As far as instant improvement, wouldn't the framerate be smoother? Like, a lot smoother?

As far as instant improvement, wouldn't the framerate be smoother? Like, a lot smoother?

It still won't solve the other complaints about lag, hit detection and the sorts and the myriad of core, mantle and shell improvements needed and the process of getting closer to a more complete game.

Everything that Dust releases has to work within the confines of the PS3 architecture. This limits map sizes, textures, models, and so on. So, assuming they optimize it to be smooth on the PS3, it wouldn't be better in most ways you can think of on the PS4 if ported as-is.

It still won't solve the other complaints about lag, hit detection and the sorts and the myriad of core, mantle and shell improvements needed and the process of getting closer to a more complete game.

But it does give the dev's a lot more room and power to work with. Because Dust already pushes the PS3 to its limits.

So if it goes to PS4 they will have an easier time working on it.

CCP had to have known that the PS4 would be coming soon. This game should've been a beta on PS3 and finally fully released on PS4.

So there are people on this forum who can see the future? Awesome! No wait..

Sabanes magic wand.

The PS3 Controller turns into a PS4 one, and the console that its attached/slaved to turns into a PS4.

Dust 514 still on screen in front of you as it is today.

(and no this does not confirm anything but instead shows you where focus is more needed)

If this released on PS4, DUST would be dead in a month. Opening up to the nextgen market would be the worst thing for DUST. Keep the market tight, if anything tighten the market more and move DUST from ps3 to ps vita exclusive. Cuz then less people would know how terrible it is and it might get more sympathy for being a VITA title.

If this released on PS4, DUST would be dead in a month. Opening up to the nextgen market would be the worst thing for DUST. Keep the market tight, if anything tighten the market more and move DUST from ps3 to ps vita exclusive. Cuz then less people would know how terrible it is and it might get more sympathy for being a VITA title.

Depends... could they bring the carbon engine to the PS4? If so.. sounds like they could spend a lot more time developing and testing content than trying optimize for UE3 on the PS3.

After playing this game for the last 5 months, the biggest impression I get is that either:

a) The PS3 just cannot handle this game the way its meant to be played, and the game will always be of poor quality while its on this console.

or

b) The dev team can't figure out how to code for the cell architecture (common complaint by a lot of devs, and why PS4 will be x86)

The FPS, even on its good days, is still sub-30 and makes the input lag horrendous for any sort of competitive play. It clear they can't get this game to work, either through inexperience with the platform or the platform's inability to perform.

If they brought it immediately to the PS4 and killed the PS3 client, would 90% of us jump over? No I doubt 90% of dust's current playerbase will buy a ps3. But, their play numbers will be much higher.

The amount of people that will play this on the PS4 >> the amount of people that will play this on the PS3 after PS4's launch. This is only conjecture of course, but I think we all see the writing on the wall.

But its also already has competition on the PS4 as the end is nigh the great PS2 cometh crowd is all to happy to remind us daily. It will remain the only F2P FPS on the PS3 though, but it still needs to get a lot closer to what they have promised us.

You seem disillusioned today IWS, welcome to the club, we have cookies and punch.

These issues with the PS3 holding back gameplay improvements and (I assume) player count in matches are another reason why CCP has to give more connectivity and dare I use the term metagame because if people are to be believed (which they probably shouldn't) the gameplay fixes aren't going to be able to happen in sufficient quantity or time to fix Uprising. Thus if they want to keep us, the pitchfork toting and torch waving masses, interested in this game they have to give reasons to play that are less gameplay intensive.

Open a player market, turn on ISK transfer from Eve-Dust (and vice versa I suppose, but I hear the eggers make easy cash fast), and remove MCC orbitals from PC battles are what I suggest short term. I'm no developer so I don't know how much programming is involved in these things, but if they don't have the first couple done or close to at this point they are complete liars anyhow because these are the basics or a "connected universe".

They are not going to compete with actual AAA shooters in gameplay or graphics anytime soon at this point, but they don't have to if they give other reasons to keep playing especially being free-to-play.

L2R, As long as the PS3 client exists there is no advantages given to the ps4 version that the ps3 can enjoy other than higher graphics, but things like destructible environments or massive player counts or newer physics cannot be implemented because both the PS3 and PS4 versions of Dust 514 must be signing the same tune.

I don't know why they would have to sing the same tune. Lets get realistic here. If they want Dust in 10 years, then it will be a PS4 game. Why should they waste their time and effort developing the same game PS3/PS4 when they could just segregate. its already known that Planetside 2 PS4 players will not be able to play with PC players. All CCP has to do is divide up the game for PS3 and PS4 players and its the same thing. PS3 can have factional warfare while CCP works on PC for PS4. Then when its time to phase the PS3 out you already have working code and advanced based for the PS4 and not a bunch of old junk code.

