role.
2. The general logi / assault bonuses favor certain races too much. Assault bonus isn't good for armor tanks, logi isn't good for shield tanks (Unless they dual tank like most Caldari.)
3. Logi's intended role has lost a lot of usefulness. Most builds regenerate armor fairly efficiently on their own now. The days of beta where you were constantly running around repping people's armor damage that they couldn't regenerate themselves are gone. I run reps in a lot of my builds and barely use them because they are rarely needed.

I have 1 solution that solves ALL THREE problems quickly and simply:

Assault bonus: Light weapons do 4% more damage per level
Logistics bonus: Armor repairers heal shields for 20% of their armor repair amount per level


Problem 1 Solved: Logi's trade their armor repair bonus for one that is useless if you are playing a logi like an assault. Assault on the other hand become much more deadly at their intended role.

Problem 2 Solved: All good assault fits use a light weapon. Snipers, AV, the AR toting masses, shotguns, you name it. All logi will find it useful to rep shields and armor at the same time.

Problem 3 Solved: Logi's can now effectively be active healers. When they run into a firefight they can recharge people's shields or run behind heavies allowing them to shrug off large amounts of damage. They can even run behind HAVs no matter which type of damage they tank. A logi can now effectively be a full time healer like a Team Fortress 2 medic minus the ub+½r.

Wait what?!? You want to decrease Assault toughness and increase Logi toughness to balance them? Your suggested changes would make Logis even more ridiculous compared to Assaults.