The original engine was melting high end gaming pcs. It could probably melt the ps4 as well. The world of darkness team is still working on fixing that engine, if i remember right.

They can't change game mechanics for ps4, graphics can look nicer, screens load faster, and better frame per second.
The players on field, draw distance, map size have to match so ps4 and ps3 can share the battlefield.

Years from now when ps3 population has almost all migrated, ps3 support can be dropped. Then there will a sudden jump in player cap and map size at same time since ps3 is no longer holding it back when this happens.

I think ps4 release time is about when the pve mode is due, this will probably do more to raise player base numbers then the ps4 release.

Personally, I don't plan on buying a ps4 for few years, the games they have shown I wouldn't pay full price for. I'll get a ps4 after the price drops and get killzone shadow fall and second son out of a bvargin bin for $20. While both franchises are good I have always waited till they were year or two old before buying them. On other hand if dust or boarderlands was only going to be on ps4, I would want to set money aside asap.

Looking back, the first call of duty was not a huge release, it took few sequels to gain player base. Dust after a year of expanions would change as much a one call of duty to the next. So, I could see people that didn't like dust when they tried it coming back a year later after a new expansion. Same way people that didn't care for first call of duty bought later ones that were more popular.

Dust is also based on a better model with more potential, so when the broken stuff is finally fixed and more content added it should be a better game. This may be a few years out at current speed, but if an add campaign was run at that time it would have same chance as it had with those features at launch. Many will assume it is sequel, since that is more common then making major changes in an expansion. For example. Dust514: Mordu's Trials and DUST514: Uprising sound like two games in a franchise more then a closed beta and release build.

Depends... could they bring the carbon engine to the PS4? If so.. sounds like they could spend a lot more time developing and testing content than trying optimize for UE3 on the PS3.

After playing this game for the last 5 months, the biggest impression I get is that either:

a) The PS3 just cannot handle this game the way its meant to be played, and the game will always be of poor quality while its on this console.

or

b) The dev team can't figure out how to code for the cell architecture (common complaint by a lot of devs, and why PS4 will be x86)

The FPS, even on its good days, is still sub-30 and makes the input lag horrendous for any sort of competitive play. It clear they can't get this game to work, either through inexperience with the platform or the platform's inability to perform.

If they brought it immediately to the PS4 and killed the PS3 client, would 90% of us jump over? No I doubt 90% of dust's current playerbase will buy a ps3. But, their play numbers will be much higher.

The amount of people that will play this on the PS4 >> the amount of people that will play this on the PS3 after PS4's launch. This is only conjecture of course, but I think we all see the writing on the wall.

People are also missing the fact that the ps4 being released, doesn't mean all the ps3's will suddenly implode. Dust WILL be the best FPS on ps3, and that is why Dust is a niche game. Because it's being aimed at the ps3 faithful.

Just to put that in perspective, the only other ps3 exclusive still to come that will be have constant development is Gran Turismo 6. Remember Sony understand the value in supporting their older products.

It's an interesting way to go about things, but IMHO is extremely smart on CCPs behalf. CCP obviously knew, and admitted that it's their first FPS. Read between the lines.

"we will bring you an FPS, but it won't be on par with the best shooters on the market. But we will support it and develop it until it IS on par. Once we know what we're doing, we can move onto Unreal4, on the PS4."

The problem was hype and the "AAA shooter" claim. I'm fairly certain that Dust will improve, and eventually be good enough to fight in the big league.

You seem disillusioned today IWS, welcome to the club, we have cookies and punch.

These issues with the PS3 holding back gameplay improvements and (I assume) player count in matches are another reason why CCP has to give more connectivity and dare I use the term metagame because if people are to be believed (which they probably shouldn't) the gameplay fixes aren't going to be able to happen in sufficient quantity or time to fix Uprising. Thus if they want to keep us, the pitchfork toting and torch waving masses, interested in this game they have to give reasons to play that are less gameplay intensive.

Open a player market, turn on ISK transfer from Eve-Dust (and vice versa I suppose, but I hear the eggers make easy cash fast), and remove MCC orbitals from PC battles are what I suggest short term. I'm no developer so I don't know how much programming is involved in these things, but if they don't have the first couple done or close to at this point they are complete liars anyhow because these are the basics or a "connected universe".

They are not going to compete with actual AAA shooters in gameplay or graphics anytime soon at this point, but they don't have to if they give other reasons to keep playing especially being free-to-play.

People are also missing the fact that the ps4 being released, doesn't mean all the ps3's will suddenly implode. Dust WILL be the best FPS on ps3, and that is why Dust is a niche game. Because it's being aimed at the ps3 faithful.

LOL

All I gotta say to you... and you're a CPM?

This game has major technical limitations that keep it from realizing it's true potential. Upgrade the hardware and the rest will fall into place in time.

Trolling from a CPM... wonderful.

Actually I was being very critical of current game design. Throwing this game on the PS4 is not going to fix the core, supersizing graphics, higher FPS and the sorts are not I repeat not going to magically create this game into a must play game on the ps4.