We see this all the time in EVE, they talk about old junk code that no one wants to touch, why are they doing the same thing now?

As far as instant improvement, wouldn't the framerate be smoother? Like, a lot smoother?

Same Universe, we don't divide our player base. If there was an Xbox 360, PC and PS3, PS4 and Xbox One Versions of Dust 514, they all must be signing the same tune.

That's not a true statement at all. EVE uses the Trinity Engine and Dust uses the Unreal engine, two totally different games and engines, same universe. We are already segregated, EVE in Space, Dust on the ground, Why not Dust PS3 in High Sec and Dust PS4 in Low sec and Null Sec. Since they can already get 2 seperate engines to interact, I don't see why there should be some amazing problem at getting 3 engines to interact.

Carbon RESTful API is the only sheet music both Eve and Dust 514 has to sing together, but all versions of Eve (linux, PC, MAC) and all theoretical versions of Dust 514 (PC, PS3, PS4, X360, XBONE, OUYA, Steambox ect. ect.) must be singing their own singular tune.

Cuz then less people would know how terrible it is.

Cuz then less people would know how terrible it is.

It still won't solve the other complaints about lag, hit detection and the sorts and the myriad of core, mantle and shell improvements needed and the process of getting closer to a more complete game.

it wont......not if ccp dumb enough to just port it and not have an upgraded UE4 DUST running

I really can't comprehend why CCP don't want to push it to the PS4 yet. Unreal engine 4 is coming out which is easier than ever to develop on and much more powerful along with a console that is easier to develop on aswell that does not have the boundaries PS3 has. CCP will not have to worry about clogging up the RAM of the console, pushing the graphics too much or making the processor burn out because the PS4 will be able to handle them. I don't think the devs are wasting time developing for the PS3 atm but if a year has passed and it's not ported over the playerbase will tremendously drop and it will end up being, at best, lower than 1k players on a daily basis UNLESS the devs roll up their sleeves and make this summer full of content that isn't dissapointing us.

You do know that ppl will keep ther PS3 just for DUST and use the PS4 for other next gen games

Lol at title.

Being on PS4 or PS5 won't save Dust. Nothing will save Dust.

You expect people to choose this game over the likes of Planetside 2 or Destiny?

Choppy slideshow graphics / lag / aiming is f--ked / need to wait 10 years to fix

vs

Proper AAA title by larger and experienced game studios with none of the above problems?

lol you are just a little kitten aren-¦t you?

Why are you here crying over a dead game? Time for you to move on to a new one?

CCP had to have known that the PS4 would be coming soon. This game should've been a beta on PS3 and finally fully released on PS4.

I have a PS3 and a PS4.

It's so difficult to choose which to play!

You do know that ppl will keep ther PS3 just for DUST and use the PS4 for other next gen games

You do know that ppl will keep ther PS3 just for DUST and use the PS4 for other next gen games

The original engine was melting high end gaming pcs. It could probably melt the ps4 as well. The world of darkness team is still working on fixing that engine, if i remember right.

They can't change game mechanics for ps4, graphics can look nicer, screens load faster, and better frame per second.
The players on field, draw distance, map size have to match so ps4 and ps3 can share the battlefield.

Years from now when ps3 population has almost all migrated, ps3 support can be dropped. Then there will a sudden jump in player cap and map size at same time since ps3 is no longer holding it back when this happens.

I think ps4 release time is about when the pve mode is due, this will probably do more to raise player base numbers then the ps4 release.

Personally, I don't plan on buying a ps4 for few years, the games they have shown I wouldn't pay full price for. I'll get a ps4 after the price drops and get killzone shadow fall and second son out of a bvargin bin for $20. While both franchises are good I have always waited till they were year or two old before buying them. On other hand if dust or boarderlands was only going to be on ps4, I would want to set money aside asap.

Looking back, the first call of duty was not a huge release, it took few sequels to gain player base. Dust after a year of expanions would change as much a one call of duty to the next. So, I could see people that didn't like dust when they tried it coming back a year later after a new expansion. Same way people that didn't care for first call of duty bought later ones that were more popular.

Dust is also based on a better model with more potential, so when the broken stuff is finally fixed and more content added it should be a better game. This may be a few years out at current speed, but if an add campaign was run at that time it would have same chance as it had with those features at launch. Many will assume it is sequel, since that is more common then making major changes in an expansion. For example. Dust514: Mordu's Trials and DUST514: Uprising sound like two games in a franchise more then a closed beta and release build.

