DUST Search - CCP updates on aiming problem?

CCP Mintchip wrote:

Canari Elphus wrote:

Urg, I know MintChip is new so there is a little slack available. Please understand that people are calling not for more talk but for substantive timeline updates.

We dont need an exact date and time that something will be implemented but a frame of reference would go a long way.

Examples:
Fix will release with 1.2
Fix will not release with 1.2 but should be available by end of July.
Fix will be in the next update after 1.2 which should be around a month later.

Working on it is basically the same as SOONGäó

This isn't what the original question of the topic asked, but I understand what you want. However, I can't give you anything specific in terms of dates because we want to make sure it's an actual fix which takes time. If I tell you something specific, and it doesn't happen - then it's just a lie. I don't want to lie.

Aiming fixes aren't coming in 1.2, but we're looking to get them out soon after (as in 1.3 or later). There will be gun balancing in 1.2 and we look forward to your feedback on that.

CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip
Dust 514 Community Rep

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Aliakin Koreck Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.20 05:35:00 - [181] - Quote Sux we must wait till 1.3 Months away
dustwaffle Ill Omens EoN. 84	Posted - 2013.06.20 10:10:00 - [182] - Quote 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4q wrote: CCP Mintchip: Please don't give us the usual "we are working on it" because OF COURSE you are working on it. What we want are informative updates. Level of progress. ETA. Things that can let us keep track of CCP. Now stop being a "say something to silence the crowd" community manager and actually communicate something useful. Thanks. CCP says nothing: whine that CCP should at least give some acknowledgment CCP tells you they are working on something: Whine that there's no ETA CCP explains why there is no ETA: Whine about that Next topic of whinage? The usual ones have been run dry now.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 178	Posted - 2013.06.20 10:15:00 - [183] - Quote You don-¦t need to fix something that is not broken.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 178	Posted - 2013.06.20 10:23:00 - [184] - Quote Shadow heat wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You don-¦t need to fix something that is not broken. Let me guess, you using a heavy with a HMG, and the DS3. "Spray & Pray" weapons don't need "aiming", but sadly all the other weapons do. Let me guess. You are 10 years old? Most people here know already that I normally run around in My Dragonfly Scout suit using my Blueprint Drop UpLink & Assault rifle.. So no. I-¦m not using a "heavy with a HMG, and the DS3. "Spray & Pray" weapons".
Shadow heat Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 63	Posted - 2013.06.20 10:27:00 - [185] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Shadow heat wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You don-¦t need to fix something that is not broken. Let me guess, you using a heavy with a HMG, and the DS3. "Spray & Pray" weapons don't need "aiming", but sadly all the other weapons do. Let me guess. You are 10 years old? No, I don't use a toy weapons like the HMG, i use a mans weapon. Weapons that takes some "skills" to use.