A game of any graphical quality level or platform should be fun regardless. Yes some platforms are going to be very powerful and allow for things to be more grandiose, however if the game isn't fun it isnt fun no matter if its a playstation 10 or not.

For example here are a few fun games I can see remaining fun while being reduced to 2d and 24 bit graphics.

Portal
Mirrors Edge
Warhammer 40k strategy games.
Homeworld
and numerous others.

/me waves magic wand.

The PS3 Controller turns into a PS4 one, and the console that its attached/slaved to turns into a PS4.

Dust 514 still on screen in front of you as it is today.

(and no this does not confirm anything but instead shows you where focus is more needed)

This game has major, major FPS issues and problems with aiming stem from this partially.

Better hardware and social networks will allow CCP to accomplish a hell of a lot more than what they have right now.

I cannot aim with my mouse half the time right now because FPS drops are constant on bigger maps. That can be solved with better hardware backbones.

Don't tell me gameplay won't be helped from that. If you don't understand that better framerates are essential for any good FPS, I fear for the future of Dust.

This game has major, major FPS issues and problems with aiming stem from this partially.

Actually I was being very critical of current game design. Throwing this game on the PS4 is not going to fix the core, supersizing graphics, higher FPS and the sorts are not I repeat not going to magically create this game into a must play game on the ps4.

A game of any graphical quality level or platform should be fun regardless. Yes some platforms are going to be very powerful and allow for things to be more grandiose, however if the game isn't fun it isnt fun no matter if its a playstation 10 or not.

For example here are a few fun games I can see remaining fun while being reduced to 2d and 24 bit graphics.

Portal
Mirrors Edge
Warhammer 40k strategy games.
Homeworld
and numerous others.

major,major?

I think it is you with major problems dude.

I know aiming in this game takes getting used to. You might even need some skills. I understand this is not for everyone but blaming CCP for your own lack of skills is out of order.

Okay let me reverse the whole argument a bit.

If a game company cannot make a good game on the nintendo what chances are they going to be making a good game on the super nintendo?

Bottom Line

CCP needs to learn how to make a good shooter first. First and foremost, we can worry about PS4 later.

Tell you what guys, if the whole lot of you (like 95-99%+) swap over to the ps4 quickly it may get CCP to shift gears to get the ps3 client killed.

Okay let me reverse the whole argument a bit.

If a game company cannot make a good game on the nintendo what chances are they going to be making a good game on the super nintendo?

Bottom Line

CCP needs to learn how to make a good shooter first. First and foremost, we can worry about PS4 later.

(Are we really still talking about this? Talking about how aiming works in an FPS game, in 2013? This is beyond hopeless)

Its like playing Grand Theft Auto 4, the driving in that game was Terrible. How can we have awesome games like GT and Forza and then someone puts out a crappy game that takes all the stuff we as a race have learned and throws it out the window. Do people not understand the concept of building on success?

Okay let me reverse the whole argument a bit.

If a game company cannot make a good game on the nintendo what chances are they going to be making a good game on the super nintendo?

Bottom Line

CCP needs to learn how to make a good shooter first. First and foremost, we can worry about PS4 later.

Okay let me reverse the whole argument a bit.

If a game company cannot make a good game on the nintendo what chances are they going to be making a good game on the super nintendo?

Bottom Line

CCP needs to learn how to make a good shooter first. First and foremost, we can worry about PS4 later.

Iron Wolf, if your the caliber of CPM members we have.. lord save us.

Your meant to have a point of contact with CCP and can give your 'whinges' directly to them.

If you see a problem, then dont just moan about it, come up with a constructive critisizm and give details and justification.


.... Seriously worried about the future of Dust seeing such crap posted by someone who is meant to represent the community.

(And no this is not a troll.. this is the honest truth... because i don't give a damn about any drama.. i just want to see the game do well.)

Also Iron Wolf.. i'm a professional game developer myself. I know that i appreciate it when people spot problems and give me details and possible solutions with justifications for them too.. as then if someone has a better outlook than myself, i can consider the better idea and improve the game as a result. Do this for CCP.. Use your contacts and make the points heard.. and give 'details' and 'justifications' ... not just pointless whinges. As that's the kind of thing we generally ignore.

Seriously did you just smash your head repeatedly against your keyboard and happen to write this collection of words or did you really think about this before posting?

Jesus your a CPM, act like one

Just to play devil's advocate, if CCP was one of those 'build on success' companies, EVE would be a lot more like WOW, and the current playerbase of EVE would not be playing it.

He is not your intern and he is not going to figure out stuff for you. That is YOUR job to make a good game, not the players. If you don't know what to do or what sort of standard you should be meeting, you should go fistburger youself.

CCP already knows what sort of problem they have (aka the AIMING) and it is up to them to fix it or not.

It is really the basics of basics of an FPS. To be able to aim. If you can't get that right... I don't know what else I can tell you to help you "fix it".