Depends... could they bring the carbon engine to the PS4? If so.. sounds like they could spend a lot more time developing and testing content than trying optimize for UE3 on the PS3.

After playing this game for the last 5 months, the biggest impression I get is that either:

a) The PS3 just cannot handle this game the way its meant to be played, and the game will always be of poor quality while its on this console.

or

b) The dev team can't figure out how to code for the cell architecture (common complaint by a lot of devs, and why PS4 will be x86)

The FPS, even on its good days, is still sub-30 and makes the input lag horrendous for any sort of competitive play. It clear they can't get this game to work, either through inexperience with the platform or the platform's inability to perform.

If they brought it immediately to the PS4 and killed the PS3 client, would 90% of us jump over? No I doubt 90% of dust's current playerbase will buy a ps3. But, their play numbers will be much higher.

The amount of people that will play this on the PS4 >> the amount of people that will play this on the PS3 after PS4's launch. This is only conjecture of course, but I think we all see the writing on the wall.

People are also missing the fact that the ps4 being released, doesn't mean all the ps3's will suddenly implode. Dust WILL be the best FPS on ps3, and that is why Dust is a niche game. Because it's being aimed at the ps3 faithful.

Just to put that in perspective, the only other ps3 exclusive still to come that will be have constant development is Gran Turismo 6. Remember Sony understand the value in supporting their older products.

It's an interesting way to go about things, but IMHO is extremely smart on CCPs behalf. CCP obviously knew, and admitted that it's their first FPS. Read between the lines.

"we will bring you an FPS, but it won't be on par with the best shooters on the market. But we will support it and develop it until it IS on par. Once we know what we're doing, we can move onto Unreal4, on the PS4."

The problem was hype and the "AAA shooter" claim. I'm fairly certain that Dust will improve, and eventually be good enough to fight in the big league.

You seem disillusioned today IWS, welcome to the club, we have cookies and punch.

These issues with the PS3 holding back gameplay improvements and (I assume) player count in matches are another reason why CCP has to give more connectivity and dare I use the term metagame because if people are to be believed (which they probably shouldn't) the gameplay fixes aren't going to be able to happen in sufficient quantity or time to fix Uprising. Thus if they want to keep us, the pitchfork toting and torch waving masses, interested in this game they have to give reasons to play that are less gameplay intensive.

Open a player market, turn on ISK transfer from Eve-Dust (and vice versa I suppose, but I hear the eggers make easy cash fast), and remove MCC orbitals from PC battles are what I suggest short term. I'm no developer so I don't know how much programming is involved in these things, but if they don't have the first couple done or close to at this point they are complete liars anyhow because these are the basics or a "connected universe".

They are not going to compete with actual AAA shooters in gameplay or graphics anytime soon at this point, but they don't have to if they give other reasons to keep playing especially being free-to-play.

People are also missing the fact that the ps4 being released, doesn't mean all the ps3's will suddenly implode. Dust WILL be the best FPS on ps3, and that is why Dust is a niche game. Because it's being aimed at the ps3 faithful.

LOL

All I gotta say to you... and you're a CPM?

This game has major technical limitations that keep it from realizing it's true potential. Upgrade the hardware and the rest will fall into place in time.

Trolling from a CPM... wonderful.

Actually I was being very critical of current game design. Throwing this game on the PS4 is not going to fix the core, supersizing graphics, higher FPS and the sorts are not I repeat not going to magically create this game into a must play game on the ps4.

A game of any graphical quality level or platform should be fun regardless. Yes some platforms are going to be very powerful and allow for things to be more grandiose, however if the game isn't fun it isnt fun no matter if its a playstation 10 or not.

For example here are a few fun games I can see remaining fun while being reduced to 2d and 24 bit graphics.

Portal
Mirrors Edge
Warhammer 40k strategy games.
Homeworld
and numerous others.

/me waves magic wand.

The PS3 Controller turns into a PS4 one, and the console that its attached/slaved to turns into a PS4.

Dust 514 still on screen in front of you as it is today.

(and no this does not confirm anything but instead shows you where focus is more needed)

This game has major, major FPS issues and problems with aiming stem from this partially.

Better hardware and social networks will allow CCP to accomplish a hell of a lot more than what they have right now.

I cannot aim with my mouse half the time right now because FPS drops are constant on bigger maps. That can be solved with better hardware backbones.

Don't tell me gameplay won't be helped from that. If you don't understand that better framerates are essential for any good FPS, I fear for the future of Dust.

This game has major, major FPS issues and problems with aiming stem from this partially.

