DUST Search - CCP updates on aiming problem?

CCP Mintchip wrote:

Canari Elphus wrote:

Urg, I know MintChip is new so there is a little slack available. Please understand that people are calling not for more talk but for substantive timeline updates.

We dont need an exact date and time that something will be implemented but a frame of reference would go a long way.

Examples:
Fix will release with 1.2
Fix will not release with 1.2 but should be available by end of July.
Fix will be in the next update after 1.2 which should be around a month later.

Working on it is basically the same as SOONGäó

This isn't what the original question of the topic asked, but I understand what you want. However, I can't give you anything specific in terms of dates because we want to make sure it's an actual fix which takes time. If I tell you something specific, and it doesn't happen - then it's just a lie. I don't want to lie.

Aiming fixes aren't coming in 1.2, but we're looking to get them out soon after (as in 1.3 or later). There will be gun balancing in 1.2 and we look forward to your feedback on that.

CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip
Dust 514 Community Rep

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Orion Vahid DUST University Ivy League 20	Posted - 2013.06.18 21:59:00 - [121] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Guys, when things get done they get shipped, you wouldn't want to rush things that's what screwed up mouse aiming severely last time. Exactly my thoughts. Sadly most people have no clue that its CHALLENGING to make a game
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission 177	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:23:00 - [122] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Mintchip wrote: Aiming fixes aren't coming in 1.2, but we're looking to get them out soon after (as in 1.3 or later). There will be gun balancing in 1.2 and we look forward to your feedback on that. CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep I'm out. ^ Most important mechanic of a First Person "Shooter" and we gotta deal with this broken **** for another month give or take.... ? Nah, Another 2 months minimum
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 330	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:29:00 - [123] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: My opinion is that they have movement speed way out of balance compared to how well anyone can aim with DS3 controller. If you look at all other console FPS you will see that movement is probably slower and has some inertia (no sharp changes in direction- ther is a bit of acceleration and deceleration to movement) compared to Dust. So to fix aiming in Dust, they would have to fix how all movement works - and this ladies and gentlement is probably a titanic task. Just my opinion here. Nah, go play Halo, its much faster and aims well. I suspect the reason they are having so much trouble is 3 fold: 1: Server side hit detection instead of client side. Most FPS games have client side hit detection and then some rules to solve a dispute between clients. DUST doesnt do this. Im not sure of ANY FPS which does client side, maybe planetside 2? This is way harder and is why we see hit detection issues which make the aim issue feel worse. 2. Balancing KB/M and DS3 Some KB/M users will claim this isnt an issue, and that KB/M offers no advantage. This is wrong. Any good FPS player will tell you KB/M is dominant over joysticks. DUST has to try and balance both which is a very difficult task. As difficult as it is to name an FPS that has server side hit detection its almost harder to name one that has integrated kb/m and joystick successfully. Only one has tried, Shadowrun, as far as I know. I dont think it went well. 3. Balancing suits DUST offers unique gameplay in the fact that turning radius and aim speed is a factor when it comes to suit balance. Pistols turn way faster than HMG, I think heavier suits turn slower than light. This makes it much harder for them to find a good sweet spot for everyone and keep things balanced. It also limits the ability for players to fully customize and find their own perfect controlls, because the suits need to reflect their balance. Really, its easy to give the devs grief about the aim and make comments implying any other FPS game has already done itso it should be easy. But the reality is, NO game has tried to do aiming like DUST. Their job is a lot harder than Halo or COD of BF3
Mortedeamor Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 82	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:33:00 - [124] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q wrote: Mintchip can you please advise the upper management that it is vital for Dust to have a smooth and functional aiming experience? (As in the very first thing people expect when they play a first person shooter in... 2013) They don't need Mintchip to tell them. Aiming is a priority to fix, it's just more complicated than could be done in the current patch cycle. "Current patch cycle" so no aiming fix coming in 1.2.. ? that because the aiming system working is last on a very long list of things that needs to be done with dust....ide like to add that on top of that list is adding more aur items ...as if anyone really wants to spend money on dust in the state its in....if your pouring money into a game as unbalanced as this..you should just give it to me :D
Acezero 44 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 31	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:49:00 - [125] - Quote The Aim, its, a spooky beast,. If I have a clean fast connection the Aim is fine, its sharp and fast.. Im not convinced its the Aimming engine, I think its some sort of connection Issue,. I think ccp has no answer yet, if they test on lan the aim is prolly perfect.
JonnyAugust Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 261	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:52:00 - [126] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: Hey you! Yep! Aiming is being worked on as we speak, the game developers are slaving tirelessly so that you can accurately blow your opponent's clone away! CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep When you say tirelessly it makes me think of the 4 day weekend they just had. Tiresleslly to CCP shanghai is a 24 hour work wee lol. You're full of it
Rusty Shaklefurd Couch Legion 95	Posted - 2013.06.18 23:11:00 - [127] - Quote CCP can you just implement an auto-aim feature for these noobs that cant aim? problem solved.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 623	Posted - 2013.06.18 23:27:00 - [128] - Quote Acezero 44 wrote: The Aim, its, a spooky beast,. If I have a clean fast connection the Aim is fine, its sharp and fast.. Im not convinced its the Aimming engine, I think its some sort of connection Issue,. I think ccp has no answer yet, if they test on lan the aim is prolly perfect. No. It's an engine thing too. There are a ton of problems with it, acceleration values, virtual analog concept which does not work at all in practice for KB/M, severe input delay which makes it nearly impossible to track targets, etc. This is all before you even start getting to issues like hit detection and unsteady frame rate due to memory leaks and terrible optimization. Really, CCP said they would give us a ship called Dust 514. Only instead of a ship, we got a plank. And that plank was split in half. And both halves have holes in it. And those holes have termites. Just about every shred of hope for Dust becoming what it is supposed to be is held back by problems, compounded by more problems, compounded by more problems. There is not a single functional aspect of this game right now. I have been following CCP a long time and while they are slow, I hold them in great favor for what they have done over the years with Eve. But I don't believe that even they are capable of fixing this game. It's simply too broken.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 35	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:10:00 - [129] - Quote MOAR TECHNICAL PAPERS!!!! I will read reams and reams of data that is way over my head to better under stand the process and the issues. I know this kinda thing can take a lot to put together so I'm not asking it be written from scratch or even at all, but if it can be done with out too much trouble and you know with out leaking CCPs secret sauce I would love in death reports/discussions on all that.
Jason Punk DUST University Ivy League 131	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:18:00 - [130] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: It's not about it being a priority, but rather that there are different teams working on different issues and some issues are a quicker fix than others. It can be easy to mix that up! Something like weapon balancing may have more progress that could go live, than say overhauling an entire feature. Hope that clears it up :) CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep Just fine and totally understand, keep up the good work fellas ^^

hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 35	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:19:00 - [131] - Quote I'm curious how much lag, system chug, hit detection, and controller input, all play into that, I know that the neg accel on KB/M is a significant issue and that the DS3 has a very clunky feel to it compared to other games, but its hard to say how much of the rest of the aiming isssues are the other things. I'm curious to see what CCP finds. Wouldn't be supprised if all add just a small amount to the problem and compound in a significant way.
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F 712	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:25:00 - [132] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: Hey you! Yep! Aiming is being worked on as we speak, the game developers are slaving tirelessly so that you can accurately blow your opponent's clone away! CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep plz don't, i like being the sniper no one can kill (i use a mouse,shhhh)
Jason Punk DUST University Ivy League 131	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:38:00 - [133] - Quote BMSTUBBYxx wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Guys, when things get done they get shipped, you wouldn't want to rush things that's what screwed up mouse aiming severely last time. Yeah but this game got released, right? Not in Beta, released. Game got shipped, or released. So why are we still waiting for core mechanics. Oh, maybe someone forgot to pack them on the boat so they did not get shipped with the game. Pffff, please pathetic White Knight attempt. 1/10 So Stubbs, perhaps you think this is a $60 retail, quartly game...in such case, I will attempt to breach you're intellect and do my best to communicate: Not FPS, MMOFPS with exponential growth and continuous returns for time investment. Not a licensed game copy; Dust 514 never "shipped", release sales are irrelevant as game is free Game will never be, nor was ever intended to be finished. If you don't like this, by all means go and play something that is complete and gives closure. There are plenty of great games now and to come that will entertain these desires, perhaps this is just a little too challenging a world for you...can't aim, can't kill heavies, protos....we don't even have a market or the ability to walk in and steal all your hard-earned gear from you yet......yeah, maybe this is just too much for ya ...and no need to bring Lewis Carroll into this, eh?
Jason Punk DUST University Ivy League 131	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:41:00 - [134] - Quote Rusty Shaklefurd wrote: CCP can you just implement an auto-aim feature for these noobs that cant aim? problem solved. I actually love this game for the aiming...it reminds me of CSS and HL2 days I mean, it could certainly use some work...but I hope we make it through improvements without an aim-assist....It's so wonderful not to have it.
2100 Angels The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 136	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:51:00 - [135] - Quote 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q wrote: Come on CCP please fix the basic first person shooter mechanics in a first person shooter game Update: No aiming fixes in 1.2, says CCP Mintchip First person shooter. One year plus in development, commercial release a month ago. Can't aim. CCP "But but but... it is very very complicated!!!!" :( SRSLY I thought you quit? Can you go back to wherever you came from please? I enjoyed these forums a lot more without reading your incessant, self entitled dribble every other post
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q Intara Direct Action Caldari State 168	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:55:00 - [136] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: I thought you quit? Can you go back to wherever you came from please? I enjoyed these forums a lot more without reading your incessant, self entitled dribble every other post You, troll, get out of my thread.
JonnyAugust Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 261	Posted - 2013.06.19 01:19:00 - [137] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q wrote: Come on CCP please fix the basic first person shooter mechanics in a first person shooter game Update: No aiming fixes in 1.2, says CCP Mintchip First person shooter. One year plus in development, commercial release a month ago. Can't aim. CCP "But but but... it is very very complicated!!!!" :( SRSLY I thought you quit? Can you go back to wherever you came from please? I enjoyed these forums a lot more without reading your incessant, self entitled dribble every other post hey this 2100 is an obvious troll, why doesn't he get his post deleted?
2100 Angels The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 136	Posted - 2013.06.19 01:22:00 - [138] - Quote 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: I thought you quit? Can you go back to wherever you came from please? I enjoyed these forums a lot more without reading your incessant, self entitled dribble every other post You, troll, get out of my thread. pot, kettle, black? For the record, this was entirely serious. go away.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1387	Posted - 2013.06.19 01:23:00 - [139] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Guys, when things get done they get shipped, you wouldn't want to rush things that's what screwed up mouse aiming severely last time. Um.... straight up releasing a balance change, or new content when they are done without asking for player feedback IS RUSHING CONTENT DEVELOPMENT. STOP POSTING. You are defending the only mmo that doesn't want feedback before balance changes are done. The only compaby that will release whole new features that are core to the game without a day of beta testing. All in the name of ... "oh they don't want to rush it" Impressively lame. I honestly don't understand how you could think transparency and player feedback would hurt the game.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission 1442	Posted - 2013.06.19 01:44:00 - [140] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Urg, I know MintChip is new so there is a little slack available. Please understand that people are calling not for more talk but for substantive timeline updates. We dont need an exact date and time that something will be implemented but a frame of reference would go a long way. Examples: Fix will release with 1.2 Fix will not release with 1.2 but should be available by end of July. Fix will be in the next update after 1.2 which should be around a month later. Working on it is basically the same as SOONGäó This isn't what the original question of the topic asked, but I understand what you want. However, I can't give you anything specific in terms of dates because we want to make sure it's an actual fix which takes time. If I tell you something specific, and it doesn't happen - then it's just a lie. I don't want to lie. Aiming fixes aren't coming in 1.2, but we're looking to get them out soon after (as in 1.3 or later). There will be gun balancing in 1.2 and we look forward to your feedback on that. CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep I dont understand....why does it take long? Just revert to the old chromosome aim system. It wasn't broke until Uprising broke it.