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 58	Posted - 2013.06.20 10:33:00 - [186] - Quote Shadow heat wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Shadow heat wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You don-¦t need to fix something that is not broken. Let me guess, you using a heavy with a HMG, and the DS3. "Spray & Pray" weapons don't need "aiming", but sadly all the other weapons do. Let me guess. You are 10 years old? No, I don't use toy weapons like the HMG, i use a mans weapon. Weapons that takes some "skills" to use. A real man doesn't need a firearm. A real man can kill a grizzly bear with his bare hands (and maybe a large stick or a rock). (btw, it's a video game, technically, they're ALL toy weapons. In fact, the whole damn thing is a toy!)
JonnyAugust Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 262	Posted - 2013.06.20 11:12:00 - [187] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Shadow heat wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You don-¦t need to fix something that is not broken. Let me guess, you using a heavy with a HMG, and the DS3. "Spray & Pray" weapons don't need "aiming", but sadly all the other weapons do. Let me guess. You are 10 years old? Most people here know already that I normally run around in My Dragonfly Scout suit using my Blueprint Drop UpLink & Assault rifle.. So no. I-¦m not using a "heavy with a HMG, and the DS3. "Spray & Pray" weapons". You use standard and militia gear? The game has been out for 6 months , if you're not using protogear you have a skill deficiency. Using the suit that comes with a merc pack is kinda embarrassing for you. And no, people don't know you around here. I wish there were minimum kdr and time played requirements for the forums for critiquing weapon mechanics
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission 1452	Posted - 2013.06.20 12:13:00 - [188] - Quote Acezero 44 wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: i still don't understand what the hell people are talking about aiming turn aim assist off and the game will work fine ok =) the rest is just skill get it. I really dont understand how you can not feel the difference in the aim mechanics from last build. Aim assist off or on...sensitivity tweaked or not...the mechanic is ****. Most of the people that I know that can actually shoot and shoot well have issues with the new aim system. You're trying to say they dont have skill? I find that very funny this thread is so full of junk, but I guess ill quote this one,. The Aim is not like other game, it has acceleration,. The Aim can slingshot, Guns get stiff on full triggers going from hip to ads on a full trigger is,. well,.. its ,. just trigger the dam gun.. Its hard, its new, its not broken,. deal with it, I see players 100x better then me out there. I just see connection Issues. why? cus the aim works fine 70% of the time,. AND I'm high,. yep It's broken...period. It was fine last build until Uprising **** it up. Although hit detection was a little problem.....ads & hip fire was fine. You guys keep telling people to deal with a broken mechanic. We dont have to and if we decide not to tolerate it anymore, dust's playerbase will be nothing.
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 Kinsho Swords Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.20 13:09:00 - [189] - Quote Guys, what if CCP knows something we don't? What if they are expecting to migrate to PS4 anyways so they don't wanna do unnecessary performance tweaks? What if Dust's code is written for PS4 and the PS3 version is actually a ported version (hence the broken controls)? Or am I being wishful and is overestimating CCP

CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 24237	Posted - 2013.06.20 13:15:00 - [190] - Quote NO! Don't start working weekends! That would make the rest of us look lazy... :(



CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 24237	Posted - 2013.06.20 13:15:00 - [191] - Quote Or if you do just don't post on the forums. :P

Fry Carson Codex Troopers 0	Posted - 2013.06.20 13:22:00 - [192] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: ... This isn't what the original question of the topic asked, but I understand what you want. However, I can't give you anything specific in terms of dates because we want to make sure it's an actual fix which takes time. If I tell you something specific, and it doesn't happen - then it's just a lie. I don't want to lie. Aiming fixes aren't coming in 1.2, but we're looking to get them out soon after (as in 1.3 or later). There will be gun balancing in 1.2 and we look forward to your feedback on that. CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep Not that it matters, but this is why I'm deleting Dust until aiming is adjusted. I hope at some point CCP is able to turn this into the game they envisioned and promoted it as.
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 Kinsho Swords Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.20 13:22:00 - [193] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: NO! Don't start working weekends! That would make the rest of us look lazy... :( CCP FoxFour wrote: Or if you do just don't post on the forums. :P Fire this guy. He is the reason we still can't have aiming in this FPS game
dustwaffle Ill Omens EoN. 86	Posted - 2013.06.20 13:24:00 - [194] - Quote 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: NO! Don't start working weekends! That would make the rest of us look lazy... :( CCP FoxFour wrote: Or if you do just don't post on the forums. :P Fire this guy. He is the reason we still can't have aiming in this FPS game lolumadbro
dustwaffle Ill Omens EoN. 86	Posted - 2013.06.20 13:25:00 - [195] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: NO! Don't start working weekends! That would make the rest of us look lazy... :( CCP FoxFour wrote: Or if you do just don't post on the forums. :P SHameless 'likes' farming with double posting Have both my likes +2
dustwaffle Ill Omens EoN. 86	Posted - 2013.06.20 13:26:00 - [196] - Quote Fry Carson wrote: Not that it matters, but this is why I'm deleting Dust until aiming is adjusted. I hope at some point CCP is able to turn this into the game they envisioned and promoted it as. What would the 'this is why' be, specifically? Also, delete your character while you're at it.
dustwaffle Ill Omens EoN. 86	Posted - 2013.06.20 13:31:00 - [197] - Quote 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote: Guys, what if CCP knows something we don't? What if they are expecting to migrate to PS4 anyways so they don't wanna do unnecessary performance tweaks? What if Dust's code is written for PS4 and the PS3 version is actually a ported version (hence the broken controls)? Or am I being wishful and is overestimating CCP IIRC, I read somewhere (no link, sorry) that the Carbon engine, used in EVE, was written by CCP and originally planned for use in Dust as well. However, given the limitations of the PS3, they had to port over to the Unreal engine, resulting in various glitches and bugs etc. Hence why I'm not particularly fussed, since I also recall someone saying that since the PS4 has an architecture closer to a PC, they would be able to use the Carbon engine. What this means for cross platform (between PS3 and PS4) play, I have no idea. Don't quote me though
Fry Carson Codex Troopers 0	Posted - 2013.06.20 13:56:00 - [198] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Fry Carson wrote: Not that it matters, but this is why I'm deleting Dust until aiming is adjusted. I hope at some point CCP is able to turn this into the game they envisioned and promoted it as. What would the 'this is why' be, specifically? If you had read what I had quoted from MintChip you should have been able to infer that it is due to aiming mechanics not being fixed in the foreseeable future. There are other missing components of the Dust experience, but the broken aiming and hit detection mechanics make playing an exercise in frustration. dustwaffle wrote: Also, delete your character while you're at it. Why would I delete my character in a game with passive SP accrual when I hope that the issues I have with the game mechanics can, and will, be fixed in the future. With only a hope that the core mechanics of a first person shooter will be implemented in a 2-3 month time-frame (if future updates continue at the current pace) at the earliest, it doesn't make sense, to me, to waste HDD space on a game that is not fun to play with the current issues with the primary game mechanics. TL;DR: Deleting game to free up space until fundamental aspects of a FPS are implemented. Not deleting character as I expect the game to be fixed in the future, and passive SP accrual means if/when that occurs I would be better off than restarting from scratch.
NAV HIV The Generals EoN. 234	Posted - 2013.06.20 14:11:00 - [199] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Urg, I know MintChip is new so there is a little slack available. Please understand that people are calling not for more talk but for substantive timeline updates. We dont need an exact date and time that something will be implemented but a frame of reference would go a long way. Examples: Fix will release with 1.2 Fix will not release with 1.2 but should be available by end of July. Fix will be in the next update after 1.2 which should be around a month later. Working on it is basically the same as SOONGäó This isn't what the original question of the topic asked, but I understand what you want. However, I can't give you anything specific in terms of dates because we want to make sure it's an actual fix which takes time. If I tell you something specific, and it doesn't happen - then it's just a lie. I don't want to lie. Aiming fixes aren't coming in 1.2, but we're looking to get them out soon after (as in 1.3 or later). There will be gun balancing in 1.2 and we look forward to your feedback on that. CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep Gun Blancing? Did you say "Balance"... Would be interesting to see which one would make it to the new QQ threads.
GVGMODE GVGMODE. 10	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:42:00 - [200] - Quote 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote: Guys, what if CCP knows something we don't? What if they are expecting to migrate to PS4 anyways so they don't wanna do unnecessary performance tweaks? What if Dust's code is written for PS4 and the PS3 version is actually a ported version (hence the broken controls)? Or am I being wishful and is overestimating CCP There are some miracles God can't make and fixing Dust is one ...

Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 201	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:59:00 - [201] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Guys, when things get done they get shipped, you wouldn't want to rush things that's what screwed up mouse aiming severely last time. .... mouse aiming was fine in Chromosome. They ****** it up in Uprising. There is no last time here. CCP. Revert your aiming system back to Chromosome, then work from there. This aiming system is beyond pissing me off now. Potential is not enough to keep people in this game.
Hendaw Quafe Runners 7	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:10:00 - [202] - Quote Just saying, I am available for contract work. Gen3 and Gen4 console experience. Rate negotiable. Bugfix rate of 1.2 A and S bugs per 8 hour workday. Gimmie a ring.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 92	Posted - 2013.06.20 19:01:00 - [203] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Firstly, dude your obsession with me is quite flattering. Secondly, I just asked my wing man Ace-Killer if he had ever you either... what a surprise. I agree, I am not the best jet pilot, but I was good enough to be a starter pilot on vCx, ID, and 6FU. You were #1 for over a year in a scout heli, yet never in TaO or QxD. I'm sure you're really good at what you do, but how does using a heli translate into Gungame. Better yet how does Jet skill translate into Gungame. This what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get by buddy to set up private sever and we can go 1v1. Just add me. Wow, Reggy went full tard. We could have had some fun with this but no, you had to get your panties in a twist. So because your pilot friend doesn't know who scout pilots are that means what? Funny that you bring up TaO and QxD(dN). Both teams have the same problem. complete tools for leaders. Smot is a complete fool, and Mickeloof can't keep his mouth shut when he gets owned. Funny enough, both of them played the same card you just did. "Oh you're the best in the world at something, well then come and play me at my game and we will see how it goes." So how would we 1 v 1? You in a jet vs me in a scout on Death Valley? That wouldn't even be interesting, unless you are going to jump out and try to cap flags. Then you would get gunned up. After you would cry some more about how it wasn't fair, and I spent the map flying 1 metre of the ground and you couldn't even get at me with your jet cannon. No, what you want is a fight in your alleged area of expertise as if that would somehow invalidate what I have said. It would not. So thanks for being a spoiled brat about it. I thought I was all out of laughs for you.
Orion Vahid DUST University Ivy League 26	Posted - 2013.06.20 19:27:00 - [204] - Quote Shadow heat wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Shadow heat wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You don-¦t need to fix something that is not broken. Let me guess, you using a heavy with a HMG, and the DS3. "Spray & Pray" weapons don't need "aiming", but sadly all the other weapons do. Let me guess. You are 10 years old? No, I don't use toy weapons like the HMG, i use a mans weapon. Weapons that takes some "skills" to use. and what exactly takes "skill"? TAR? lol.
October SnowFox Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 29	Posted - 2013.06.20 19:32:00 - [205] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: Hey you! Yep! Aiming is being worked on as we speak, the game developers are slaving tirelessly so that you can accurately blow your opponent's clone away! CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=81508
PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.06.21 20:34:00 - [206] - Quote Too bad the #1 request has not been fixed going on 2 months.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 698	Posted - 2013.06.21 20:41:00 - [207] - Quote PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4 wrote: Too bad the #1 request has not been fixed going on 2 months. Gee, maybe if someone would mention it on the forums or something... I'm sure nobody has bothered to complain or anything. If only somebody could ****post for a while in a childish attempt to get the attention their parents don't give them (judging by those with open microphones with kids screaming in the background).
D legendary hero One-Armed Bandits 219	Posted - 2013.06.22 03:15:00 - [208] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Shadow heat wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: You don-¦t need to fix something that is not broken. Let me guess, you using a heavy with a HMG, and the DS3. "Spray & Pray" weapons don't need "aiming", but sadly all the other weapons do. Let me guess. You are 10 years old? Most people here know already that I normally run around in My Dragonfly Scout suit using my Blueprint Drop UpLink & Assault rifle.. So no. I-¦m not using a "heavy with a HMG, and the DS3. "Spray & Pray" weapons". You use standard and militia gear? The game has been out for 6 months , if you're not using protogear you have a skill deficiency. Using the suit that comes with a merc pack is kinda embarrassing for you. And no, people don't know you around here. I wish there were minimum kdr and time played requirements for the forums for critiquing weapon mechanics actually its kinda embarassing to get killed by someone in militia gear while your wearing proto...lol
Davey Newcome Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.23 00:06:00 - [209] - Quote I thought they were Optimizing the game the last 7 weeks. What were they doing?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6009	Posted - 2013.07.12 17:06:00 - [210] - Quote I have been talking with CCP Wolfman who has been doing testing and reiterating on the aiming fixes for all controllers progress is going very well for the aiming fixes and , however 1.3 is already locked so it won't be in for the end of July patch either.



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