Actually I was being very critical of current game design. Throwing this game on the PS4 is not going to fix the core, supersizing graphics, higher FPS and the sorts are not I repeat not going to magically create this game into a must play game on the ps4.

A game of any graphical quality level or platform should be fun regardless. Yes some platforms are going to be very powerful and allow for things to be more grandiose, however if the game isn't fun it isnt fun no matter if its a playstation 10 or not.

For example here are a few fun games I can see remaining fun while being reduced to 2d and 24 bit graphics.

Portal
Mirrors Edge
Warhammer 40k strategy games.
Homeworld
and numerous others.

major,major?

I think it is you with major problems dude.

I know aiming in this game takes getting used to. You might even need some skills. I understand this is not for everyone but blaming CCP for your own lack of skills is out of order.

Okay let me reverse the whole argument a bit.

If a game company cannot make a good game on the nintendo what chances are they going to be making a good game on the super nintendo?

Bottom Line

CCP needs to learn how to make a good shooter first. First and foremost, we can worry about PS4 later.

Tell you what guys, if the whole lot of you (like 95-99%+) swap over to the ps4 quickly it may get CCP to shift gears to get the ps3 client killed.

Okay let me reverse the whole argument a bit.

If a game company cannot make a good game on the nintendo what chances are they going to be making a good game on the super nintendo?

Bottom Line

CCP needs to learn how to make a good shooter first. First and foremost, we can worry about PS4 later.

(Are we really still talking about this? Talking about how aiming works in an FPS game, in 2013? This is beyond hopeless)

Its like playing Grand Theft Auto 4, the driving in that game was Terrible. How can we have awesome games like GT and Forza and then someone puts out a crappy game that takes all the stuff we as a race have learned and throws it out the window. Do people not understand the concept of building on success?

Okay let me reverse the whole argument a bit.

If a game company cannot make a good game on the nintendo what chances are they going to be making a good game on the super nintendo?

Bottom Line

CCP needs to learn how to make a good shooter first. First and foremost, we can worry about PS4 later.

Okay let me reverse the whole argument a bit.

If a game company cannot make a good game on the nintendo what chances are they going to be making a good game on the super nintendo?

Bottom Line

CCP needs to learn how to make a good shooter first. First and foremost, we can worry about PS4 later.

Iron Wolf, if your the caliber of CPM members we have.. lord save us.

Your meant to have a point of contact with CCP and can give your 'whinges' directly to them.

If you see a problem, then dont just moan about it, come up with a constructive critisizm and give details and justification.


.... Seriously worried about the future of Dust seeing such crap posted by someone who is meant to represent the community.

(And no this is not a troll.. this is the honest truth... because i don't give a damn about any drama.. i just want to see the game do well.)

Also Iron Wolf.. i'm a professional game developer myself. I know that i appreciate it when people spot problems and give me details and possible solutions with justifications for them too.. as then if someone has a better outlook than myself, i can consider the better idea and improve the game as a result. Do this for CCP.. Use your contacts and make the points heard.. and give 'details' and 'justifications' ... not just pointless whinges. As that's the kind of thing we generally ignore.

Seriously did you just smash your head repeatedly against your keyboard and happen to write this collection of words or did you really think about this before posting?

Jesus your a CPM, act like one

Just to play devil's advocate, if CCP was one of those 'build on success' companies, EVE would be a lot more like WOW, and the current playerbase of EVE would not be playing it.

He is not your intern and he is not going to figure out stuff for you. That is YOUR job to make a good game, not the players. If you don't know what to do or what sort of standard you should be meeting, you should go fistburger youself.

CCP already knows what sort of problem they have (aka the AIMING) and it is up to them to fix it or not.

It is really the basics of basics of an FPS. To be able to aim. If you can't get that right... I don't know what else I can tell you to help you "fix it".

I am sorry but even a computer at ps4 levels can be brought down to an awful 10 frames a second because of a bug or bad code.

major,major?

I think it is you with major problems dude.

I know aiming in this game takes getting used to. You might even need some skills. I understand this is not for everyone but blaming CCP for your own lack of skills is out of order.

Also Iron Wolf.. i'm a professional game developer myself. I know that i appreciate it when people spot problems and give me details and possible solutions with justifications for them too.. as then if someone has a better outlook than myself, i can consider the better idea and improve the game as a result..

I am not arguing against porting over to the PS4 I am arguing which should be a higher focus.

Fixing the game or porting as is.

i would assume porting it over would entail fixes since u actually not just copy and pasting since ur changing engines and updating everything................

but hey.......**** logic right? seems to be the CPM thing

Ahhh, looks like you have made it past some of your fanboi road blocks and are coming out of that CCP fantasy world of yours a little.