XxArrowxX Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 0	Posted - 2013.06.19 01:45:00 - [141] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Fix what? There is nothing wrong with aiming. What are you talking about?? Ugh not you again everybody is dogging on this dude lol chill all long time ago just one person >.> ~now its my turn to get picked on
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 135	Posted - 2013.06.19 02:11:00 - [142] - Quote i still don't understand what the hell people are talking about aiming turn aim assist off and the game will work fine ok =) the rest is just skill get it.
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 217	Posted - 2013.06.19 02:55:00 - [143] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: Aiming fixes aren't coming in 1.2, but we're looking to get them out soon after (as in 1.3 or later). There will be gun balancing in 1.2 and we look forward to your feedback on that. I'd wait for CCP Wolfman to come in and confirm this.
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 270	Posted - 2013.06.19 03:19:00 - [144] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: i still don't understand what the hell people are talking about aiming turn aim assist off and the game will work fine ok =) the rest is just skill get it. So your saying I need skill?
Icy TIG3R Red Star. EoN. 374	Posted - 2013.06.19 03:23:00 - [145] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: i still don't understand what the hell people are talking about aiming turn aim assist off and the game will work fine ok =) the rest is just skill get it. So your saying I need skill? Yeah, your terrible at dodging LAV's. Also, welcome to EoN. What happened in Imps?
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1829	Posted - 2013.06.19 03:28:00 - [146] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Did they even make a forum post about the hmg changes ? Was there a main feedback thread? Just the patch notes which came out a day or two before Uprising Quote: * Reduced damage and max range of the HMG No numbers or anything. Many heavies "QQ"ed the instant they/we saw it, Cat Merc told us all to shut up and wait to see the changes in action... yeah... CCP has not learned it's lesson
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1829	Posted - 2013.06.19 03:29:00 - [147] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: i still don't understand what the hell people are talking about aiming turn aim assist off and the game will work fine ok =) the rest is just skill get it. So your saying I need skill? So no more PA announcements?
Novawolf McDustingham The514th The Official Mintchip Fanclub 294	Posted - 2013.06.19 03:40:00 - [148] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: CCP Mintchip wrote: Aiming fixes aren't coming in 1.2, but we're looking to get them out soon after (as in 1.3 or later). There will be gun balancing in 1.2 and we look forward to your feedback on that. I'd wait for CCP Wolfman to come in and confirm this. Don't question the Mintchip. Her word is gold. Wooo-hooo, MINTCHIP!
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2097	Posted - 2013.06.19 03:51:00 - [149] - Quote 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q wrote: Come on CCP please fix the basic first person shooter mechanics in a first person shooter game Update: No aiming fixes in 1.2, says CCP Mintchip First person shooter. One year plus in development, commercial release a month ago. Can't aim. CCP "But but but... it is very very complicated!!!!" :( SRSLY If they make it easier to aim I will be happy
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2097	Posted - 2013.06.19 04:28:00 - [150] - Quote Planetside2 Bomber wrote: Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year Insane Infantry Push Amazing Night Battle Night to Day Canyon Battle Intense Field Battle Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Factions Explained What is planetside 2



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