So now that we have you this far lets keep this train rolling and how bout you let CCP know this ^.

Release day consoles usually have better built qualities because companies often cheapen their materials later on when they finds out how. (See PS3)

/me waves magic wand.

The PS3 Controller turns into a PS4 one, and the console that its attached/slaved to turns into a PS4.

Dust 514 still on screen in front of you as it is today.

(and no this does not confirm anything but instead shows you where focus is more needed)

8 gigs of ram and a monster GFX card.....

Yeah i don't know about saving DUST but with the kinds of frame fates one could achieve even with CCPs cruddy attempt at fps would be pretty damn awesome.

Quake 3 would be epically better on PS4 why wouldn't Dust be as well?

This is the other factor, the ps4 version must be a 'similar' game so that when a ps3 player and ps4 player can play together on the same field.

Now then asking to kill off the ps3 client in favor of a native ps4 one... that is a different argument with much more meat behind it.

It would have to completely move to the PS4 though, they would have to uninstalled the ps3 player base entirely.

Tell you what guys, if the whole lot of you (like 95-99%+) swap over to the ps4 quickly it may get CCP to shift gears to get the ps3 client killed.

/me waves magic wand.

The PS3 Controller turns into a PS4 one, and the console that its attached/slaved to turns into a PS4.

Dust 514 still on screen in front of you as it is today.

(and no this does not confirm anything but instead shows you where focus is more needed)

Because the bug that was causing horrendous lag rates was bringing eve side participants down to their knees as well and the players involved eve side for the investigation had some beastly computers that would give the PS4 a run for its money.

Feedback appreciated

Here is what I think

So wait....

One bug which is now fixed will keep dust from preforming better on a machine that has at least 10 times the power of a PS3?

Anyway good job moving the goal post of your argument.

You "Dust would be a the same game on a PS4"

Me "the PS4 is super friggin fast and would give the game a higher frame rate. A higher frame rate on the same FPS is a better FPS"

you "eve had a bug"

brilliant.

dust takes 1 step forward while every other game seems to take a titan double leap forward
dust is slowly slowly self titeling and getting out dated by other games that are also coming up with unique things to do

/me waves magic wand.

The PS3 Controller turns into a PS4 one, and the console that its attached/slaved to turns into a PS4.

Dust 514 still on screen in front of you as it is today.

(and no this does not confirm anything but instead shows you where focus is more needed)

Unreal 3 becomes unreal 4, and the INCREDIBLY CAVERNOUS 6gb ram (2gb dedicated to os) becomes a vast unexplored wasteland of possible rendering buffers and opportunity.

the gpu power also makes an enormous upgrade so rendering a **** ton of little things on screen is now a breeze and can be kept at 120+ fps stable at least (probably more like 60fps with some dips)

now; artists are able to create models and spend far less time reducing their polycount so they make it to our screens far faster.

now; level designers can make way more interesting outposts and place them much closer together without risk to causing GPU fires.

[quote=hooc roht][quote=Iron Wolf Saber]

Because the bug that was causing horrendous lag rates was bringing eve side participants down to their knees as well and the players involved eve side for the investigation had some beastly computers that would give the PS4 a run for its money.

[quote=Bubba Brown][quote=Iron Wolf Saber]

Pfft the latest update from planetside 2 did nothing to improve graphics but forced me to downgrade them because my 220gtx x3 sli and 24G DDR3 memory on a iCore 7 can't handle it anymore without hard crashing the computer.

Wow iron wolf really showed his strioes in this one. Planetside 2 even poped up in all that drama.

PS4 dust would actually be playable.

Would dropping every single fix and improvement on the way now to hone the core to make sure this game makes to the PS4 on launch day going to do Dust 514 any good?

Dust 514 on the PS4 on Launch day is a Dead On Arrival if CCP were to drop everything to make Dust 514 available on the PS4 by launch day. .

yes

CCP currently does nothing to fix the backend of an abortion that it calls dust anyway
so I say, go for port to ps4 now rather then later

/me waves magic wand.

The PS3 Controller turns into a PS4 one, and the console that its attached/slaved to turns into a PS4.

Dust 514 still on screen in front of you as it is today.

(and no this does not confirm anything but instead shows you where focus is more needed)

It would have to completely move to the PS4 though, they would have to uninstalled the ps3 player base entirely. Tell you what guys, if the whole lot of you (like 95-99%+) swap over to the ps4 quickly it may get CCP to shift gears to get the ps3 client killed.